Israel

[andystokey]

Apr 28, 2024 16:55:11 GMT gawa said:

Terrifying encounter. No wonder jewish people are scared to leave the street.

/s

Let's wait and see what the real police make of it.

But I can imagine the uproar of any other religious group set up their own Shomrim style force with uniforms and marked cars with blue lights.

www.thejc.com/news/shomrim-rejects-police-chiefs-claims-over-cars-and-uniforms-ytj519jl

[Paul Spencer]

Let's pray that it doesn't ultimately pan out like this but you would have to be incredibly nieve to be surprised if it does ...

[Eggybread]

Apr 30, 2024 12:44:37 GMT Paul Spencer said:

Let's pray that it doesn't ultimately pan out like this but you would have to be incredibly nieve to be surprised if it does ...

Sounds a pretty good guesstimate of what will happen.

[Paul Spencer]

Land of the free?

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2024 23:48:07 GMT Paul Spencer said:

Land of the free?

I tell you what, that’s a blood awful way to drag someone - hands cuffed behind their back and pulling them along by their wrist.

[andystokey]

Apr 30, 2024 23:54:00 GMT @cvillestokie said:

Apr 30, 2024 23:48:07 GMT Paul Spencer said:

Land of the free?

I tell you what, that’s a blood awful way to drag someone - hands cuffed behind their back and pulling them along by their wrist.

Half of them only join up for this kind of stuff. I expect that bloke eats a couple of dozen burgers on the way home has a drink and smacks his Mrs before bedtime.

[knype]

Perhaps if they had done what was asked of them and moved peacefully and not obstructed officers then it wouldn't have happened.

[deeside2]

There is another side of the story to that shown in previous video above. The situation at many U.S. universities is rapidly getting totally out of control. Many Jewish professors and students are being targeted and told to leave for their own safety, and not come back. Some moronic students are even converting to Islam on campus and mass Islamic prayers are regularly being held on the university grounds. What has converting people to Islam and mass Islamic prayer gatherings got to do with "freeing Palestine" ?

Whether you agree with Tousi's comments or not IMO this is fast becoming far more sinister than simply a protest against Israel and to "free Palestine".

As can be seen towards the end of the video some States are responding and sending in police to deal with the situation. I don't condone violence but something has to be done to try to regain some level of sense and normality.

Over here we've already seen Islamic prayers in Parliament and Downing Street, and many videos showing regular mass prayer gatherings regularly blocking roads (isn't that what mosques are for ?).

Anyone who isn't concerned by this relentless insidious spread of Islam needs to give heir heads a wobble.

Start the video at 01.16

www.youtube.com/live/jpmB7zRDPqI?si=XgpmZikwGTDrABfi 

[mrnovember]

May 1, 2024 6:37:58 GMT deeside2 said:

There is another side of the story to that shown in previous video above. The situation at many U.S. universities is rapidly getting totally out of control. Many Jewish professors and students are being targeted and told to leave for their own safety, and not come back. Some moronic students are even converting to Islam on campus and mass Islamic prayers are regularly being held on the university grounds. What has converting people to Islam and mass Islamic prayer gatherings got to do with "freeing Palestine" ?

IMO this is fast becoming far more sinister than simply a protest against Israel and to "free Palestine".

As can be seen towards the end of the video some States are responding and sending in police to deal with the situation. I don't condone violence but something has to be done to try to regain some level of sense and normality.

Over here we've already seen Islamic prayers in Parliament and Downing Street, and many videos showing regular mass prayer gatherings regularly blocking roads (isn't that what mosques are for ?).

Anyone who isn't concerned by this relentless insidious spread of Islam needs to give heir heads a wobble.

Start the video at 01.16

www.youtube.com/live/jpmB7zRDPqI?si=XgpmZikwGTDrABfi 

That's nothing. Have you not heard about bananas in the liberated zone?

[deeside2]

May 1, 2024 6:39:35 GMT mrnovember said:

May 1, 2024 6:37:58 GMT deeside2 said:

There is another side of the story to that shown in previous video above. The situation at many U.S. universities is rapidly getting totally out of control. Many Jewish professors and students are being targeted and told to leave for their own safety, and not come back. Some moronic students are even converting to Islam on campus and mass Islamic prayers are regularly being held on the university grounds. What has converting people to Islam and mass Islamic prayer gatherings got to do with "freeing Palestine" ?

IMO this is fast becoming far more sinister than simply a protest against Israel and to "free Palestine".

As can be seen towards the end of the video some States are responding and sending in police to deal with the situation. I don't condone violence but something has to be done to try to regain some level of sense and normality.

Over here we've already seen Islamic prayers in Parliament and Downing Street, and many videos showing regular mass prayer gatherings regularly blocking roads (isn't that what mosques are for ?).

Anyone who isn't concerned by this relentless insidious spread of Islam needs to give heir heads a wobble.

Start the video at 01.16

www.youtube.com/live/jpmB7zRDPqI?si=XgpmZikwGTDrABfi 

That's nothing. Have you not heard about bananas in the liberated zone?

I despair. The world has gone mad !

[superjw]

The world has a 1910s feel about it at the moment, the tension is almost palpable and hatred between various groups is rife.

Another world war is inevitable, someone just needs a reason to kick one off. Now that even more money is to be made for certain elites from war, it’s unlikely to be prevented.

Thing is, humans have been almost incapable of living harmoniously throughout history and that’s just the west. It was never going to be that long in history timelines before someone wanted to kick off again - this is that point.

[gawa]

May 1, 2024 6:37:58 GMT deeside2 said:

There is another side of the story to that shown in previous video above. The situation at many U.S. universities is rapidly getting totally out of control. Many Jewish professors and students are being targeted and told to leave for their own safety, and not come back. Some moronic students are even converting to Islam on campus and mass Islamic prayers are regularly being held on the university grounds. What has converting people to Islam and mass Islamic prayer gatherings got to do with "freeing Palestine" ?

Whether you agree with Tousi's comments or not IMO this is fast becoming far more sinister than simply a protest against Israel and to "free Palestine".

As can be seen towards the end of the video some States are responding and sending in police to deal with the situation. I don't condone violence but something has to be done to try to regain some level of sense and normality.

Over here we've already seen Islamic prayers in Parliament and Downing Street, and many videos showing regular mass prayer gatherings regularly blocking roads (isn't that what mosques are for ?).

Anyone who isn't concerned by this relentless insidious spread of Islam needs to give heir heads a wobble.

Start the video at 01.16

www.youtube.com/live/jpmB7zRDPqI?si=XgpmZikwGTDrABfi 

Is it another side of the story though or is it just baseless propoganda? I can see many videos of students and professors doing peaceful demonstrations in universities and being attacked - the last few pages are filled with it. I'm not seeing videos of mass conversion to islam or of mass praying on university grounds. And if people were praying does that mean they can be attacked?

I also find the argument ironic given the people pushing it are the same who were trying to push a narrative that "jewish people don't feel safe and are getting attacked" which 6 months of protests later there is no consistent evidence of. The only evidence is mostly from jewish people or bad actors going to protests (so much for being scared) and trying to incite violence such as Gideon Fawke only a week ago. 

What is ironic though is if "they're praying outside" is now being used as a justification for police brutality because it all sounds a bit 1940s except replacing the jewish religion with islam. If you're identifably muslim it's ok for police to attack you and it's justified. I don't see any palestine protesters suggesting it's ok for the police to use brutality against jewish people - we oppose that. We also oppose brutality against palestine people and orthodox jews in Israel which there are tons of evidence of. 

Even if people were praying though and if that was true. Does being visibly muslim provide a justification for police brutality and attacks? It all sounds a bit 1940s holocaust esque where some people thought being openly jewish was a justification for brutality from the state. 

Simple fact of the matter is that it's peaceful protests against a brutal genocide where 10s of thousands of women and children have been murdered. Jewish people aren't the victims. Youtube commentators aren't the victims. Biden isn't the victim. Labour Mps aren't the victims. Tory Mps aren't the victim. The victims are those being starved and bombed and now those facing police brutality for peacefully protesting. 

The same guy thinks:

SPOILER: Click to show

Biden is anti israel




The world economic forum is part of a conspiracy with palestine




Finds it funny when Israeli comedians mock the west






Says the BBC who pushed fake israel news on hospital attacks, beheaded babies and much more are actually anti israel

So if a guy who has spent the last 6 months mocking the west and pushing Israel propoganda is saying this, I don't believe it. There's a reason why dossers like him and Tommy Robinson live luxury lifestyles but don't have a job. follow the money. 


Above isn't directed at you. When I say "people pushing it" I mean people such as the video author. We've had 6 months of the media, politicians and police attacking peace protestors so this is nothing new. Just the most recent twist to try and paint peaceful protestors as a danger and hate marchers. Literally a copy and paste of what I presume happened to anyone who stood up against the holocaust. Same as what people who fought for equal rights in NI were called. Same as those who thought for black rights were labelled. Same as those who fought apartheid in south africa were labelled. Same as those opposed to Iraq were labelled. Same as those who stand with workers striking get labelled. Same as miners striking in 80s were labelled. Same as gay people have been labelled in the past. Same old generic propoganda from the west when the people stand up against the establishment. 

[gawa]

Please don't take my strong views on this conflict as personal either. Everyone is entitled to believe or not believe whatever they wish.

But just feels like we've went full circle a bit now. After months of being told protests for peace are actually hate marches against jewish people. It's ironic the same commentators now are justifying hate attacks on Muslims because they're identifiable through praying.*

*Again I've not seen evidence of this mass religion conversion. I don't think any of the pro peace posters on here have converted to Islam. I don't know anyone who wants peace and supports Palestine who has personally.

[oggyoggy]

Fucking idiots blocking government buildings, chanting at civil servants, who feel unsafe and in fear just trying to get to work. My wife has been abused by protesters and has been unable to get to work.

Perhaps this shouldn’t be on the Israel thread, but it is pro-Palestine protesters.

Why don’t these idiots target politicians and people with power, rather than civil servants, who, ironically, are under persistent attack and criticism from the same government the protesters are protesting against.

In the past, civil servants have been locked in government buildings due to protests because they have been advised it would be dangerous to leave. It means children aren’t picked up from childcare. It means people can’t return safely to their home.

Protest is fine. But do it in Parliament Square. Don’t direct abuse towards innocent members of the public. Don’t make completely innocent people feel unsafe in going about their business.

[CBUFAWKIPWH]

May 1, 2024 6:37:58 GMT deeside2 said:

There is another side of the story to that shown in previous video above. The situation at many U.S. universities is rapidly getting totally out of control. Many Jewish professors and students are being targeted and told to leave for their own safety, and not come back. Some moronic students are even converting to Islam on campus and mass Islamic prayers are regularly being held on the university grounds. What has converting people to Islam and mass Islamic prayer gatherings got to do with "freeing Palestine" ?

Whether you agree with Tousi's comments or not IMO this is fast becoming far more sinister than simply a protest against Israel and to "free Palestine".

As can be seen towards the end of the video some States are responding and sending in police to deal with the situation. I don't condone violence but something has to be done to try to regain some level of sense and normality.

Over here we've already seen Islamic prayers in Parliament and Downing Street, and many videos showing regular mass prayer gatherings regularly blocking roads (isn't that what mosques are for ?).

Anyone who isn't concerned by this relentless insidious spread of Islam needs to give heir heads a wobble.

Start the video at 01.16

www.youtube.com/live/jpmB7zRDPqI?si=XgpmZikwGTDrABfi 

I've wobbled my head several times and I still don't see how people praying is a threat to civilisation as we know it. Should I try repeatedly banging my head against a brick wall instead?

[gawa]

May 1, 2024 9:37:13 GMT oggyoggy said:

Fucking idiots blocking government buildings, chanting at civil servants, who feel unsafe and in fear just trying to get to work. My wife has been abused by protesters and has been unable to get to work.

Perhaps this shouldn’t be on the Israel thread, but it is pro-Palestine protesters.

Why don’t these idiots target politicians and people with power, rather than civil servants, who, ironically, are under persistent attack and criticism from the same government the protesters are protesting against.

In the past, civil servants have been locked in government buildings due to protests because they have been advised it would be dangerous to leave. It means children aren’t picked up from childcare. It means people can’t return safely to their home.

Protest is fine. But do it in Parliament Square. Don’t direct abuse towards innocent members of the public. Don’t make completely innocent people feel unsafe in going about their business.

10s of thousands of people are dying oggy. Your wife isn't the victim. Your wife is inconvenienced.

Do you have a source or videos? As you've previously told us on here how Israel is the victim based on the experience of your friends living in Israel. So I'd like to see these civil servants being attacked by protestors.

I'd suggest joining the protests and putting pressure on your MP on the situation. There'd be no protests if there was no genocide. I'm sure the 10s of thousands of dead people would rather a protest outside their office than to be in an early grave.

[prestwichpotter]

May 1, 2024 6:37:58 GMT deeside2 said:

There is another side of the story to that shown in previous video above. The situation at many U.S. universities is rapidly getting totally out of control. Many Jewish professors and students are being targeted and told to leave for their own safety, and not come back. Some moronic students are even converting to Islam on campus and mass Islamic prayers are regularly being held on the university grounds. What has converting people to Islam and mass Islamic prayer gatherings got to do with "freeing Palestine" ?

Whether you agree with Tousi's comments or not IMO this is fast becoming far more sinister than simply a protest against Israel and to "free Palestine".

As can be seen towards the end of the video some States are responding and sending in police to deal with the situation. I don't condone violence but something has to be done to try to regain some level of sense and normality.

Over here we've already seen Islamic prayers in Parliament and Downing Street, and many videos showing regular mass prayer gatherings regularly blocking roads (isn't that what mosques are for ?).

Anyone who isn't concerned by this relentless insidious spread of Islam needs to give heir heads a wobble.

Start the video at 01.16

www.youtube.com/live/jpmB7zRDPqI?si=XgpmZikwGTDrABfi 

Yet despite all this thousands upon thousands of Jews in the UK and America feel safe and secure in protesting about the Israeli regime..........

[deeside2]

Thanks for your replies guys - opinions eh ! Good job ( or maybe not in this case) that we're all different. Looks like we'll agree to disagree.

[gawa]

Sangita out Feltz in.

This is why she lost her job:

[gawa]

May 1, 2024 11:13:16 GMT deeside2 said:

Thanks for your replies guys - opinions eh ! Good job ( or maybe not in this case) that we're all different. Looks like we'll agree to disagree.

Opinions are like arseholes, we've all got one. I know my views may be extreme in some eyes but it's what I think.
Your views I don't agree with but it's what you think. Not gonna fall out over it.

At least we can both agree on Labour 😅.

[deeside2]

May 1, 2024 11:23:36 GMT gawa said:

May 1, 2024 11:13:16 GMT deeside2 said:

Thanks for your replies guys - opinions eh ! Good job ( or maybe not in this case) that we're all different. Looks like we'll agree to disagree.

Opinions are like arseholes, we've all got one. I know my views may be extreme in some eyes but it's what I think.
Your views I don't agree with but it's what you think. Not gonna fall out over it.

At least we can both agree on Labour 😅.

Totally agree, especially about Labour ! 

[andystokey]

May 1, 2024 8:16:14 GMT superjw said:

The world has a 1910s feel about it at the moment, the tension is almost palpable and hatred between various groups is rife.

Another world war is inevitable, someone just needs a reason to kick one off. Now that even more money is to be made for certain elites from war, it’s unlikely to be prevented.

Thing is, humans have been almost incapable of living harmoniously throughout history and that’s just the west. It was never going to be that long in history timelines before someone wanted to kick off again - this is that point.

Which is why some statesmanship is required. This university stuff and the federal response comes in a tinder box election year in the US. Now is not a time for dick measuring either at home or abroad. Cannon fodder rarely comes from their class.

[Deleted]

May 1, 2024 8:16:14 GMT superjw said:

The world has a 1910s feel about it at the moment, the tension is almost palpable and hatred between various groups is rife.

Another world war is inevitable, someone just needs a reason to kick one off. Now that even more money is to be made for certain elites from war, it’s unlikely to be prevented.

Thing is, humans have been almost incapable of living harmoniously throughout history and that’s just the west. It was never going to be that long in history timelines before someone wanted to kick off again - this is that point.

How would you know if has a 1910’s feel? I’m assuming that you are not 114?

World economies have never been more intrinsically linked. I do see wars breaking out in the future but that future requires the climate to fuck up a lot of currently prosperous countries who will then become desperate for viable land.

[gawa]

A different perspective.

[Deleted]

May 1, 2024 6:37:58 GMT deeside2 said:

There is another side of the story to that shown in previous video above. The situation at many U.S. universities is rapidly getting totally out of control. Many Jewish professors and students are being targeted and told to leave for their own safety, and not come back. Some moronic students are even converting to Islam on campus and mass Islamic prayers are regularly being held on the university grounds. What has converting people to Islam and mass Islamic prayer gatherings got to do with "freeing Palestine" ?

Whether you agree with Tousi's comments or not IMO this is fast becoming far more sinister than simply a protest against Israel and to "free Palestine".

As can be seen towards the end of the video some States are responding and sending in police to deal with the situation. I don't condone violence but something has to be done to try to regain some level of sense and normality.

Over here we've already seen Islamic prayers in Parliament and Downing Street, and many videos showing regular mass prayer gatherings regularly blocking roads (isn't that what mosques are for ?).

Anyone who isn't concerned by this relentless insidious spread of Islam needs to give heir heads a wobble.

Start the video at 01.16

www.youtube.com/live/jpmB7zRDPqI?si=XgpmZikwGTDrABfi 

Conversion to Islam has been a common place in US prisons for decades. It’s not led to this explosion of radicalization or foreign influence that was predicted.

Like any religion, there’s some good messages and some awful ones.

US students converting to Islam doesn’t really worry me to be honest. I think that, if some are doing it, it will be as a very misguided protest and few will ever attend a mosque by this time next year. Overall, something like 1 in 4 individuals raised Muslim no longer identify as such as an adult. I truly believe that the rate will be double that from these students (at least).

[Paul Spencer]

May 1, 2024 13:01:37 GMT gawa said:

A different perspective.

That is absolutely brilliant and when (as he says) are the rest of the right (the vast majority) actually going to wake up to the reality of the situation?

I kept wanting to copy and paste parts of it in recognition but at the end of the day I would have ended up copying and pasting the whole bloody lot of it!

I really would welcome anybody to attempt to challenge any part of what he has written.

[oggyoggy]

May 1, 2024 9:53:09 GMT gawa said:

May 1, 2024 9:37:13 GMT oggyoggy said:

Fucking idiots blocking government buildings, chanting at civil servants, who feel unsafe and in fear just trying to get to work. My wife has been abused by protesters and has been unable to get to work.

Perhaps this shouldn’t be on the Israel thread, but it is pro-Palestine protesters.

Why don’t these idiots target politicians and people with power, rather than civil servants, who, ironically, are under persistent attack and criticism from the same government the protesters are protesting against.

In the past, civil servants have been locked in government buildings due to protests because they have been advised it would be dangerous to leave. It means children aren’t picked up from childcare. It means people can’t return safely to their home.

Protest is fine. But do it in Parliament Square. Don’t direct abuse towards innocent members of the public. Don’t make completely innocent people feel unsafe in going about their business.

10s of thousands of people are dying oggy. Your wife isn't the victim. Your wife is inconvenienced.

Do you have a source or videos? As you've previously told us on here how Israel is the victim based on the experience of your friends living in Israel. So I'd like to see these civil servants being attacked by protestors.

I'd suggest joining the protests and putting pressure on your MP on the situation. There'd be no protests if there was no genocide. I'm sure the 10s of thousands of dead people would rather a protest outside their office than to be in an early grave.

The pressure is being applied to civil servants, not MPs though. That’s why I said they should protest outside Parliament.

My wife is my source. The fact is, she has come home and the app civil servants have which informs them of safety risks is reporting lots of problems and her colleagues have shared similar stories of what happened to my wife this morning. What is happening in Palestine is not an excuse to verbally abuse innocent people in England who are nothing to do with Israel or Palestine.

My wife should not be verbally abused for being a civil servant and turning up to work. She shouldn’t be made to fell unsafe. She doesn’t have the power to influence our government in weapons sales to Israel. She is not the cause of the war. She didn’t fire rockets, kidnapp people, murder people, bomb people and neither has she ever voted for the party who are selling weapons to Israel.

Israelis are also victims in this and it is a disgrace you don’t see that. There are far fewer victims in Israel than in Palestine, but that doesn’t mean the innocent people who have been murdered by Hamas deserve it. Or are you saying the 7October attack victims deserved to die/be raped? No more so than the 10s of thousands in Palestine since murdered by Israelis.

Adopting your attitude of Israel = bad, Palestine = good means you are fully supportive of every rape and murder committed by Hamas on Israelis.

[gawa]

Big scary protests today in London.

[dutchstokie]

May 1, 2024 8:16:14 GMT superjw said:

The world has a 1910s feel about it at the moment, the tension is almost palpable and hatred between various groups is rife.

Another world war is inevitable, someone just needs a reason to kick one off. Now that even more money is to be made for certain elites from war, it’s unlikely to be prevented.

Thing is, humans have been almost incapable of living harmoniously throughout history and that’s just the west. It was never going to be that long in history timelines before someone wanted to kick off again - this is that point.

Im on the other side of the fence, in saying that mankind has too much to lose.....there wont be another world war....

[gawa]

May 1, 2024 13:14:43 GMT oggyoggy said:

May 1, 2024 9:53:09 GMT gawa said:

10s of thousands of people are dying oggy. Your wife isn't the victim. Your wife is inconvenienced.

Do you have a source or videos? As you've previously told us on here how Israel is the victim based on the experience of your friends living in Israel. So I'd like to see these civil servants being attacked by protestors.

I'd suggest joining the protests and putting pressure on your MP on the situation. There'd be no protests if there was no genocide. I'm sure the 10s of thousands of dead people would rather a protest outside their office than to be in an early grave.

The pressure is being applied to civil servants, not MPs though. That’s why I said they should protest outside Parliament.

My wife is my source. The fact is, she has come home and the app civil servants have which informs them of safety risks is reporting lots of problems and her colleagues have shared similar stories of what happened to my wife this morning. What is happening in Palestine is not an excuse to verbally abuse innocent people in England who are nothing to do with Israel or Palestine.

My wife should not be verbally abused for being a civil servant and turning up to work. She shouldn’t be made to fell unsafe. She doesn’t have the power to influence our government in weapons sales to Israel. She is not the cause of the war. She didn’t fire rockets, kidnapp people, murder people, bomb people and neither has she ever voted for the party who are selling weapons to Israel.

Israelis are also victims in this and it is a disgrace you don’t see that. There are far fewer victims in Israel than in Palestine, but that doesn’t mean the innocent people who have been murdered by Hamas deserve it. Or are you saying the 7October attack victims deserved to die/be raped? No more so than the 10s of thousands in Palestine since murdered by Israelis.

Adopting your attitude of Israel = bad, Palestine = good means you are fully supportive of every rape and murder committed by Hamas on Israelis.

Of course pressure is being applied to MPs. It's been mentioned every day for months with many protests outside Westminster and across the country. There are 100s of videos of MPs being challenged in public. 

Well if your wife works in the department of business and trade there are many videos all over the internet of the protests. I've not seen anyone being attacked or abused and I know there are many zionists desperate for that type of footage so I'm sure it will be unearthed at some stage today. Are you sure she didn't come across Gideon Falter in a disguise?

I did see Israelis were victims Oggy on October 7th and expressed my sympathy. Many Americans were also victims on September 11th. But being a victim for one day doesn't make you a victim every day of the calendar year for the rest of your life. We don't talk about the palestines that died on November 1st, December 3rd, January 7th, February 19th, March 23rd every day of the year. Israelis had more deaths than palestines for a single day for the first time in a number of years so lets talk about that one date for eternity now and use it as a justification for them to murder whoever they like. Nah, I'm bored of it now. 

No worries Oggy I support every rape and murder committed by Hamas on Israelis because I don't mention the one day of the decade more Israelis died every time we touch on the subject. 

And you support every rape and murder committed by Israel for the last century because you've no interest in this subject unless it's to defend Israels actions.