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Post by wannabee on Apr 17, 2024 19:28:40 GMT
www.instagram.com/abcnews/reel/C30vIc1P8Pu/It's a whole bunch of Palestinians with insufficient food waiting for food to be air dropped on the beach which is being blocked by Israel because Bombing the shit out of Gaza isn't enough they also have to starve those that remain alive. It's a good example of how media clips are being manipulated by malevolent actors. It's shameful
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 20:00:26 GMT
Pity that his colleague next in the queue, didn't take the opportunity to ask exactly the same question but as it was the NY Times, I guess it was (sadly) to be expected ...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 17, 2024 20:05:14 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 20:06:34 GMT
www.instagram.com/abcnews/reel/C30vIc1P8Pu/It's a whole bunch of Palestinians with insufficient food waiting for food to be air dropped on the beach which is being blocked by Israel because Bombing the shit out of Gaza isn't enough they also have to starve those that remain alive. It's a good example of how media clips are being manipulated by malevolent actors. It's shameful What's shameful, is how easily people are prepared to allow themselves to be manipulated by such propaganda, with not even the slightest attempt to establish the authenticity of the bullshit they're being presented with.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 17, 2024 20:18:46 GMT
www.instagram.com/abcnews/reel/C30vIc1P8Pu/It's a whole bunch of Palestinians with insufficient food waiting for food to be air dropped on the beach which is being blocked by Israel because Bombing the shit out of Gaza isn't enough they also have to starve those that remain alive. It's a good example of how media clips are being manipulated by malevolent actors. It's shameful What's shameful, is how easily people are prepared to allow themselves to be manipulated by such propaganda, with not even the slightest attempt to establish the authenticity of the bullshit they're being presented with. There is so much manipulation out there with people with a malevolent agenda and many only too willing to accept it without questioning There's another improbable video posted by the same poster on another thread of another failed politician grifting, I can't be arsed to check it's veracity I'm watching the football
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Apr 17, 2024 20:33:58 GMT
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Post by Davef on Apr 17, 2024 20:33:58 GMT
What's shameful, is how easily people are prepared to allow themselves to be manipulated by such propaganda, with not even the slightest attempt to establish the authenticity of the bullshit they're being presented with. There is so much manipulation out there with people with a malevolent agenda and many only too willing to accept it without questioning There's another improbable video posted by the same poster on another thread of another failed politician grifting, I can't be arsed to check it's veracity I'm watching the football The video you've posted is seven weeks old. The one desman has posted is from Monday I believe. Nothing wrong with Gazans enjoying themselves on the beach, mind.
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Apr 17, 2024 20:52:19 GMT
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Post by knype on Apr 17, 2024 20:52:19 GMT
There is so much manipulation out there with people with a malevolent agenda and many only too willing to accept it without questioning There's another improbable video posted by the same poster on another thread of another failed politician grifting, I can't be arsed to check it's veracity I'm watching the football The video you've posted is seven weeks old. The one desman has posted is from Monday I believe. Nothing wrong with Gazans enjoying themselves on the beach, mind. These people who share and believe everything they see online 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Apr 17, 2024 20:57:28 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 17, 2024 20:57:28 GMT
There is so much manipulation out there with people with a malevolent agenda and many only too willing to accept it without questioning There's another improbable video posted by the same poster on another thread of another failed politician grifting, I can't be arsed to check it's veracity I'm watching the football The video you've posted is seven weeks old. The one desman has posted is from Monday I believe. Nothing wrong with Gazans enjoying themselves on the beach, mind. I don't think the dates of the video's are particularly important Dave but rather, what is important, is people being all too prepared to accept the narrative being proposed by the author of the video, without any critical thinking on their part. The video doesn't prove that people aren't starving, the video doesn't prove that genocide isn't taking place, the video doesn't prove that people's homes aren't being flattened but Tousi wants you to believe that what he is presenting, proves as much, even tbough there have been numerous extremely similar videos of people waiting on beaches for aid to be dropped. You are absolutely correct of course, nothing wrong with Gazans enjoying the beach.
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Apr 17, 2024 21:12:05 GMT
Post by wannabee on Apr 17, 2024 21:12:05 GMT
There is so much manipulation out there with people with a malevolent agenda and many only too willing to accept it without questioning There's another improbable video posted by the same poster on another thread of another failed politician grifting, I can't be arsed to check it's veracity I'm watching the football The video you've posted is seven weeks old. The one desman has posted is from Monday I believe. Nothing wrong with Gazans enjoying themselves on the beach, mind. Do you see Gazans enjoying themselves on the Beach Dave? In desman clip I can see people from a distance on a beach I know Gazans go there to collect supplies dropped from the air, up to now I wasn't aware they go to the Beach in a Hijab to sun bathe
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Apr 17, 2024 21:31:08 GMT
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Post by Davef on Apr 17, 2024 21:31:08 GMT
The video you've posted is seven weeks old. The one desman has posted is from Monday I believe. Nothing wrong with Gazans enjoying themselves on the beach, mind. Do you see Gazans enjoying themselves on the Beach Dave? In desman clip I can see people from a distance on a beach I know Gazans go there to collect supplies dropped from the air, up to now I wasn't aware they go to the Beach in a Hijab to sun bathe I see children and adults playing football, others running into the sea and swimming in it. There are also stills on X showing people on surfboards and sheltering from the sun under beach umbrellas. I have no interest in Tousi's agenda, but in your rush to fact check desman, you've posted a completely different video from the end of February.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 17, 2024 22:10:13 GMT
Do you see Gazans enjoying themselves on the Beach Dave? In desman clip I can see people from a distance on a beach I know Gazans go there to collect supplies dropped from the air, up to now I wasn't aware they go to the Beach in a Hijab to sun bathe I see children and adults playing football, others running into the sea and swimming in it. There are also stills on X showing people on surfboards and sheltering from the sun under beach umbrellas. I have no interest in Tousi's agenda, but in your rush to fact check desman, you've posted a completely different video from the end of February. I never claimed the clip I posted was on the same day as desman's, I could post dozens of clips of Gazans gathered on Deir al Balah beach on many days waiting for an Air-drop of food, it's what they are forced to do. God forbid kids will be kids even in the middle of a War. You seem familiar with Mahyar Tousi, I could also post dozens of his clips which are complete distortions, but I think you already know that. This is a clip of a bombing of Deir-al-balah just up from the Beach, I could post dozens more from different days www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/jan/11/palestinian-red-crescent-workers-killed-blast-deir-al-balah-gaza-video-reportAs Paul said it's the propaganda that Tousi and others are relentlessly trying to pitch that nothing bad is happening in Gaza, "look, lots of people are happily playing on the Beach" It's complete Bullshit and quite shameful for anyone to participate in it.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 17, 2024 22:11:30 GMT
This is the view when the camera points inland.....
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Post by wannabee on Apr 17, 2024 22:47:05 GMT
This is the view when the camera points inland..... Yeah, but they all Fucked Off to the Beach to play Football
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 18, 2024 5:30:55 GMT
Do you see Gazans enjoying themselves on the Beach Dave? In desman clip I can see people from a distance on a beach I know Gazans go there to collect supplies dropped from the air, up to now I wasn't aware they go to the Beach in a Hijab to sun bathe I see children and adults playing football, others running into the sea and swimming in it. There are also stills on X showing people on surfboards and sheltering from the sun under beach umbrellas. I have no interest in Tousi's agenda, but in your rush to fact check desman, you've posted a completely different video from the end of February. It's all about context, that's what's being preached recently. In fact I'd have expected an explanation to at least accompany the link.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Apr 18, 2024 5:33:18 GMT
This is the view when the camera points inland.....
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Apr 18, 2024 9:10:37 GMT
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Post by Davef on Apr 18, 2024 9:10:37 GMT
I see children and adults playing football, others running into the sea and swimming in it. There are also stills on X showing people on surfboards and sheltering from the sun under beach umbrellas. I have no interest in Tousi's agenda, but in your rush to fact check desman, you've posted a completely different video from the end of February. I never claimed the clip I posted was on the same day as desman's, I could post dozens of clips of Gazans gathered on Deir al Balah beach on many days waiting for an Air-drop of food, it's what they are forced to do. God forbid kids will be kids even in the middle of a War. You seem familiar with Mahyar Tousi, I could also post dozens of his clips which are complete distortions, but I think you already know that. This is a clip of a bombing of Deir-al-balah just up from the Beach, I could post dozens more from different days www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/jan/11/palestinian-red-crescent-workers-killed-blast-deir-al-balah-gaza-video-reportAs Paul said it's the propaganda that Tousi and others are relentlessly trying to pitch that nothing bad is happening in Gaza, "look, lots of people are happily playing on the Beach" It's complete Bullshit and quite shameful for anyone to participate in it. You posted the Instagram link in response to desman and wrote "It's a whole bunch of Palestinians with insufficient food waiting for food to be air dropped on the beach which is being blocked by Israel because Bombing the shit out of Gaza isn't enough they also have to starve those that remain alive." The scenes on the beaches are two completely different days, seven weeks apart. You attempted to portray that the videos were shot on the same day.
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Apr 18, 2024 9:17:14 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 18, 2024 9:17:14 GMT
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Post by knype on Apr 18, 2024 9:35:44 GMT
Is the plan they refer to a fact or just their opinion?
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 18, 2024 10:06:15 GMT
Is the plan they refer to a fact or just their opinion? He's been quoted, along with a few of his Ministers saying they want it all Knype.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 18, 2024 10:07:59 GMT
Is the plan they refer to a fact or just their opinion? I think they're basing it on this mate ... I actually think it's a bit disingenuous of them to suggest that the British and the Germans have given it the green light because it appears to me, that Netanyahu is thanking them for their military support but then MOVES ON to talk about the settlement building but then again I don't speak Hebrew!
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 18, 2024 10:08:59 GMT
Is the plan they refer to a fact or just their opinion? I think they're basing it on this mate ... An oil adjacent land grab.
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Post by wannabee on Apr 18, 2024 10:49:09 GMT
I never claimed the clip I posted was on the same day as desman's, I could post dozens of clips of Gazans gathered on Deir al Balah beach on many days waiting for an Air-drop of food, it's what they are forced to do. God forbid kids will be kids even in the middle of a War. You seem familiar with Mahyar Tousi, I could also post dozens of his clips which are complete distortions, but I think you already know that. This is a clip of a bombing of Deir-al-balah just up from the Beach, I could post dozens more from different days www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/jan/11/palestinian-red-crescent-workers-killed-blast-deir-al-balah-gaza-video-reportAs Paul said it's the propaganda that Tousi and others are relentlessly trying to pitch that nothing bad is happening in Gaza, "look, lots of people are happily playing on the Beach" It's complete Bullshit and quite shameful for anyone to participate in it. You posted the Instagram link in response to desman and wrote "It's a whole bunch of Palestinians with insufficient food waiting for food to be air dropped on the beach which is being blocked by Israel because Bombing the shit out of Gaza isn't enough they also have to starve those that remain alive." The scenes on the beaches are two completely different days, seven weeks apart. You attempted to portray that the videos were shot on the same day. That wasn't my intent but I fully accept that it could be interpreted that way I had previously seen several similar pictures of the Air-drops on Deir-al-Balah beach and knew its where Gazans gathered when they were expected. I should have made that more clear. What I will say in my opinion that is exactly what they are doing in desman's clip. Whether the children are playing football or adults swimming or sheltering under umbrellas is neither here nor there. The point is Mayyar Tousi manipulated a clip out of context (sorry Ian) to portray that life in Gaza is perfectly normal and people are getting on with their lives and the kids are playing happily so don't believe the MSM who tell you about all the horrors in Gaza. It is far from normal in Gaza.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 18, 2024 21:03:12 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 18, 2024 21:36:19 GMT
And there are people on here, apparently so nieve, that they believe that the US and the UK (who abstained by the way) should be trusted when it comes to Palestine? 🤦♂️
The Biden administration talks a big game about bringing peace to the region (through an Israel-Saudi normalization deal that largely throws the Palestinians under the bus), about its commitment to a Two State Solution, and about its support for the national aspirations of the Palestinian people.
Yet, when push comes to shove, it is the United States and a faux "peace process" that have emerged as the main obstacle to the Palestinians achieving what is their inherent right.
Biden's veto today should reveal to everyone that it is not only the Netanyahu government that opposes a two-state solution, but the United States as well.
The so-called peace process has long ceased to even have the ambition of establishing a Palestinian state. It is, at best, a "pathway" to, at some point down the line, in an undefined future, a potential state (that the US and Israel ensure never will materialize.)
It should be noted, though, that by blocking the pathway for Palestinians to peacefully and diplomatically achieve a state, Biden and Netanyahu's strategy, unfortunately, makes a return to violence all the more probable.
Indeed, Trump and Biden's push for the Abraham Accords, which saw Israel normalizing relations with Arab states while cementing Israel's occupation of Palestine and throwing the Palestinians under the bus, made Hamas' attacks more likely.
A veto that - much like his vetoes of a Gaza ceasefire - will isolate the US, destabilize the Middle East, and push peace for both Palestinians and Israelis further and further away, while making Palestinian armed struggle all the more likely
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 19, 2024 5:51:10 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Apr 19, 2024 5:57:33 GMT
Well this could escalate now and possibly drag us into another war to protect Israel, or Iran will shit the bed. Iran's strike was a bit pathetic so there is every chance they will want out of any war and descalate this quickly but it wouldn't really be a good look for a country like Iran who always want to look tough on the world stage.
What are Iran's options given how their last attack was a bit shite? Go big or go home? Send troops to surrounding countries and take the war to Israel on the ground? Any option which involves conflict doesn't look good for Iran
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Post by serpico on Apr 19, 2024 6:15:37 GMT
I’ll say it again, we need to dump the Israelis and let them face the full brunt of the consequences of being so utterly reckless!!! The last thing we need right now is a full scale war in the broader Middle East! Not only will the human suffering be huge but the wider implications of rising fuel prices could cripple the entire world!
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Post by knype on Apr 19, 2024 6:26:07 GMT
I’ll say it again, we need to dump the Israelis and let them face the full brunt of the consequences of being so utterly reckless!!! The last thing we need right now is a full scale war in the broader Middle East! Not only will the human suffering be huge but the wider implications of rising fuel prices could cripple the entire world! Not sure that there will be a full scale war in the middle east, the bigger players in the middle east back Israel over Iran?
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Post by cvillestokie on Apr 19, 2024 6:35:21 GMT
And half of the West hasn’t decided to defend Iran in the name of peace? Only some types of civilians are worth saving, I suppose.
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Post by serpico on Apr 19, 2024 6:41:58 GMT
I’ll say it again, we need to dump the Israelis and let them face the full brunt of the consequences of being so utterly reckless!!! The last thing we need right now is a full scale war in the broader Middle East! Not only will the human suffering be huge but the wider implications of rising fuel prices could cripple the entire world! Not sure that there will be a full scale war in the middle east, the bigger players in the middle east back Israel over Iran? Of course there will be if Iran responds, they have already shown they can circumvent Israel’s much vaunted iron dome! Israel acts the way it does because it knows Uncle Sam will come in and fight the war for them, Netanyahu openly brags how he has America wrapped around his little finger! And if America go in then no doubt the junior partner (aka the Uk) will follow, I’m sick of the Israelis dictating our foreign policy!
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