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Post by mrcoke on Mar 25, 2024 14:49:53 GMT
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Mar 25, 2024 15:14:43 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 25, 2024 15:14:43 GMT
And people are trying to claim it's not ethnic cleansing? It's the textbook definition FFS!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 25, 2024 15:19:06 GMT
Finally. How about we stop sending them arms then? The US position is still pitiful mind.
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Mar 25, 2024 16:01:31 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Mar 25, 2024 16:01:31 GMT
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Mar 25, 2024 17:12:18 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 25, 2024 17:12:18 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 25, 2024 19:59:36 GMT
This video seems to be " constructed " and goes back to November last year, but it does seem to illustrate how many people feel. Totally innocent children. Paying the price for what? And those who feel and show concern and just want it to stop ....can do absolutely nothing/ very little of effect....whilst the powers to be are on some sort of warped mission. It's one thing feeling and believing that your government does not represent you, but this Gaza-Israel event has taken things to an altogether different surreal level. www.facebook.com/share/v/Z2tpAUy32YTJHaUL/
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 26, 2024 15:46:52 GMT
Oh what a surprise, nobody saw this coming, said nobody ever! 🙄
Non binding?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 26, 2024 16:30:00 GMT
It's goes without saying that this is utterly embarassing and almost beyond parody but what I can't actually work out, is Whale and his sidekick, simply acting as characters because they know their audience is as thick as mince and this is the role they want to see them play?
Or are they actually truly representing themselves and are genuinely this thick, arrogant and thoroughly unpleasant people?
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Mar 27, 2024 9:37:29 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2024 9:37:29 GMT
Oh what a surprise, nobody saw this coming, said nobody ever! 🙄 Non binding? Apologies for replying to my own post but this piece from Arnaud Betrand, absolutely nails why this is so important ... Since the beginning, it's been obvious that Gaza was in many ways a fight between International Law and the US's "rules-based order".
This whole episode around the UN resolution is a perfect illustration of this. There is no debate amongst international law scholars that resolutions by the UN Security Council that "demand" certain actions are binding (good explanation by a legal scholar here: verfassungsblog.de/why-todays-un-security-council-resolution-demanding-an-immediate-ceasefire-is-legally-binding/). In fact resolutions by the council ARE international law, article 25 of the UN Charter clearly states: "The Members of the United Nations agree to accept and carry out the decisions of the Security Council in accordance with the present Charter."
Yet the US now argues that the "rule" is in fact different: "It's a non-binding resolution, so there's no impact at all on Israel".
Where is this rule written, that somehow when the UNSC "demands an immediate ceasefire for the month of Ramadan respected by all parties leading to a lasting sustainable ceasefire", it's non-binding and "there's no impact at all" on the warring party? Nowhere, that's the beauty of the rules-based order: the rules are made-up in the moment to fit the interests of the U.S. and its henchmen, depending on the circumstances.
Had the very same resolution, with the exact same language, been adopted for a conflict that the U.S. actually wanted stopped, there's no doubt they'd have argued the exact opposite: that it was binding and the hostilities had to cease immediately. Which goes to show that sometimes the Rules-Based Order does align with international law, when it's in the US's interests to do so.
In that sense, Israel's genocide in Gaza is a great revealer because everything about it goes against international law: the mass killing of civilians, journalists, and humanitarian workers; the pre-existing occupation of Palestinian land; the wholesale destruction of Gaza: the hospitals, the mosques, the schools; the torture of prisoners; the deliberate starvation of the population, etc. So never before have we been able to see in such an obvious way the immense contrast between the rules-based order and international law.
And there's no going back, the curtain was pulled: if they hadn't noticed before, the world now knows for sure that the US (and Israel of course) is quite literally a rogue state, operating outside international laws and norms, and outside the most fundamental moral principles.
There's no overstating how consequential this is for the integrity of international relations. By doing so, the US effectively destroys the world order it largely created after WW2 because it effectively tells everyone that the set of institutions, rules and norms that underpin it are meaningless. We're effectively now in a world system where everyone realizes the police, the government, the basic set of beliefs, have become completely corrupted. This changes everything.
What comes next? I think there's no coming back for the U.S. And I think they know this, maybe unconsciously, otherwise they would at least pretend to act for the better good of all. The fact they don't shows they've effectively abdicated ambitions to restore their hegemony: they're now nakedly in it to milk the system for themselves, universal pretentions have gone.
Most countries however don't want to live in an "eat or get eaten"/"might makes right" world, without rules or norms. So in time a new system will arise. The biggest unknowns being: can it arise without a major global war, who will lead the construction of its foundations and how can it be set up so that this time around it is fair for all and respected by all?
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 27, 2024 9:44:23 GMT
The resolution changes absolutely nothing.Israel does what Israel wants.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 27, 2024 9:47:28 GMT
The resolution changes absolutely nothing.Israel does what Israel wants. Indeed but as the piece above says, if it was any other country in the world, then the resolution would be binding and as such, there is no question now that Israel is indeed a pariah state.
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Post by Eggybread on Mar 27, 2024 10:17:49 GMT
The resolution changes absolutely nothing.Israel does what Israel wants. Indeed but as the piece above says, if it was any other country in the world, then the resolution would be binding and as such, there is no question now that Israel is indeed a pariah state. We will soon snuggle up to them when they have finished doing what they are doing. Same as China and Saudi ,nothing but money talks in this demented world.
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Apr 1, 2024 18:10:56 GMT
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Post by serpico on Apr 1, 2024 18:10:56 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 1, 2024 19:02:36 GMT
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Apr 1, 2024 19:24:41 GMT
Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 1, 2024 19:24:41 GMT
This is serious and very worrying.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Apr 1, 2024 19:39:25 GMT
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Post by roylandstoke on Apr 2, 2024 1:44:08 GMT
The resolution changes absolutely nothing.Israel does what Israel wants. The racist, apartheid, terrorist state that is Israel does what the US, and ( to a lesser extent) our Government allows it to do. Without the military, financial and moral support of the US and UK , Israel is nothing.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 2, 2024 6:14:32 GMT
I’m just wondering if there will ever be a red line when it comes to Israel or will countries like ours continue to pay lip service whilst they do what the hell they want?
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Apr 2, 2024 6:22:46 GMT
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Post by atillathehoneybee on Apr 2, 2024 6:22:46 GMT
I’m just wondering if there will ever be a red line when it comes to Israel or will countries like ours continue to pay lip service whilst they do what the hell they want? Problem is though, world banking, and a lot of big corporations are ran by, or funded by Israel, and The West, particularly USA and UK are shit scared of upsetting them.
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 2, 2024 7:51:32 GMT
Discusting Israel fires on clearly marked food charity killing 7 aid workers that they knew were going to be there I hope that they will be prosecuted for war crimes They are also trying to escalate the war in the region
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Apr 2, 2024 8:03:07 GMT
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Post by essexstokey on Apr 2, 2024 8:03:07 GMT
This discusting isralie government is betting on and using the fear of people and countries being branded as antisemitic to defend there actions SA saw through it its time the rest of the world woke up The Jewish people in this country and beyond back please its about time the Israeli government listened to them
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 2, 2024 12:01:19 GMT
I’m just wondering if there will ever be a red line when it comes to Israel or will countries like ours continue to pay lip service whilst they do what the hell they want? And it's not just about the murder of the poor aid workers, it's about how many Palestinian kids are going to now starve to death as a result of the charity (quite understandbly) suspending it's operations. All part of the Israeli plan ...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 2, 2024 14:45:13 GMT
I’m just wondering if there will ever be a red line when it comes to Israel or will countries like ours continue to pay lip service whilst they do what the hell they want? And it's not just about the murder of the poor aid workers, it's about how many Palestinian kids are going to now starve to death as a result of the charity (quite understandbly) suspending it's operations. All part of the Israeli plan ... Get ready for it......
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Post by foster on Apr 2, 2024 18:40:51 GMT
This is when the British people will hopefully come to the realisation that the government cares more for Israeli money than it does for it's own people.
3 Brits dead.
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Post by Gods on Apr 2, 2024 19:43:36 GMT
It's odd to see the Israeli political and military leadership for the first time looking apologetic and contrite.
I mean prior to this they had butchered 18,000 children without even blinking.
I suppose Palestinians don't count.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 3, 2024 9:01:28 GMT
Is that the sound of a pennies beginning to drop?
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Post by dirtygary69 on Apr 3, 2024 9:12:28 GMT
Fuck Israel.
As you could have predicted, it would take something like the death of innocent westerners for the realisation to dawn. It's been clear from day one that it's a barbaric regime, not bothered about who or what that gets in its way in order to wipe out Palestine. It's genuinely scary how the likes of us and America have just let them run riot. Only when it gets a bit too close to home does it start to matter to them, never mind all of the innocent Palestinian children who have lost their lives.
As usual in all of this, you feel for the decent people who fall on both sides of the conflict - ruled over by nut jobs who just want to bomb and ruin people. Netanhayu is a terrorist.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 3, 2024 9:18:51 GMT
Every piece of paper that is put in front of you Mr. Cameron isn't of equal importance is it?
How fuckin stupid do you think we all are?
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Post by stokeson on Apr 3, 2024 10:30:38 GMT
It's odd to see the Israeli political and military leadership for the first time looking apologetic and contrite. I mean prior to this they had butchered 18,000 children without even blinking. I suppose Palestinians don't count. I watched "The Zone of Interest," last night and could only think of people of Israel watching history repeating. Martin Amis would not belive the same people who suffered so much could then repeat the dehumanising of a nation .
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Post by OldStokie on Apr 3, 2024 10:47:35 GMT
It's ironic that before October 7th, anyone who criticised Israel was immediately labeled as an anti-Semite when those speaking out about Israel were anti-Zionist and not anti-Semites. It's now turned a complete circle and anti-Zionism is rife and fully accepted by the whole world and its dog. This Zionist government in Israel has undone all their previous scheming to conflate the issue.
OS.
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