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Jan 11, 2024 15:22:58 GMT
Post by noustie on Jan 11, 2024 15:22:58 GMT
I've watched some of the live footage (of course the British main stream media didn't bother) and I must say South Africa's case to the ICJ has been excellent. Israel's response appears to be to shout "South Africa are Hamas sympathisers" over and over.......... I hadn't realised until this was happening that there was history between South Africa in the apartheid era and Israel! |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 11, 2024 16:10:55 GMT
I've watched some of the live footage (of course the British main stream media didn't bother) and I must say South Africa's case to the ICJ has been excellent. Israel's response appears to be to shout "South Africa are Hamas sympathisers" over and over.......... I hadn't realised until this was happening that there was history between South Africa in the apartheid era and Israel! Yeah it's really interesting. The Jewish activists working underground in South Africa during the apartheid regime were some of the bravest people you'll ever hear about. |
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Israel
Jan 11, 2024 17:25:20 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 11, 2024 17:25:20 GMT
I've watched some of the live footage (of course the British main stream media didn't bother) and I must say South Africa's case to the ICJ has been excellent. Israel's response appears to be to shout "South Africa are Hamas sympathisers" over and over.......... I turned on the TV earlier today, fully committed to watching it for a few hours but unfortunately didn't get past the PO investigation and ultimately haven't now seen a minute of it. I hate not seeing this sort of thing live and then having to rely on news bulletins because there will always be some sort of agenda spun into it but I guess that's the only option now. Will try and give it full attention tomorrow. |
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Jan 11, 2024 19:37:09 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 11, 2024 19:37:09 GMT
Cabinet calls and cobra meetings about attacks on the Houthis in Yemen…
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Jan 11, 2024 19:52:16 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 11, 2024 19:52:16 GMT
If we formally announce attacks on Yemen, would Iran retaliate?
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Post by roylandstoke on Jan 11, 2024 20:20:39 GMT
Good old Labour Friends of Israel, they spend more time in Jerusalem then they do serving their constituencies I swear. Ruth Smeeth and my current constituent Tory Labour MP Christian Wakeford are there as always......... Friends of Israel and supporters of apartheid, racism and genocide. |
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Post by wannabee on Jan 11, 2024 21:17:27 GMT
Cabinet calls and cobra meetings about attacks on the Houthis in Yemen… It's all bubbling along nicely The Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iraqi Militias engaging with US in Iraq and Syria while Iran stirs the pot. Of course it's a perfect time for US and its Poodle UK to get involved. What could possibly go wrong. The stated intent of the Houthis is to block shipping traffic reaching Israel until aid to Gaza is restored, hard to disagree with the intent its where an escalation may go. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 11, 2024 22:22:22 GMT
Cabinet calls and cobra meetings about attacks on the Houthis in Yemen… It's all bubbling along nicely The Houthis in Yemen, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iraqi Militias engaging with US in Iraq and Syria while Iran stirs the pot. Of course it's a perfect time for US and its Poodle UK to get involved. What could possibly go wrong. The stated intent of the Houthis is to block shipping traffic reaching Israel until aid to Gaza is restored, hard to disagree with the intent its where an escalation may go. Nothing like a war prior to an election! 🤫 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 11, 2024 22:46:37 GMT
In year's to come, history students will study this speech.
So incredibly powerful ...
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Israel
Jan 11, 2024 22:54:17 GMT
Post by wannabee on Jan 11, 2024 22:54:17 GMT
I've watched some of the live footage (of course the British main stream media didn't bother) and I must say South Africa's case to the ICJ has been excellent. Israel's response appears to be to shout "South Africa are Hamas sympathisers" over and over.......... I turned on the TV earlier today, fully committed to watching it for a few hours but unfortunately didn't get past the PO investigation and ultimately haven't now seen a minute of it. I hate not seeing this sort of thing live and then having to rely on news bulletins because there will always be some sort of agenda spun into it but I guess that's the only option now. Will try and give it full attention tomorrow. I'm quite sure you will follow proceedings Paul if you haven't already This short extract from Irish Lawyer Blinne Ni Ghralaigh presentation sums it up for me |
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Post by wannabee on Jan 11, 2024 22:56:03 GMT
In year's to come, history students will study this speech. So incredibly powerful ... Snap We were both posting at same time the exact same thing |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 11, 2024 23:35:53 GMT
Telegram is awash with reports that it's begun, when we will ever fuckin learn! 😓
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Israel
Jan 11, 2024 23:40:14 GMT
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 11, 2024 23:40:14 GMT
Telegram is awash with reports that it's begun, when we will ever fuckin learn! 😓 Scary isn't it? |
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Post by Gods on Jan 11, 2024 23:41:02 GMT
Yep, war has started in the Yemen it would seem.
I guess it will be US and a token air strike from UK to give the impression of a coalition.
Can't we just for once leave one of these attacks to someone else?!
There is never a happy ending.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2024 23:42:52 GMT
Seems like a sensible retaliation to me from their strikes on key shipping lanes.
It doesn’t seem like an escalation. Hitting targets in Iran like we should be would be. But we aren’t.
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Israel
Jan 11, 2024 23:43:44 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2024 23:43:44 GMT
Yep, war has started in the Yemen it would seem. I guess it will be US and a token air strike from UK to give the impression of a coalition. Can't we just for once leave one of these attacks to someone else?! There is never a happy ending. Saudi Arabia has been at war with the Houthis for years. So we have been 🤣 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 12, 2024 0:02:27 GMT
Telegram is awash with reports that it's begun, when we will ever fuckin learn! 😓 Scary isn't it? Very much so. The Saudi led Arab coalition in 2015 invaded Yemen with thousands of troops and numerous planes and hi-tech British and US equipment and guess what? Eight years on, the Houthis are still running the show. We're not going to achieve anything. As far as I'm aware, not one single person has been killed in the Red Sea but 25,000 civilians have been murdered in Gaza. The Houthis have said the attacks will stop, when Israel starts allowing aid into Gaza. So what do we do? Instead of getting tough with Israel, we decide to spend billions attacking another country, whilst at the same time, running the risk of... Losing British military personnel Becoming embroiled in an all out war in the Red Sea, creating a rise in the cost of goods back home. Potentially dragging Iran into a much bigger war entirely, for the love of God, please no. Nevermind prompting renewed terror attacks on our streets. And all for what? We've got one aircraft carrier out there, where are the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Australians, the Canadians, why is it always US who are the ones who end up acting like dickheads? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 0:06:12 GMT
Very much so. The Saudi led Arab coalition in 2015 invaded Yemen with thousands of troops and numerous planes and hi-tech British and US equipment and guess what? Eight years on, the Houthis are still running the show. We're not going to achieve anything. As far as I'm aware, not one single person has been killed in the Red Sea but 25,000 civilians have been murdered in Gaza. The Houthis have said the attacks will stop, when Israel starts allowing aid into Gaza. So what do we do? Instead of getting tough with Israel, we decide to spend billions attacking another country, whilst at the same time, running the risk of... Losing British military personnel Becoming embroiled in an all out war in the Red Sea, creating a rise in the cost of goods back home. Potentially dragging Iran into a much bigger war entirely, for the love of God, please no. Nevermind prompting renewed terror attacks on our streets. And all for what? We've got one aircraft carrier out there, where are the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Australians, the Canadians, why is it always US who are the ones who end up acting like dickheads? They’re all there Paul. French ships have played a big part in protecting the sea lanes too. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 12, 2024 0:10:04 GMT
Very much so. The Saudi led Arab coalition in 2015 invaded Yemen with thousands of troops and numerous planes and hi-tech British and US equipment and guess what? Eight years on, the Houthis are still running the show. We're not going to achieve anything. As far as I'm aware, not one single person has been killed in the Red Sea but 25,000 civilians have been murdered in Gaza. The Houthis have said the attacks will stop, when Israel starts allowing aid into Gaza. So what do we do? Instead of getting tough with Israel, we decide to spend billions attacking another country, whilst at the same time, running the risk of... Losing British military personnel Becoming embroiled in an all out war in the Red Sea, creating a rise in the cost of goods back home. Potentially dragging Iran into a much bigger war entirely, for the love of God, please no. Nevermind prompting renewed terror attacks on our streets. And all for what? We've got one aircraft carrier out there, where are the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Australians, the Canadians, why is it always US who are the ones who end up acting like dickheads? They’re all there Paul. French ships have played a big part in protecting the sea lanes too. Fair do's mate. But I think it's utterly unbelievable and will achieve absolutely zip, for all the reasons I mentioned above. When you see the speech from Blinne Ní Ghrálaigh earlier today and then compare that to the actions taking place this evening, I absolutely despair at how Israel can have such a hold over the West. |
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Jan 12, 2024 0:15:11 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2024 0:15:11 GMT
They’re all there Paul. French ships have played a big part in protecting the sea lanes too. Fair do's mate. But I think it's utterly unbelievable and will achieve absolutely zip, for all the reasons I mentioned above. I’m not sure how much it’ll achieve myself tbh. I don’t think it’ll escalate much though. Do Iran really want to be at war with the US? Of course they don’t. They’d be smashed and it would probably lead to a new leadership and they know that. So a bit of dick waving by all sides will carry on. |
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Jan 12, 2024 0:21:49 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 12, 2024 0:21:49 GMT
There's been a fuckton of pressure from the right-leaning sorts in the US, thrashing Biden for not bombing the shit out of the Houthis.
I'd be fine with it if I was sure they could just blow up all the anti-ship missile launchers and nothing else, but from everything I've seen that's not gonna happen.
Just lots of explosions to look like they're doing something?
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Post by wannabee on Jan 12, 2024 0:30:41 GMT
Telegram is awash with reports that it's begun, when we will ever fuckin learn! 😓 The narrative that Israel "has a right to defend itself" has worn thin, comprehensively amplified today at ICJ Therefore it's time to change the narrative that the Houthis who's current objective is to disrupt Shipping reaching Israeli Ports until aid reaches Gaza are an existential threat to the West. In part this is true as Israel is an essential Geopolitical allay to US in the Middle East so by default Palestinians in Gaza .... and the West Bank are unimportant As honesty of action by Governments is an unlikely event we will have to suffice with the new message being propagated by MSN |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 12, 2024 0:34:22 GMT
Very much so. The Saudi led Arab coalition in 2015 invaded Yemen with thousands of troops and numerous planes and hi-tech British and US equipment and guess what? Eight years on, the Houthis are still running the show. We're not going to achieve anything. As far as I'm aware, not one single person has been killed in the Red Sea but 25,000 civilians have been murdered in Gaza. The Houthis have said the attacks will stop, when Israel starts allowing aid into Gaza. So what do we do? Instead of getting tough with Israel, we decide to spend billions attacking another country, whilst at the same time, running the risk of... Losing British military personnel Becoming embroiled in an all out war in the Red Sea, creating a rise in the cost of goods back home. Potentially dragging Iran into a much bigger war entirely, for the love of God, please no. Nevermind prompting renewed terror attacks on our streets. And all for what? We've got one aircraft carrier out there, where are the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Australians, the Canadians, why is it always US who are the ones who end up acting like dickheads? The way that the innocent Palestinian people have been treated is appalling. I'd be pretty pissed off if much needed aid wasn't getting into my country. I have a terrible feeling about this. Yet more innocent people will die. The news images from Yemen are scary. The world is getting crazier by the day. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 12, 2024 0:48:52 GMT
Very much so. The Saudi led Arab coalition in 2015 invaded Yemen with thousands of troops and numerous planes and hi-tech British and US equipment and guess what? Eight years on, the Houthis are still running the show. We're not going to achieve anything. As far as I'm aware, not one single person has been killed in the Red Sea but 25,000 civilians have been murdered in Gaza. The Houthis have said the attacks will stop, when Israel starts allowing aid into Gaza. So what do we do? Instead of getting tough with Israel, we decide to spend billions attacking another country, whilst at the same time, running the risk of... Losing British military personnel Becoming embroiled in an all out war in the Red Sea, creating a rise in the cost of goods back home. Potentially dragging Iran into a much bigger war entirely, for the love of God, please no. Nevermind prompting renewed terror attacks on our streets. And all for what? We've got one aircraft carrier out there, where are the French, the Germans, the Dutch, the Australians, the Canadians, why is it always US who are the ones who end up acting like dickheads? The way that the innocent Palestinian people have been treated is appalling. I'd be pretty pissed off if much needed aid wasn't getting into my country. I have a terrible feeling about this. Yet more innocent people will die. The news images from Yemen are scary. The world is getting crazier by the day. In November during the ceasefire in Gaza when aid was allowed in, apart from on one occasion, the attacks from the Houthis on shipping in the Red Sea stopped completely. It's utterly incomprehensible to me, why we've done what we've done tonight. |
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Post by fishlovesoatcakes on Jan 12, 2024 0:51:22 GMT
The way that the innocent Palestinian people have been treated is appalling. I'd be pretty pissed off if much needed aid wasn't getting into my country. I have a terrible feeling about this. Yet more innocent people will die. The news images from Yemen are scary. The world is getting crazier by the day. In November during the ceasefire in Gaza when aid was allowed in, apart from on one occasion, the attacks from the Houthis on shipping in the Red Sea stopped completely. It's utterly incomprehensible to me, why we've done what we've done tonight. Same here mate. It's hardly a proud moment by indirectly supporting mass genocide. |
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Jan 12, 2024 1:20:15 GMT
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Post by hamsta2 on Jan 12, 2024 1:20:15 GMT
The way that the innocent Palestinian people have been treated is appalling. I'd be pretty pissed off if much needed aid wasn't getting into my country. I have a terrible feeling about this. Yet more innocent people will die. The news images from Yemen are scary. The world is getting crazier by the day. In November during the ceasefire in Gaza when aid was allowed in, apart from on one occasion, the attacks from the Houthis on shipping in the Red Sea stopped completely. It's utterly incomprehensible to me, why we've done what we've done tonight. The cynic in me says it’s a huge dead cat. Other than that completely baffling . |
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Post by callas12 on Jan 12, 2024 1:41:27 GMT
Totally understand the concerns involved here but sometimes taking decisive action is the correct thing to do.
The problem in allowing a rogue state in Yemen, which is funded by another dangerous Islamic regime (Iran) to carry on as it please's, who are regularly attacking our own Military forces as well as civilian folk going about their business on the cargo ships & tankers in the Red Sea, needs confronting.
Well over 100 attacks have been recorded in that region in the past few months, some cargo ships have been kidnapped & the crews are still missing. This quite simply isn't right.
How much can you just sit back and take these threats & attacks coming your way?! The crews on these civilian ships and even the military ships are risking their lives every day working in that area purely trying to keep the peace & go about their business. But every day they are working in fear of attack.
Will these defensive attacks make the situation better or worse time will tell, but for me something had to be done.
The fact so many countries have backed and been involved in these attacks tonight suggests it has been considered and sufficient evidence has been received to continue as they have.
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Post by wannabee on Jan 12, 2024 3:51:11 GMT
Totally understand the concerns involved here but sometimes taking decisive action is the correct thing to do. The problem in allowing a rogue state in Yemen, which is funded by another dangerous Islamic regime (Iran) to carry on as it please's, who are regularly attacking our own Military forces as well as civilian folk going about their business on the cargo ships & tankers in the Red Sea, needs confronting. Well over 100 attacks have been recorded in that region in the past few months, some cargo ships have been kidnapped & the crews are still missing. This quite simply isn't right. How much can you just sit back and take these threats & attacks coming your way?! The crews on these civilian ships and even the military ships are risking their lives every day working in that area purely trying to keep the peace & go about their business. But every day they are working in fear of attack. Will these defensive attacks make the situation better or worse time will tell, but for me something had to be done. The fact so many countries have backed and been involved in these attacks tonight suggests it has been considered and sufficient evidence has been received to continue as they have. It very much depends on your perspective of what constitutes a rogue state In my view Israel by its actions qualifies for that description and not just since 7th October By Rogue State I assume you mean the former internationally recognised Mutawakkilite Kingdom of Yemen which ceased to exist after the 1962/1970 North Yemen War and has been reestablished by the Houthis The Saudis backed by US and UK Armaments since 2015 have been waging a War against the Houthis which according to UNICEF has created the biggest Humanitarian Crisis in the World with more than 20 million people in danger of starvation. There has been an unofficial ceasefire for the last year after hostilities ended in Stalemate When you say Islamic State you must mean ISIS, unless you are misusing the description, who the Houthis are sworn enemies of. This distinction has not hampered Israeli and US Politicians in erroneously claiming Hamas is ISIS There is a world of difference in their ideological philosophies. Hamas aim is to establish a Palestinian State, ISIS to establish a Caliphate. Before 7th October Houthis sporadically attached Ships in the Gulf and escalated after 7th October with the stated aim of stopping the bombardment of Gaza and a restoration of Humanitarian Aid. Iran have very little control over the Houthis and the International Coalition to stop the Houthis is very likely to end in failure in my opinion. |
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 12, 2024 5:06:44 GMT
A US-led bombing campaign in the Middle East?
I'm sure I've seen this episode before.
Saudi Arabia monitoring with "great concern"..."Hey, that's our bombing spot".
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 12, 2024 7:26:26 GMT
Totally understand the concerns involved here but sometimes taking decisive action is the correct thing to do. The problem in allowing a rogue state in Yemen, which is funded by another dangerous Islamic regime (Iran) to carry on as it please's, who are regularly attacking our own Military forces as well as civilian folk going about their business on the cargo ships & tankers in the Red Sea, needs confronting. Well over 100 attacks have been recorded in that region in the past few months, some cargo ships have been kidnapped & the crews are still missing. This quite simply isn't right. How much can you just sit back and take these threats & attacks coming your way?! The crews on these civilian ships and even the military ships are risking their lives every day working in that area purely trying to keep the peace & go about their business. But every day they are working in fear of attack. Will these defensive attacks make the situation better or worse time will tell, but for me something had to be done. The fact so many countries have backed and been involved in these attacks tonight suggests it has been considered and sufficient evidence has been received to continue as they have. I can see both sides, but more so Paul Spencer’s points. When the ceasefire happened, these attacks stopped. We need to be looking at the root cause of these strikes, which is Israel’s continued genocide. Stopping that will do much more good. |
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