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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 3, 2024 0:15:40 GMT
Fucking hell. Had to go back a page just to find out everyone is talking about Greenwood in a Bellingham thread. It's why I really don't like when threads are resurrected from months or years ago because something kind of related to the title has happened. Just start a new thread.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 3, 2024 0:49:30 GMT
Semantics. Amounts to the same thing in layman's terms. If the CPS offers no evidence is the case discontinued or not? I'll wait while you climb down off your high horse and say 'you're right'. It's not semantics. Discontinuance allows for proceedings to be revived. Offering no evidence in nearly all cases means they can't as for either way offences at the Magistrates Court it is treated as an acquittal and at the Crown Court not guilty verdicts are entered. Why are you arguing with me about this when you clearly don't understand it. It is semantics as far as the layman is concerned. The only person that the difference between 'discontinuance' and an 'offering no evidence acquittal' matters to is Greenwood. It doesn't matter one jot to us what the wording of or reasons behind the withdrawal of the prosecution was. We simply know it was withdrawn, probably because the victim no longer wished to support the case, and Greenwood is no longer being prosecuted. You yourself in an earlier reply admitted you don't know what the actual circumstances of the withdrawal of the case are. All I was saying is that to the 'man on the Clapham omnibus' the result is the same no matter how much you dress it up in legal jargon.
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 3, 2024 0:50:43 GMT
Come on
If we're going to go off topic, at least make it about Vanessa Feltz or Cornettos
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 3, 2024 1:13:13 GMT
So, he’s either a piece of scum that beats his partner or, he’s an angel and she’s a piece of scum for pretending he does.
Either way, their child has got no hope. Poor sod.
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Post by thornestein on Feb 3, 2024 6:11:43 GMT
Come on, we all know what actually happened it was just never taken to court. Like many others have said, domestic abuse breads domestic abuse and it’s a matter of time before something else happens. No matter what Bellingham has or hasn’t said. No, none of us know what actually happend. It absolutely was taken to Court. He appeared at the Magistrates' Court in police custody. Was then remanded into custody by the District Judge. He was then granted bail by a CC Judge. He appeared at a PTPH. A trial date was set. The matter was then discontinued. I don't actually believe it was discontinued. I believe the CC Judge would have entered not guilty verdicts given an indictment was likely to have been preferred at that stage. As a side note if anyone actually believes it was dropped purely because she wanted it to be they are sadly mistaken. because she wanted it dropped and refused to give evidence, the cpc didn’t have enough evidence to carry the case on
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Post by Ron on Feb 3, 2024 7:15:10 GMT
Trust me… the CPS don’t discontinue rape cases lightly, and one as high profile as this would have been considered very very carefully.
Bellingham should get in hot water for what he said.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 3, 2024 9:44:46 GMT
Well as you don't know either of them and they both live in Spain then your chances of ever having anything to do with him is vanishingly small. In which case it must be a relief that you haven't got a decision to make. A very insular view to take. Personally I take an interest in many things and I’m fortunate enough to consider things beyond the end of my own front garden. Well if speculating what goes on in other peoples houses years after it did or didn't happen is what you take an interest in then fill your boots. Not for me.
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Post by a on Feb 3, 2024 9:53:21 GMT
A very insular view to take. Personally I take an interest in many things and I’m fortunate enough to consider things beyond the end of my own front garden. Well if speculating what goes on in other peoples houses years after it did or didn't happen is what you take an interest in then fill your boots. Not for me. Fair enough 👍
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Post by willieeetmiout on Feb 3, 2024 11:04:19 GMT
It's not semantics. Discontinuance allows for proceedings to be revived. Offering no evidence in nearly all cases means they can't as for either way offences at the Magistrates Court it is treated as an acquittal and at the Crown Court not guilty verdicts are entered. Why are you arguing with me about this when you clearly don't understand it. It is semantics as far as the layman is concerned. The only person that the difference between 'discontinuance' and an 'offering no evidence acquittal' matters to is Greenwood. It doesn't matter one jot to us what the wording of or reasons behind the withdrawal of the prosecution was. We simply know it was withdrawn, probably because the victim no longer wished to support the case, and Greenwood is no longer being prosecuted. You yourself in an earlier reply admitted you don't know what the actual circumstances of the withdrawal of the case are. All I was saying is that to the 'man on the Clapham omnibus' the result is the same no matter how much you dress it up in legal jargon. Legal jargon? That's just a simple way of saying I don't understand properly. But if you are right then its all just legal jargon. He isnt a rapist he's just a naughty boy. Scrap the legal jargon. Murderer....nope ....just badly behaved.
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Post by clarkeda on Feb 3, 2024 11:31:25 GMT
I think it was dismissed due the possibility of not getting a conviction. It’s a very difficult offence to secure a conviction for, as the statistics show. Those pictures and audio recordings his girlfriend released were pretty horrible, but who knows how she sustained such injuries. so he didn't pay her off then...she was probably only in it for the money anyway I’ve no idea what her intentions were but aren’t they back together and expecting now?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 3, 2024 11:41:25 GMT
Not good at all. But I don't know any of the background. I certainly don't know if he raped her. Last I heard she's having his kid and they're back together. Funny old world. Plenty of victims of domestic violence stay with the person that beats the crap out of them. Her getting back together with Greenwood means little one way or the other to be honest. Can't argue with that. My point is none of us know. And I doubt Bellingham has any more idea than you or me. On the face of it Greenwood seems like a pretty shitty bloke. But would I go about calling him a rapist when I don't actually know whether that's true or not then the answer is no. Bellingham should mind his own business lest he find himself in some compromising position in the future and he has people making false accusations against him.
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Post by skip on Feb 3, 2024 12:00:36 GMT
Because many abused women stay with their abuser because of the power imbalance. Or the money. Money = power imbalance.
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Post by a on Feb 3, 2024 12:02:09 GMT
Plenty of victims of domestic violence stay with the person that beats the crap out of them. Her getting back together with Greenwood means little one way or the other to be honest. Can't argue with that. My point is none of us know. And I doubt Bellingham has any more idea than you or me. On the face of it Greenwood seems like a pretty shitty bloke. But would I go about calling him a rapist when I don't actually know whether that's true or not then the answer is no. Bellingham should mind his own business lest he find himself in some compromising position in the future and he has people making false accusations against him. All very true. Can’t argue with what you’ve said. Someone should tell Manchester United 👀 they probably know more than most though and they dropped him then sent him abroad on loan… be interesting to see whether he returns or is loaned again/sold
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Post by pottersrule on Feb 3, 2024 12:12:53 GMT
A very insular view to take. Personally I take an interest in many things and I’m fortunate enough to consider things beyond the end of my own front garden. Well if speculating what goes on in other peoples houses years after it did or didn't happen is what you take an interest in then fill your boots. Not for me. 😂😂
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Post by ohbottom on Feb 3, 2024 12:44:43 GMT
Come on If we're going to go off topic, at least make it about Vanessa Feltz or Cornettos Vanessa Feltz, Cornettos....? I think you've just described your secret fantasy!
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 3, 2024 12:48:49 GMT
It is semantics as far as the layman is concerned. The only person that the difference between 'discontinuance' and an 'offering no evidence acquittal' matters to is Greenwood. It doesn't matter one jot to us what the wording of or reasons behind the withdrawal of the prosecution was. We simply know it was withdrawn, probably because the victim no longer wished to support the case, and Greenwood is no longer being prosecuted. You yourself in an earlier reply admitted you don't know what the actual circumstances of the withdrawal of the case are. All I was saying is that to the 'man on the Clapham omnibus' the result is the same no matter how much you dress it up in legal jargon. Legal jargon? That's just a simple way of saying I don't understand properly. But if you are right then its all just legal jargon. He isnt a rapist he's just a naughty boy. Scrap the legal jargon. Murderer....nope ....just badly behaved. Ok thanks Rumpole. 👍
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Feb 3, 2024 14:23:49 GMT
Come on If we're going to go off topic, at least make it about Vanessa Feltz or Cornettos Vanessa Feltz, Cornettos....? I think you've just described your secret fantasy! You bet, baby Can't go into full detail. Maybe children reading or people eating pie
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Post by figo85 on Feb 3, 2024 14:31:00 GMT
Plenty of victims of domestic violence stay with the person that beats the crap out of them. Her getting back together with Greenwood means little one way or the other to be honest. Can't argue with that. My point is none of us know. And I doubt Bellingham has any more idea than you or me. On the face of it Greenwood seems like a pretty shitty bloke. But would I go about calling him a rapist when I don't actually know whether that's true or not then the answer is no. Bellingham should mind his own business lest he find himself in some compromising position in the future and he has people making false accusations against him. This sort of thing will go on in every single football game, at all levels.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 3, 2024 19:13:03 GMT
Can't argue with that. My point is none of us know. And I doubt Bellingham has any more idea than you or me. On the face of it Greenwood seems like a pretty shitty bloke. But would I go about calling him a rapist when I don't actually know whether that's true or not then the answer is no. Bellingham should mind his own business lest he find himself in some compromising position in the future and he has people making false accusations against him. All very true. Can’t argue with what you’ve said. Someone should tell Manchester United 👀 they probably know more than most though and they dropped him then sent him abroad on loan… be interesting to see whether he returns or is loaned again/sold Think man utd are just trying to ensure if possible they can get some cash on his eventual sale. Can't see him playing at old trafford again. The media wouldn't allow it....
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Post by a on Feb 3, 2024 19:28:14 GMT
All very true. Can’t argue with what you’ve said. Someone should tell Manchester United 👀 they probably know more than most though and they dropped him then sent him abroad on loan… be interesting to see whether he returns or is loaned again/sold Think man utd are just trying to ensure if possible they can get some cash on his eventual sale. Can't see him playing at old trafford again. The media wouldn't allow it.... Didn’t realise Man Utd were so powerless to be honest. If he was innocent then it’s appalling that such a massive club have cast him off.
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Post by grovepotter on Feb 4, 2024 20:42:26 GMT
More cops may mean more Tories behind bars ... there is a reason they are underfunded Right, and the earth is flat… Christ, did not realise you lot resided in sunny Stoke. Thought you were confined to the US
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Post by a on Feb 4, 2024 21:10:21 GMT
Right, and the earth is flat… Christ, did not realise you lot resided in sunny Stoke. Thought you were confined to the US That’s the thing with conspiracy theorists: they don’t realise they’re crazy 😂 The government is defunding the police to prevent themselves being investigated? 🤣👍
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