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Post by thepottypotter on Mar 14, 2023 22:34:31 GMT
How quickly does he make up ground when running back? He probably needs to add more going forward to be next level but I’m pleased he’s showing what he can do. I wasn’t sure when he spent so long out injured. When Hoever played against Brighton I thought he looked wretched going forward and decent in defence, but that was obviously rubbish as he’s now a Championship Cafu who, to me, looks like he could easily play in the PL if he carries on like he is. I’m still not convinced with Hoever defensively. Even tonight he was the one getting out of position and it led to stuff like Tuanzebe’s yellow. Ideally I’d want Sterling for right back and a new left back. Hoever’s a bloody good footballer though and would love it if we were in a place now where we could play him instead of Brown. We weren't safe in possession when Sterling was too far forward. Pearson loses it then they score. I still really like Sterling and he edges Hoever defensively. Hoever is really good going forwards. Its a nice debate to have!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2023 22:36:31 GMT
I’m still not convinced with Hoever defensively. Even tonight he was the one getting out of position and it led to stuff like Tuanzebe’s yellow. Ideally I’d want Sterling for right back and a new left back. Hoever’s a bloody good footballer though and would love it if we were in a place now where we could play him instead of Brown. We weren't safe in possession when Sterling was too far forward. Pearson loses it then they score. I still really like Sterling and he edges Hoever defensively. Hoever is really good going forwards. Its a nice debate to have! It is. I really rate Sterling though and think the better option is him at RB and a new left back going into next season. Hoever is getting better but I can’t let his positioning go 😂
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 14, 2023 22:36:41 GMT
How quickly does he make up ground when running back? He probably needs to add more going forward to be next level but I’m pleased he’s showing what he can do. I wasn’t sure when he spent so long out injured. When Hoever played against Brighton I thought he looked wretched going forward and decent in defence, but that was obviously rubbish as he’s now a Championship Cafu who, to me, looks like he could easily play in the PL if he carries on like he is. I’m still not convinced with Hoever defensively. Even tonight he was the one getting out of position and it led to stuff like Tuanzebe’s yellow. Ideally I’d want Sterling for right back and a new left back. Hoever’s a bloody good footballer though and would love it if we were in a place now where we could play him instead of Brown. They are opposites of each other and the balance seems to be working. Provided it’s not a complete fluke, if Hoever’s finishing is that good, he could become an attacker of sorts.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 14, 2023 22:37:25 GMT
You were doing so well Bayern, until you suggested Hoever play up front. You know I rate Sterling and I agree about a new starting left back. Tuanzebe looks imperious though and he’s only 75% fit.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 14, 2023 22:38:03 GMT
Sign them both, they are so much better than anything else weve had playing left back and right back since weve been relegated.
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Post by george2again on Mar 14, 2023 22:39:41 GMT
We weren't safe in possession when Sterling was too far forward. Pearson loses it then they score. I still really like Sterling and he edges Hoever defensively. Hoever is really good going forwards. Its a nice debate to have! It is. I really rate Sterling though and think the better option is him at RB and a new left back going into next season. Hoever is getting better but I can’t let his positioning go 😂 Ryan Manning , Swansea = left back
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 14, 2023 22:39:58 GMT
Sign them both, they are so much better than anything else weve had playing left back and right back since weve been relegated. Sterling doesn’t want to play at left back. He struggled more in the first half where someone with a decent left foot would not have.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Mar 14, 2023 22:43:03 GMT
Tymon suddenly nowhere to be seen.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2023 22:43:27 GMT
Tymon suddenly nowhere to be seen. Should have been sold last summer.
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Post by nonameface on Mar 14, 2023 23:03:59 GMT
It is. I really rate Sterling though and think the better option is him at RB and a new left back going into next season. Hoever is getting better but I can’t let his positioning go 😂 Ryan Manning , Swansea = left back In this league you probably couldn't find a more comparable player to Tymon if you tried. Good player, but Neil wants full backs to be good at defending.
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Post by blackpoolred on Mar 14, 2023 23:17:15 GMT
When was the last time we played 4 at the back without any square pegs and all 4 were half-decent?
Probably have to go back to the Berlin wall days - but for modern-day Stoke this is as close as it gets.
Yes, you could argue Sterling was out of position and despite his goals the jury is still out on Hoever defensively, but both a big improvement on what has gone before them.
I hope the team and squad of players we have realise they could be part of something positive going forward and commit to our club - big summer for all at SCFC and in many ways the blueprint is already set out for us.
We could have a half-decent squad come the start of the season, but we are currently quite a bit short in defensive areas - chronically in the centre of defence
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2023 23:19:53 GMT
When was the last time we played 4 at the back without any square pegs and all 4 were half-decent? Probably have to go back to the Berlin wall days - but for modern-day Stoke this is as close as it gets. Yes, you could argue Sterling was out of position and despite his goals the jury is still out on Hoever defensively, but both a big improvement on what has gone before them. I hope the team and squad of players we have realise they could be part of something positive going forward and commit to our club - big summer for all at SCFC and in many ways the blueprint is already set out for us. We could have a half-decent squad come the start of the season, but we are currently quite a bit short in defensive areas - chronically in the centre of defence Sterling is a square peg tbf.
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2023 23:22:37 GMT
You were doing so well Bayern, until you suggested Hoever play up front. You know I rate Sterling and I agree about a new starting left back. Tuanzebe looks imperious though and he’s only 75% fit. I think Tuanzebe looks good but not imperious. Some of his passing/clearances are extremely dodgy and he does get caught out of position sometimes but his speed helps him to recover.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 14, 2023 23:23:23 GMT
You were doing so well Bayern, until you suggested Hoever play up front. You know I rate Sterling and I agree about a new starting left back. Tuanzebe looks imperious though and he’s only 75% fit. I think Tuanzebe looks good but not imperious. Some of his passing/clearances are extremely dodgy and he does get caught out of position sometimes but his speed helps him to recover. His yellow today was because he was covering for Hoever.
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Post by thepottypotter on Mar 14, 2023 23:25:05 GMT
Tymon suddenly nowhere to be seen. Thankfully. One of the players who has promised much and delivered little.
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Post by mcw on Mar 14, 2023 23:27:43 GMT
When was the last time we played 4 at the back without any square pegs and all 4 were half-decent? Probably have to go back to the Berlin wall days - but for modern-day Stoke this is as close as it gets. Yes, you could argue Sterling was out of position and despite his goals the jury is still out on Hoever defensively, but both a big improvement on what has gone before them. I hope the team and squad of players we have realise they could be part of something positive going forward and commit to our club - big summer for all at SCFC and in many ways the blueprint is already set out for us. We could have a half-decent squad come the start of the season, but we are currently quite a bit short in defensive areas - chronically in the centre of defence First time in ages we have had four at the back that are quick, physical and generally all good on the ball. As soon as I saw the line up I thought this looks as strong in defence and midfield as I can remember. Unfortunately 5 of the 7 are loan players, which is a real shame as if we can keep them plus Sarkic then add to Campbell up front we will be a really really good team next season.
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 15, 2023 1:11:10 GMT
Two of the best athletes in this league. With good coaching they both have massive potential. Personally I think Hoever is showing himself to be a class above. He could be regular starter in the premier league in a few years time.
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Post by stokie1 on Mar 15, 2023 3:01:27 GMT
Tymon suddenly nowhere to be seen. Thankfully. One of the players who has promised much and delivered little. A bit harsh. At one point last season he was the only one who did deliver. I’m not his biggest fan and he doesn’t fit into this system now but I was still surprised he wasn’t on the bench today. Was he injured?
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Post by mtrstudent on Mar 15, 2023 3:37:47 GMT
Thankfully. One of the players who has promised much and delivered little. A bit harsh. At one point last season he was the only one who did deliver. I’m not his biggest fan and he doesn’t fit into this system now but I was still surprised he wasn’t on the bench today. Was he injured? I think he's a really effective championship LWB. I love his energy and his crossing is proper nasty to deal with. I think he'd be a multi-million player to anyone playing wingbacks but I want that system fucked off... I'd now happily lose him to keep Sterling or Hoever.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 6:36:05 GMT
Two of the best athletes in this league. With good coaching they both have massive potential. Personally I think Hoever is showing himself to be a class above. He could be regular starter in the premier league in a few years time. Defensively Hoever needs so much coaching. His goals in the last two have masked that side. He should have been hooked against Blackburn and last night him being out of position was the biggest issue the defence had. Clearly a very good footballer though.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Mar 15, 2023 20:16:16 GMT
Two of the best athletes in this league. With good coaching they both have massive potential. Personally I think Hoever is showing himself to be a class above. He could be regular starter in the premier league in a few years time. Defensively Hoever needs so much coaching. His goals in the last two have masked that side. He should have been hooked against Blackburn and last night him being out of position was the biggest issue the defence had. Clearly a very good footballer though. So you want to coach him to be more conservative? No thanks.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 20:19:23 GMT
Defensively Hoever needs so much coaching. His goals in the last two have masked that side. He should have been hooked against Blackburn and last night him being out of position was the biggest issue the defence had. Clearly a very good footballer though. So you want to coach him to be more conservative? No thanks. Imagine a full back knowing where to position himself, madness!
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Post by pushon on Mar 15, 2023 20:36:57 GMT
So you want to coach him to be more conservative? No thanks. Imagine a full back knowing where to position himself, madness! Could it be..that your opinion and the managers opinion of how Hoever should play positionaly are at odds?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 20:40:04 GMT
Imagine a full back knowing where to position himself, madness! Could it be..that your opinion and the managers opinion of how Hoever should play positionaly are at odds? Possibly of course but it has very little with how he attacks. It’s usually when he’s starting where he should be. He really struggles to hold position. Against Brereton he was properly torn a new one too.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 20:42:07 GMT
Pearson propping Hoever up good and proper!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 15, 2023 20:49:58 GMT
Pearson propping Hoever up good and proper! That’s what he’s there for
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Post by prestwichpotter on Mar 15, 2023 20:50:07 GMT
Pearson propping Hoever up good and proper! That’s literally what he’s there for, to step in for the full back or even the centre back as and when required. You’ll be telling us Makele propped up Ashley Cole next……..
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 15, 2023 20:51:33 GMT
Pearson propping Hoever up good and proper! That’s literally what he’s there for, to step in for the full back or even the centre back as and when required. You’ll be telling us Makele propped up Ashley Cole next…….. So often? And when he doesn’t it leads to the yellow card for Tuanzebe. Hoever’s positioning is dreadful.
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Post by pushon on Mar 15, 2023 20:52:14 GMT
Pearson propping Hoever up good and proper! I'd call it 'supporting'.Isn't that what a "Defensive Midfielder" is in the team for?
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Post by Northy on Mar 15, 2023 20:53:35 GMT
Pearson propping Hoever up good and proper! That’s literally what he’s there for, to step in for the full back or even the centre back as and when required. You’ll be telling us Makele propped up Ashley Cole next…….. And it may have been instructions from AN to play like that
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