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Post by duckling on Feb 19, 2023 10:55:37 GMT
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Post by musik on Feb 19, 2023 11:23:50 GMT
They have decided what words are offensive, and not only that, they have decided the value of persons based on those descriptions which is a completely different matter!
I had a communist teacher at school (well most of them were, some even ultra left), who didn't like the idea people were getting higher exams or higher wages if they achieved more, since according to her the people with lower education or lower wages were considered to be worth less as persons. She couldn't separate an efficiency level or production rate from the person itself.
Another problem is when everyone has to be included in books nowadays (at least where I live).
In the future you can't write a book about Stoke, since it's not also about Hull, Reading, Leeds, Luton ...
And it will be troublesome to write a crime story with a middle aged white Mr Autumn, since you have to include all the other aspects as well, different skin colours, younger AND older than him, different sex AND different gender, other body shapes etc. So it has to be 40 detectives entering the room at each time.
And you can't let the door knob be to the left of the door, since you would have to explain why it wasn't to the right to the editor, publishing company and readers here, so you would have to install two doors in each room or a saloon door rather, but then you will be asked why they can't come in from the roof instead ...
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Post by slash on Feb 19, 2023 13:08:58 GMT
the far right is banning books, the far left is "censoring" them. how can they not see this is the same thing?
they don't gotta burn the books, they just remove 'em
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Post by yeokel on Feb 19, 2023 13:09:27 GMT
“Puffin has hired sensitivity readers to rewrite chunks of the author’s text to make sure the books “can continue to be enjoyed by all today””
I’m surprised Puffin still allows itself to be know as that.
Surely Gayfin, or even Allfin would be much more inclusive for them?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2023 13:15:37 GMT
It’s a very sad state of affairs. Life will soon be a very different one to the one I grew up with and in most (not all) cases not for the better.
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Post by adri2008 on Feb 19, 2023 13:21:34 GMT
Gender-neutral terms have been added in places – where Charlie and the Chocolate Factory’s Oompa Loompas were “small men”, they are now “small people”. The Cloud-Men in James and the Giant Peach have become Cloud-People.How is small men offensive to anyone exactly? In The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.”Is just insanity? - Looks like they've lost their marbles at the publisher.
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Post by fullmetaljacket on Feb 19, 2023 13:24:30 GMT
The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.”
This is nuts.
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Post by musik on Feb 19, 2023 13:47:59 GMT
The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.” This is nuts. Most problematic is the last seven words: "there is certainly nothing wrong with that". Eehh, who said it was? |
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Post by musik on Feb 19, 2023 13:58:54 GMT
How is small men offensive to anyone exactly? Let me explain how it works within the book industry atm. I'm well aware of how they "think'. Everything written down here is according to them, the publishers et cetera. "Small men" is extremely offensive for a number of reasons. They would say this if you sent a manuscript to one of them, any of them: First of all, why are they men? Couldn't you have included women? Any what about everyone in between, why aren't they included? And the ones who see themselves as animals or bookshelves or not even born yet, what can I say to all of them when the mail inbox is filled with hate? And what's wrong with tall people? Many people in the world are tall. Didn't you know that? We don't want any texts based on judgement and prejudices. We can't publish this. You must understand that! Addition: I now see "small people" was accepted obviously in the example w R Dahl. That's generous. I'm not sure it would have been where I live. |
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Post by innocentbystander on Feb 19, 2023 14:47:57 GMT
Hats off to the person of non-specific gender who thought this one up : cheapest mass publicity possible.
No doubt they will "back down" due to "public pressure to "respect" the original author.
Seen it all before.
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Post by duckling on Feb 19, 2023 15:00:11 GMT
Hats off to the person of non-specific gender who thought this one up : cheapest mass publicity possible. No doubt they will "back down" due to "public pressure to "respect" the original author. Seen it all before. Last night, upon hearing the new edition of the books would have the ridiculous new wording, I bought a set of Roald Dahl books for my infant daughter to read in ~8 years, as I want to make sure she reads the old wording. So it certainly might create a short term spike in sales. |
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 19, 2023 15:20:16 GMT
The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.” This is nuts. Most problematic is the last seven words: "there is certainly nothing wrong with that". Eehh, who said it was? Reminds me of a course my colleagues and I were on once where we were told not to use phrases like “no problem” because it could suggest that there actually is a problem. |
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Post by thevoid on Feb 19, 2023 15:36:40 GMT
The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.” This is nuts. Most problematic is the last seven words: "there is certainly nothing wrong with that". Eehh, who said it was? No one apart from the fruitloops making these changes. Create a problem to solve a problem |
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Post by thevoid on Feb 19, 2023 15:42:02 GMT
Queue the inevitable argument-
"It's just a story, does it matter, more important stuff going on..."
Well if it doesn't matter then just leave the stories as the author wrote them as there are indeed much more important things going on in the world!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 19, 2023 15:49:01 GMT
I mean he’s a massive antisemite which isn’t cool but I certainly have no desire to airbrush his work…….
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Post by oggyoggy on Feb 19, 2023 15:51:55 GMT
It is a strange one. But then many may have said the same thing when Agatha Christie’s Ten Little N***ers was renamed.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 19, 2023 15:59:38 GMT
It is a strange one. But then many may have said the same thing when Agatha Christie’s Ten Little N***ers was renamed. You can see their point with that one, but here we're taking about Cloud People and bald witches. What next, Saru-they causing mayhem in Middle Earth? |
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Post by yeokel on Feb 19, 2023 16:09:45 GMT
It is a strange one. But then many may have said the same thing when Agatha Christie’s Ten Little N***ers was renamed. When my daughters were kiddies, eenie meenie, miney, mo used to include a line about catching a pickle by the toe. A pickle ffs. How many pickles have toes? |
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Post by yeokel on Feb 19, 2023 16:12:36 GMT
Gender-neutral terms have been added in places – where Charlie and the Chocolate Factory’s Oompa Loompas were “small men”, they are now “small people”. The Cloud-Men in James and the Giant Peach have become Cloud-People.How is small men offensive to anyone exactly? In The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.”Is just insanity? - Looks like they've lost their marbles at the publisher. " How is small men offensive to anyone exactly?" I'm sure we've all come across 'small man syndrome' one way or another. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2023 16:56:39 GMT
Gender-neutral terms have been added in places – where Charlie and the Chocolate Factory’s Oompa Loompas were “small men”, they are now “small people”. The Cloud-Men in James and the Giant Peach have become Cloud-People.How is small men offensive to anyone exactly? In The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.”Is just insanity? - Looks like they've lost their marbles at the publisher. They’re factual comments not insults |
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Post by musik on Feb 19, 2023 16:57:20 GMT
Gender-neutral terms have been added in places – where Charlie and the Chocolate Factory’s Oompa Loompas were “small men”, they are now “small people”. The Cloud-Men in James and the Giant Peach have become Cloud-People.How is small men offensive to anyone exactly? In The Witches, a paragraph explaining that witches are bald beneath their wigs ends with the new line: “There are plenty of other reasons why women might wear wigs and there is certainly nothing wrong with that.”Is just insanity? - Looks like they've lost their marbles at the publisher. " How is small men offensive to anyone exactly?" I'm sure we've all come across 'small man syndrome' one way or another. In Sweden the problem is "men". Not allowed to use. So it's about sex/gender first of all here. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2023 17:07:12 GMT
It feels like the silent majority and what they believe is less important than the very vocal minority who seem to be able to do and say what they want as basically anyone that questions their beliefs is “shamed.” or accused of being an “ist.”
Sooner or later the majority will have had enough of reading this blurb and start getting vocal themselves.
Saw this over the weekend
I think it sums things up perfectly in relation to the weirdness of it all.
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Post by musik on Feb 19, 2023 17:07:36 GMT
The problem is that they attribute a value to personal physical characteristics.
That's why you "must" not use words as disabled, black or man.
They should ask themselves, who has the prejudices?
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Post by musik on Feb 19, 2023 18:51:07 GMT
It is a strange one. But then many may have said the same thing when Agatha Christie’s Ten Little N***ers was renamed. They did. It's forbidden here in "liberal" Sweden. I have the original translation ... |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 19, 2023 19:24:55 GMT
The Mrs went shopping today, just to be on the safeside I asked her to pick me up some gingerbread earthlings.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 19, 2023 19:27:31 GMT
Surprised it took them so long
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 19, 2023 19:37:43 GMT
It feels like the silent majority and what they believe is less important than the very vocal minority who seem to be able to do and say what they want as basically anyone that questions their beliefs is “shamed.” or accused of being an “ist.” Sooner or later the majority will have had enough of reading this blurb and start getting vocal themselves. Saw this over the weekend I think it sums things up perfectly in relation to the weirdness of it all. How do you know what the so-called silent majority believe if they’re silent? |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2023 20:21:24 GMT
It feels like the silent majority and what they believe is less important than the very vocal minority who seem to be able to do and say what they want as basically anyone that questions their beliefs is “shamed.” or accused of being an “ist.” Sooner or later the majority will have had enough of reading this blurb and start getting vocal themselves. Saw this over the weekend I think it sums things up perfectly in relation to the weirdness of it all. How do you know what the so-called silent majority believe if they’re silent? I guess it’s generally from talking to either people I work with, friends or family. None of whom are particularly political but are sick to the back teeth of Sam Smith or the other divisive, attention seeking types telling people what they should think or be and wanting to change Roald Dahl or anything else they don’t agree with. What’s your thoughts on the video? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 19, 2023 20:22:15 GMT
How do you know what the so-called silent majority believe if they’re silent? I guess it’s generally from talking to either people I work with, friends or family. None of whom are particularly political but are sick to the back teeth of Sam Smith or the other divisive, attention seeking types telling people what they should think or be and wanting to change Roald Dahl or anything else they don’t agree with. He knew that |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2023 20:24:32 GMT
I guess it’s generally from talking to either people I work with, friends or family. None of whom are particularly political but are sick to the back teeth of Sam Smith or the other divisive, attention seeking types telling people what they should think or be and wanting to change Roald Dahl or anything else they don’t agree with. He knew that Didn’t want Presters to think I was winging it  |
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