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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 19, 2023 20:26:25 GMT
Didn’t want Presters to think I was winging it It’s unbelievable to imagine you talk to other people rather than going into social media for your fix of opinions isn’t it
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 19, 2023 21:03:09 GMT
I didn't know Badger's real name was Roald?
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Post by musik on Feb 19, 2023 21:11:24 GMT
It feels like the silent majority and what they believe is less important than the very vocal minority who seem to be able to do and say what they want as basically anyone that questions their beliefs is “shamed.” or accused of being an “ist.” Sweden has gone even further I'm afraid. Everyone has to be "included" nowadays. It has gone far too far. If any author mentions a guy and a girl from Portugal living together with no pets in a novel, it has to mean the author hates people not coming from Portugal, people with different sexual preferences, people with pets, and everyone at a different age than the main characters. And their only argument would be: "Why aren't they included then?" Unfortunately, I'm not kidding.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 19, 2023 21:15:44 GMT
It feels like the silent majority and what they believe is less important than the very vocal minority who seem to be able to do and say what they want as basically anyone that questions their beliefs is “shamed.” or accused of being an “ist.” Sweden has gone even further I'm afraid. Everyone has to be "included" nowadays. It has gone far too far. If any author mentions a guy and a girl from Portugal living together with no pets in a novel, it has to mean the author hates people not coming from Portugal, people with different sexual preferences, people with pets, and everyone at a different age than the main characters. And their only argument would be: "Why aren't they included then?" Unfortunately, I'm not kidding. No you are not kidding but you are talking rubbish.
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Post by slash on Feb 19, 2023 22:01:46 GMT
It feels like the silent majority and what they believe is less important than the very vocal minority who seem to be able to do and say what they want as basically anyone that questions their beliefs is “shamed.” or accused of being an “ist.” Sooner or later the majority will have had enough of reading this blurb and start getting vocal themselves. Saw this over the weekend I think it sums things up perfectly in relation to the weirdness of it all. this video was excellent. next, can the exact same people be asked what gay Black men are good for?
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 19, 2023 22:48:13 GMT
How do you know what the so-called silent majority believe if they’re silent? I guess it’s generally from talking to either people I work with, friends or family. None of whom are particularly political but are sick to the back teeth of Sam Smith or the other divisive, attention seeking types telling people what they should think or be and wanting to change Roald Dahl or anything else they don’t agree with. What’s your thoughts on the video? Clickbait shite……
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 19, 2023 22:48:55 GMT
Didn’t want Presters to think I was winging it It’s unbelievable to imagine you talk to other people rather than going into social media for your fix of opinions isn’t it He shared a clip from social media to make his point in case you missed that……
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 19, 2023 23:05:30 GMT
Is he still called Willy Wonka in the re-write? Must be incredibly offensive to anyone with a bent cock!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 19, 2023 23:05:46 GMT
I guess it’s generally from talking to either people I work with, friends or family. None of whom are particularly political but are sick to the back teeth of Sam Smith or the other divisive, attention seeking types telling people what they should think or be and wanting to change Roald Dahl or anything else they don’t agree with. What’s your thoughts on the video? Clickbait shite…… Hmmmmm. Bit dismissive that I’d say it’s clear prejudice just an unusual target in relation to the choice of white men.
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Post by musik on Feb 19, 2023 23:08:27 GMT
Sweden has gone even further I'm afraid. Everyone has to be "included" nowadays. It has gone far too far. If any author mentions a guy and a girl from Portugal living together with no pets in a novel, it has to mean the author hates people not coming from Portugal, people with different sexual preferences, people with pets, and everyone at a different age than the main characters. And their only argument would be: "Why aren't they included then?" Unfortunately, I'm not kidding. No you are not kidding but you are talking rubbish. Not at all. You will always be asked to defend your choices in detail at the publishing company. And asked to include everyone. And if you're not, then required to change the persons at least so they belong to minority groups. If you persist, then they won't bother ... Thank God for self publishing, until they've invented a new authority censoring everything published on the market.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 19, 2023 23:14:05 GMT
Hmmmmm. Bit dismissive that I’d say it’s clear prejudice just an unusual target in relation to the choice of white men. It’s a woman I know nothing about interviewing a few randoms for an unspecified news channel on Twitter. As a straight white man I certainly won’t be losing any sleep over it…….
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 20, 2023 0:20:24 GMT
Hmmmmm. Bit dismissive that I’d say it’s clear prejudice just an unusual target in relation to the choice of white men. It’s a woman I know nothing about interviewing a few randoms for an unspecified news channel on Twitter. As a straight white man I certainly won’t be losing any sleep over it……. I wouldn’t say randoms as I’d imagine they were chosen by the interviewer to give the answers they wanted to be given and it’ll have been heavily edited. Either that or it’s a bit like a BNP politician interviewing ‘randoms’ at an EDL march. Like you said though, click bait shite that the internet is full of to divide folk.
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Post by mtrstudent on Feb 20, 2023 0:45:54 GMT
I don't see a problem with it so long as they put a big symbol on it like "funny woke version". Like those traffic lights for sugar and fat on food at Tesco.
And maybe for balance release an extra offensive version.
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Post by cvillestokie on Feb 20, 2023 0:47:59 GMT
No you are not kidding but you are talking rubbish. Not at all. You will always be asked to defend your choices in detail at the publishing company. And asked to include everyone. And if you're not, then required to change the persons at least so they belong to minority groups. If you persist, then they won't bother ... Thank God for self publishing, until they've invented a new authority censoring everything published on the market. I’m pretty sure that there are plenty (PLENTY) of books that have a straight, white couple as a lead. There are plenty (PLENTY) more that have a straight, white male as a solo lead that then shags about (most detective novels). I don’t agree with rewriting novels. I think it’s unfair to the reader to deny of them of an opportunity to understand literature of that era and how it differs to now. I don’t agree that all novels now “include everyone” just because there is a little more diversity than there used to be.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 20, 2023 7:03:03 GMT
It’s a woman I know nothing about interviewing a few randoms for an unspecified news channel on Twitter. As a straight white man I certainly won’t be losing any sleep over it……. I wouldn’t say randoms as I’d imagine they were chosen by the interviewer to give the answers they wanted to be given and it’ll have been heavily edited. Either that or it’s a bit like a BNP politician interviewing ‘randoms’ at an EDL march. Like you said though, click bait shite that the internet is full of to divide folk. Spot on. I actually meant to post “randoms” it must have auto corrected…..
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 20, 2023 10:17:34 GMT
I think in some circumstances that language may need updating for children's books, but a lot of these changes seem way OTT. Looking at some of the changes makes me think the publishers needed to employ readers to point out where the sensitivity readers had gone too far.
They've butchered Dahl's language in places (what a great description cut - and children can find out what suet is):
"The plain plump person with the smug suet-pudding face" to "The plain person with the smug pudding face"
"A gigantic spray-gun in my hands and start pumping it" to "A gigantic spray-gun in my hands and start squirting them all"
This change seems to be saying there's something wrong with having a double chin: "You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and a double chin and stick-out teeth" to "You can have a wonky nose and a crooked mouth and stick-out teeth"
It's a fact that men are generally taller than women, in some places over 10% taller: "About twice the height of ordinary men"
to "About twice the average height of a person"
Great use of alliteration in the first one, cut to avoid using the word "maniacs": "… were driving their machines like maniacs…"
to "… were driving their machines with wild abandon…"
Words like "crazy" and "wild" removed throughout: “As soon as I discovered that the Oompa-Loompas were crazy about this particular food”
to “As soon as I discovered that the Oompa-Loompas loved this particular food”
Whatever ever anyone thinks about whether these two passages should have been replaced, the replacements just butcher Dahl's writing: "Aunt Sponge was terrifically fat,/And tremendously flabby at that./Her tummy and waist/Were as soggy as paste -/It was worse on the place where she sat!" to "Aunt Sponge was a nasty old brute,/And deserved to be squashed by the fruit!/We all felt a big bump/When we dropped with a thump./We left Aunt Sponge behind us/But you needn’t remind us /That we shouldn’t feel rotten,/For we haven’t forgotten/How spiteful she could be!"
"Aunt Spiker was thin as a wire,/And dry as a bone, only drier./She was so long and thin/If you carried her in/You could use her for poking the fire!" to "Aunt Spiker was much the same/And deserves half of the blame./Ta-ra, Aunt Spiker!/(Though we never did like her)/It’s sad but true./If only she knew,/How the absence of charm/Can do so much harm./With thoughts so frightful/One can’t be delightful/And now worms will have Spiker for tea!"
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 20, 2023 10:20:06 GMT
It’s a woman I know nothing about interviewing a few randoms for an unspecified news channel on Twitter. As a straight white man I certainly won’t be losing any sleep over it……. I wouldn’t say randoms as I’d imagine they were chosen by the interviewer to give the answers they wanted to be given and it’ll have been heavily edited. Either that or it’s a bit like a BNP politician interviewing ‘randoms’ at an EDL march. Like you said though, click bait shite that the internet is full of to divide folk. Plus the fact it's not exactly easy to think straight when a camera and microphone is randomly pushed into your face on the street with a completely out of context question or two.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 20, 2023 11:45:32 GMT
How does Charlie and the Chocolate factory end?
I've never reached the end as I become incandescent with rage at the idea of the umpa lumps being men.
I've written to Puffin to request an '...and the Lactose-Free Chocolate Factory' edition.
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Post by cheadlepotter on Feb 20, 2023 12:30:03 GMT
How does Charlie and the Chocolate factory end? I've never reached the end as I become incandescent with rage at the idea of the umpa lumps being men. I've written to Puffin to request an '...and the Lactose-Free Chocolate Factory' edition. I‘ve never started it. Should’ve been Charlene and the Chocolate factory. As for Willy Wonka, well…
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 20, 2023 12:31:09 GMT
I've written to Puffin to request an '...and the Lactose-Free Chocolate Factory' edition. You'll need to go on the Dark Chocolate Web for that...
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Post by hotterpotter on Feb 20, 2023 12:33:59 GMT
How does Charlie and the Chocolate factory end? I've never reached the end as I become incandescent with rage at the idea of the umpa lumps being men. I've written to Puffin to request an '...and the Lactose-Free Chocolate Factory' edition. I‘ve never started it. Should’ve been Charlene and the Chocolate factory. As for Willy Wonka, well… Apparently the original working title was "Willy Wanker and the Chick Lick Fucktory"
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Post by chuffedstokie on Feb 20, 2023 12:51:43 GMT
I didn't know Badger's real name was Roald? Badger Dahl, outlawed in all UK curry houses I believe. 😉
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 20, 2023 12:57:38 GMT
I didn't know Badger's real name was Roald? Badger Dahl, outlawed in all UK curry houses I believe. 😉 👏🏻 brilliant
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Post by andystokey on Feb 20, 2023 13:05:13 GMT
It is a strange one. But then many may have said the same thing when Agatha Christie’s Ten Little N***ers was renamed. I've got a classic Rupert annual with his visit to Coon Island. By having it still in existence tells us something about the era. Airbrushing novels is Orwellian. Surely we should be able to recognise that times have changed in art and literature. If the art is deleted we can't understand the time in which they were written, painted, sculpted or created.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 20, 2023 14:16:15 GMT
It is a strange one. But then many may have said the same thing when Agatha Christie’s Ten Little N***ers was renamed. I've got a classic Rupert annual with his visit to Coon Island. By having it still in existence tells us something about the era. Airbrushing novels is Orwellian. Surely we should be able to recognise that times have changed in art and literature. If the art is deleted we can't understand the time in which they were written, painted, sculpted or created. And I believe (well at least hope) that at some point in the future, we will look back on the first few decades of the 21st Century as having lurched way too far in it's wokeness, as things start to spring back to a more balanced position. You only have to look at the BBC's recent production of The War of the Worlds, to see a great literary novel destroyed by woke sensibilities.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 20, 2023 14:33:07 GMT
It feels like the silent majority and what they believe is less important than the very vocal minority who seem to be able to do and say what they want as basically anyone that questions their beliefs is “shamed.” or accused of being an “ist.” Sooner or later the majority will have had enough of reading this blurb and start getting vocal themselves. Saw this over the weekend I think it sums things up perfectly in relation to the weirdness of it all. How do you know what the so-called silent majority believe if they’re silent? I wonder if a lot of people think twice about posting conservative (with a small c) views on social media after seeing how JK Rowling, Sharron Davies and others have been treated by keyboard warriors? Especially as employers probably 'think check' by scanning applicants' socials these days before even offering an interview. I've seen numerous stories about people's employment being under threat for going against the liberal grain, this being a particularly worrying one: www.westernstandard.news/news/limited-run-games-employee-fired-for-following-conservative-twitter-accounts/article_100e9d42-912c-11ed-9f7a-7b87ed3f9ca6.htmlI'd also suggest that while extreme right wing posts are removed from sites (no problem with that obviously), some of the more extreme left wing content (which is seen as more 'fashionable' in certain circles) is seen to be more virtuous and, ergo, acceptable
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 20, 2023 15:51:15 GMT
How do you know what the so-called silent majority believe if they’re silent? I wonder if a lot of people think twice about posting conservative (with a small c) views on social media after seeing how JK Rowling, Sharron Davies and others have been treated by keyboard warriors? Especially as employers probably 'think check' by scanning applicants' socials these days before even offering an interview. I've seen numerous stories about people's employment being under threat for going against the liberal grain, this being a particularly worrying one: www.westernstandard.news/news/limited-run-games-employee-fired-for-following-conservative-twitter-accounts/article_100e9d42-912c-11ed-9f7a-7b87ed3f9ca6.htmlI'd also suggest that while extreme right wing posts are removed from sites (no problem with that obviously), some of the more extreme left wing content (which is seen as more 'fashionable' in certain circles) is seen to be more virtuous and, ergo, acceptable You got any facts to back that up? What is the "extreme left wing content" that you think is accepted on social media just out of interest? JK Rowling has a team of lawyers shutting people down on social media so I'm sure she'll be fine, she has her opinions and they're certainly different to a lot of women I know but aligning herself to obvious transphobes I don't think is a particularly good look........
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 20, 2023 17:47:07 GMT
It is a strange one. But then many may have said the same thing when Agatha Christie’s Ten Little N***ers was renamed. I've got a classic Rupert annual with his visit to Coon Island. By having it still in existence tells us something about the era. Airbrushing novels is Orwellian. Surely we should be able to recognise that times have changed in art and literature. If the art is deleted we can't understand the time in which they were written, painted, sculpted or created. Bill Badger's a well known race baiter.
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Post by andystokey on Feb 20, 2023 19:10:01 GMT
I've got a classic Rupert annual with his visit to Coon Island. By having it still in existence tells us something about the era. Airbrushing novels is Orwellian. Surely we should be able to recognise that times have changed in art and literature. If the art is deleted we can't understand the time in which they were written, painted, sculpted or created. Bill Badger's a well known race baiter. I think you enjoy a bit of badger baiting yourself.
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Post by iancransonsknees on Feb 20, 2023 19:13:07 GMT
Bill Badger's a well known race baiter. I think you enjoy a bit of badger baiting yourself. That's animal cruelty. It's the more acceptable face of discrimination.
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