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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 10:28:25 GMT
He reminds me a bit of Lee Chapman.  It's the hair Much better touch than Chapman but Chapman was bigger |
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Post by a on Sept 1, 2024 10:42:54 GMT
Looks like a loan was the right decision by the club. Minutes minutes minutes.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 1, 2024 10:45:41 GMT
Some of the comments on here Jesus, he’s 18 years old, how can you say at this stage that he won’t make it in the Championship. Laughable really, he’s had a good start in league two, he may go on to score 20 league goals and then people will be saying he’s too good for league two. Look at Liam Delap, all over the place when he was on loan with us, and yesterday he scored his first Premier League goal. Give him time ffs. It's called an opinion, when you see a young player you either get a vibe he's good enough or it'll be a struggle, right?.. do you just want people to sit on their hands and keep their mouths shut? As for my own opinion, I've not been disrespectful to him or disparaging. |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Sept 1, 2024 11:29:12 GMT
Some of the comments on here Jesus, he’s 18 years old, how can you say at this stage that he won’t make it in the Championship. Laughable really, he’s had a good start in league two, he may go on to score 20 league goals and then people will be saying he’s too good for league two. Look at Liam Delap, all over the place when he was on loan with us, and yesterday he scored his first Premier League goal. Give him time ffs. It's called an opinion, when you see a young player you either get a vibe he's good enough or it'll be a struggle, right?.. do you just want people to sit on their hands and keep their mouths shut? As for my own opinion, I've not been disrespectful to him or disparaging. It is also my opinion to think that those writing him off based upon a vibe are being very harsh and a tad ridiculous. |
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 1, 2024 11:31:23 GMT
The loan is obviously good for him and playing against seasoned pros who will kick him about,but ultimately help develop him ,can only be a good thing. If he does well this season then at the very least the lad can make it in that league. Still reckon it’s at least another couple of years before you can get a better assessment of what level he could end up at and he will only be 20. We’ve had and do have enough sub standard strikers who can’t cut it at championship level who are too old to get any better……Nathan has time on his side.
I’m glad he’s doing what he is now and it only bodes well for the future,
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:32:28 GMT
It's called an opinion, when you see a young player you either get a vibe he's good enough or it'll be a struggle, right?.. do you just want people to sit on their hands and keep their mouths shut? As for my own opinion, I've not been disrespectful to him or disparaging. It is also my opinion to think that those writing him off based upon a vibe are being very harsh and a tad ridiculous. No one is writing him off 🤣 |
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Sept 1, 2024 11:33:49 GMT
It is also my opinion to think that those writing him off based upon a vibe are being very harsh and a tad ridiculous. No one is writing him off 🤣 Ive read posts with people saying he won’t make it in the Championship, isn’t that writing him off at that level? |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 11:36:02 GMT
No one is writing him off 🤣 Ive read posts with people saying he won’t make it in the Championship, isn’t that writing him off at that level? Yes it is |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:37:09 GMT
No one is writing him off 🤣 Ive read posts with people saying he won’t make it in the Championship, isn’t that writing him off at that level? It’s their opinion. And no I don’t think it’s writing him off. It’s just the feel they get. And that’s fine. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 11:40:22 GMT
Ive read posts with people saying he won’t make it in the Championship, isn’t that writing him off at that level? It’s their opinion. And no I don’t think it’s writing him off. It’s just the feel they get. And that’s fine. You are contradicting your self You can't on the one hand argue he's not going to make it higher than League 1 and the other day that's not writing him off |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 1, 2024 11:41:17 GMT
It's called an opinion, when you see a young player you either get a vibe he's good enough or it'll be a struggle, right?.. do you just want people to sit on their hands and keep their mouths shut? As for my own opinion, I've not been disrespectful to him or disparaging. It is also my opinion to think that those writing him off based upon a vibe are being very harsh and a tad ridiculous. It would be equally ridiculous to suggest every young player coming through will make it because we all know that's not the case. I'm hoping to be proven wrong, I'm not going to sit here and cry if he improves. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:42:49 GMT
It’s their opinion. And no I don’t think it’s writing him off. It’s just the feel they get. And that’s fine. You are contradicting your self You can't on the one hand argue he's not going to make it higher than League 1 and the other day that's not writing him off It’s not writing him off 🤣 And if it is then from what I’ve been told oeoooe in the academy have as well and that of course isn’t the case. I think he’ll be a good League One player and could do ok in the Champo maybe. And that’s fine. It’s better than 99.99% of the population. Just some people getting their knickers in a twist over nothing 🤣 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 11:44:04 GMT
It is also my opinion to think that those writing him off based upon a vibe are being very harsh and a tad ridiculous. It would be equally ridiculous to suggest every young player coming through will make it because we all know that's not the case. I'm hoping to be proven wrong, I'm not going to sit here and cry if he improves. Becoming a league footballer is making it. He’s already made it imo. Which makes these people getting angsty even funnier/ridiculous. |
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 1, 2024 11:45:19 GMT
It would be equally ridiculous to suggest every young player coming through will make it because we all know that's not the case. I'm hoping to be proven wrong, I'm not going to sit here and cry if he improves. Becoming a league footballer is making it. He’s already made it imo. Which makes these people getting angsty even funnier/ridiculous. Okay, but I'm talking in regards to making it with us. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 1, 2024 11:54:51 GMT
He reminds me a bit of Lee Chapman. It's the hair Much better touch than Chapman but Chapman was bigger ...and was a goal machine at the highest level as well!  |
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Post by werrington on Sept 1, 2024 12:01:28 GMT
Some of the comments on here Jesus, he’s 18 years old, how can you say at this stage that he won’t make it in the Championship. Laughable really, he’s had a good start in league two, he may go on to score 20 league goals and then people will be saying he’s too good for league two. Look at Liam Delap, all over the place when he was on loan with us, and yesterday he scored his first Premier League goal. Give him time ffs. It's called an opinion, when you see a young player you either get a vibe he's good enough or it'll be a struggle, right?.. do you just want people to sit on their hands and keep their mouths shut? As for my own opinion, I've not been disrespectful to him or disparaging. You do but history shows it’s best not to just write somebody off after a few games Over the years we’ve seen it in abundance and ( no doubt before your time and social media ) we had Stoke fans crucifying a very young Steve Bould ( whatever happened to him ) and following promotion and our defeat at Bolton after which Pulis dropped Shawcross ( whatever happened to him) we had this place imploring Stoke to loan him out ( Derby and Ipswich were after him ) as he wasn’t good enough for the premiership after ONE game It’s always best to give people a chance and not a few games |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 12:06:01 GMT
Becoming a league footballer is making it. He’s already made it imo. Which makes these people getting angsty even funnier/ridiculous. Okay, but I'm talking in regards to making it with us. As was abundantly clear |
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 1, 2024 12:18:41 GMT
It's the hair Much better touch than Chapman but Chapman was bigger ...and was a goal machine at the highest level as well! I hope that this isn’t a moment when something has gone straight over my head but, Chapman was hardly a goal machine ? He would comfortably get into double figures but he was more of a target man who formed good partnerships, he would struggle in today’s game due to the pace and required technical standard, but then would a modern day striker even survive against the legendary hard men pre-Premier League ? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 12:23:00 GMT
...and was a goal machine at the highest level as well! I hope that this isn’t a moment when something has gone straight over my head but, Chapman was hardly a goal machine ? He would comfortably get into double figures but he was more of a target man who formed good partnerships, he would struggle in today’s game due to the pace and required technical standard, but then would a modern day striker even survive against the legendary hard men pre-Premier League ? What was the feeling around Chapman at the time? Because my Dad was a pro around the same time and he won’t say a good word about Chapman and it makes me laugh because my Dad is totally laid back and doesn’t hold grudges etc so his view is what he thinks. He thought he was an absolutely shit footballer. And he had a million times better career than my Dad and that’s why it makes me laugh even more that he’s so adamant at how shit he was. |
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Post by werrington on Sept 1, 2024 12:31:45 GMT
I hope that this isn’t a moment when something has gone straight over my head but, Chapman was hardly a goal machine ? He would comfortably get into double figures but he was more of a target man who formed good partnerships, he would struggle in today’s game due to the pace and required technical standard, but then would a modern day striker even survive against the legendary hard men pre-Premier League ? What was the feeling around Chapman at the time? Because my Dad was a pro around the same time and he won’t say a good word about Chapman and it makes me laugh because my Dad is totally laid back and doesn’t hold grudges etc so his view is what he thinks. He thought he was an absolutely shit footballer. And he had a million times better career than my Dad and that’s why it makes me laugh even more that he’s so adamant at how shit he was. Chapman got absolutely slaughtered and mocked by the Stoke fans Fools |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 1, 2024 12:36:11 GMT
What was the feeling around Chapman at the time? Because my Dad was a pro around the same time and he won’t say a good word about Chapman and it makes me laugh because my Dad is totally laid back and doesn’t hold grudges etc so his view is what he thinks. He thought he was an absolutely shit footballer. And he had a million times better career than my Dad and that’s why it makes me laugh even more that he’s so adamant at how shit he was. Chapman got absolutely slaughtered and mocked by the Stoke fans Fools So it was a common viewpoint then! Interesting. My Dad is still adamant he wasn’t very good 🤣🤣 |
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Post by werrington on Sept 1, 2024 12:39:52 GMT
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 1, 2024 12:41:06 GMT
I hope that this isn’t a moment when something has gone straight over my head but, Chapman was hardly a goal machine ? He would comfortably get into double figures but he was more of a target man who formed good partnerships, he would struggle in today’s game due to the pace and required technical standard, but then would a modern day striker even survive against the legendary hard men pre-Premier League ? What was the feeling around Chapman at the time? Because my Dad was a pro around the same time and he won’t say a good word about Chapman and it makes me laugh because my Dad is totally laid back and doesn’t hold grudges etc so his view is what he thinks. He thought he was an absolutely shit footballer. And he had a million times better career than my Dad and that’s why it makes me laugh even more that he’s so adamant at how shit he was. Well he was pretty crap as a general footballer. Not good control or anything. But he had the heart of a lion and generally got himself hurt most games trying to win headers and go in where it hurts. So he scored a lot of his goals just by busting a gut getting on the end of crosses, as I remember. But indeed probably one of the lowest skilled footballers to make it in the First Division. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 1, 2024 12:49:22 GMT
...and was a goal machine at the highest level as well! I hope that this isn’t a moment when something has gone straight over my head but, Chapman was hardly a goal machine ? He would comfortably get into double figures but he was more of a target man who formed good partnerships, he would struggle in today’s game due to the pace and required technical standard, but then would a modern day striker even survive against the legendary hard men pre-Premier League ? Think he was a regular goalscorer for Leeds at the highest level if my memory is right. He also scored close to 20 one season for us I think, but not at the highest level though. |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 12:53:15 GMT
What was the feeling around Chapman at the time? Because my Dad was a pro around the same time and he won’t say a good word about Chapman and it makes me laugh because my Dad is totally laid back and doesn’t hold grudges etc so his view is what he thinks. He thought he was an absolutely shit footballer. And he had a million times better career than my Dad and that’s why it makes me laugh even more that he’s so adamant at how shit he was. Well he was pretty crap as a general footballer. Not good control or anything. But he had the heart of a lion and generally got himself hurt most games trying to win headers and go in where it hurts. So he scored a lot of his goals just by busting a gut getting on the end of crosses, as I remember. But indeed probably one of the lowest skilled footballers to make it in the First Division. He'd be binned off at 16 these days as he was a donkey But his goal scoring record at top level was outstanding Also I think it's well known he wasn't popular with his team mates at the time as was a bit of a knob Paul Dyson headbut on Chapman was one of the few highlights of 84/85 |
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2024 12:54:42 GMT
I hope that this isn’t a moment when something has gone straight over my head but, Chapman was hardly a goal machine ? He would comfortably get into double figures but he was more of a target man who formed good partnerships, he would struggle in today’s game due to the pace and required technical standard, but then would a modern day striker even survive against the legendary hard men pre-Premier League ? Think he was a regular goalscorer for Leeds at the highest level if my memory is right. He also scored close to 20 one season for us I think, but not at the highest level though. Yes he did, first division under Durban, scored well into the teens in a struggling side Also scored our last top flight hat trick away from home Edit: he scored 16 that season 35 in 101 Stoke games, nearly all in top flight Outstanding really but he was thoroughly disliked by many Couldn't understand it as a young kid at the time |
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Post by maine on Sept 1, 2024 13:40:07 GMT
I wasn't a fan of Lee Chapman at all. I don't think he'd have done much in today's football operating as a single striker. He definitely benefitted from the 2 striker systems. Wholehearted though-and lots of effort.
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Post by Numismatist on Sept 1, 2024 13:46:59 GMT
Seem to recall us singing ‘Big, daft Chapman’ from the Lowfields pen when he played for them at Elland Road.
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Post by biddulphchav on Sept 1, 2024 14:38:14 GMT
Some of the comments on here Jesus, he’s 18 years old, how can you say at this stage that he won’t make it in the Championship. Laughable really, he’s had a good start in league two, he may go on to score 20 league goals and then people will be saying he’s too good for league two. Look at Liam Delap, all over the place when he was on loan with us, and yesterday he scored his first Premier League goal. Give him time ffs. It's called an opinion, when you see a young player you either get a vibe he's good enough or it'll be a struggle, right?.. do you just want people to sit on their hands and keep their mouths shut? As for my own opinion, I've not been disrespectful to him or disparaging. To be fair, I think it’s a hunch rather than an opinion per se. That goes both ways of course. He may make it at this level, he may not. Other than his coaches, I can’t see how anyone can really have much of an opinion? Even then, the coaches are often wrong with young players (we’ve all seen that happen many times with so many different players). |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 1, 2024 14:51:39 GMT
Think he was a regular goalscorer for Leeds at the highest level if my memory is right. He also scored close to 20 one season for us I think, but not at the highest level though. Yes he did, first division under Durban, scored well into the teens in a struggling side Also scored our last top flight hat trick away from home Edit: he scored 16 that season 35 in 101 Stoke games, nearly all in top flight Outstanding really but he was thoroughly disliked by many Couldn't understand it as a young kid at the time Was rumoured to be a wife beater too later in his career. I guess that at least made him unpopular. At least I remember I changed my view on him after I heard that. |
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