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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 23, 2024 12:12:10 GMT
If he carries on I’d certainly be reviewing it in January, you know others would be if he was banging them in for us on loan.
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 23, 2024 12:22:23 GMT
He's far better than any other striker we have atm. This is the player who looked way out of his depth in his appearances for us! He has found his level, at this stage in his career, and hopefully will continue to develop at Walsall coming back to us much improved. However, he is some distance away from being ready for us yet, as is Tezgel. We always used Nath as a lone striker, which like Cannon is completely beyond him. At Walsall though, Nath is benefiting greatly from having a strike partner. However, Pèlach's tactics don't involve a partner striker as such, and I think Nath is still some way off from playing in a Gallagher role. |
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Post by PenkPonther on Oct 23, 2024 13:25:14 GMT
Some Sam Vokes stats, to remind us of how much harder it is to score in the Championship, than in a lower League;
2020:2021, appearances 30 goals 0 (Championship: Stoke.)
2021:2022, appearances 43, goals 16! (Division 1: Wycombe.)
Now if that big pudding can go goal-crazy in Div 1, that probably explains why Nathan Lowe is bagging a few (and in an even lower division!)
Doesn't mean he can score in the Championship yet though.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Oct 23, 2024 13:47:52 GMT
Some Sam Vokes stats, to remind us of how much harder it is to score in the Championship, than in a lower League; 2020:2021, appearances 30 goals 0 (Championship: Stoke.) 2021:2022, appearances 43, goals 16! (Division 1: Wycombe.) Now if that big pudding can go goal-crazy in Div 1, that probably explains why Nathan Lowe is bagging a few (and in an even lower division!) Doesn't mean he can score in the Championship yet though. Nathan Lowe did score in the championship last season though… |
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Post by PenkPonther on Oct 23, 2024 14:18:25 GMT
I take your point; as he has scored one goal, my last sentence should perhaps instead read
"Doesn't mean he can score REGULARLY in the Championship yet though."
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Post by bolders on Oct 23, 2024 14:30:41 GMT
Would it be worth looking for a team in the div above him in Jan to see if he can hack it there first
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Post by femark on Oct 23, 2024 14:42:11 GMT
You only have to look at the players around him in the League 2 top scorer charts to realise that scoring in that league doesn't necessarily translate to being a good championship striker.
Will Grigg
Andy Cook
Michael Cheek
David McGoldrick
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Post by PottersBrim on Oct 23, 2024 14:43:00 GMT
Would it be worth looking for a team in the div above him in Jan to see if he can hack it there first That would also gives us a chance to see how he performs against opponents we'll be facing next season. |
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Oct 23, 2024 14:47:18 GMT
As long as he fucks the vale over first then perhaps bring him back.. no he is best where he is get some confidence improve his game and experience same with simkin and If the worst does happen we could have ready made players to replace those that would leave.
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Post by anchorman on Oct 23, 2024 16:21:46 GMT
This is the player who looked way out of his depth in his appearances for us! He has found his level, at this stage in his career, and hopefully will continue to develop at Walsall coming back to us much improved. However, he is some distance away from being ready for us yet, as is Tezgel. We always used Nath as a lone striker, which like Cannon is completely beyond him. At Walsall though, Nath is benefiting greatly from having a strike partner. However, Pèlach's tactics don't involve a partner striker as such, and I think Nath is still some way off from playing in a Gallagher role. And unfortunately for us, Gallagher's some way off from playing in the Gallagher role right now! |
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Post by lordb on Oct 23, 2024 17:47:41 GMT
Some Sam Vokes stats, to remind us of how much harder it is to score in the Championship, than in a lower League; 2020:2021, appearances 30 goals 0 (Championship: Stoke.) 2021:2022, appearances 43, goals 16! (Division 1: Wycombe.) Now if that big pudding can go goal-crazy in Div 1, that probably explains why Nathan Lowe is bagging a few (and in an even lower division!) Doesn't mean he can score in the Championship yet though. An obvious difference is Vokes was a decent player at Championship level but past it by the time we had him whereas Lore is a kid building his career,who knows how much better he will get? |
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Post by PenkPonther on Oct 24, 2024 8:57:32 GMT
Agreed 100% that Nathan still could be one for the future, which is why I wrote that he can't score (i.e. regularly) in the Championship "yet".
Hopefully he learns his trade out on loan in the lower leagues, before later becoming a regular scorer at a higher level. If he could become the next Harry Kane in that regard, that would be nice! 😉😁
But at the moment I suspect he is exactly where he needs to be. 👍
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 24, 2024 9:08:30 GMT
He needs to carry on doing what he's doing, keep scoring goals and then go through the leagues raising his level to the highest he possibly can. Hopefully one day he will be good enough to grace the Premier League
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Post by Gabrielzakuaniandjuliet on Oct 24, 2024 11:41:24 GMT
One option that hasn't been mentioned (I think) is January recall and loan to league one. So many teams did this last year and we might get stung by it too with the likes of koumas and moran. If he's on close to 15 goals at Christmas, it might be worth a look
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Post by Clem Fandango on Oct 24, 2024 11:46:46 GMT
One option that hasn't been mentioned (I think) is January recall and loan to league one. So many teams did this last year and we might get stung by it too with the likes of koumas and moran. If he's on close to 15 goals at Christmas, it might be worth a look Yeah it seems to be the going trend to alter the loan part way through the season. Personally I’d keep him where he is. As a striker a lot of it is confidence and a season of potentially double figures in league two for a 19 yr old seems like great development for me. He might not get that a league higher and could end up on the periphery of another team. |
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Post by monsoonmoon on Oct 24, 2024 12:09:55 GMT
One option that hasn't been mentioned (I think) is January recall and loan to league one. So many teams did this last year and we might get stung by it too with the likes of koumas and moran. If he's on close to 15 goals at Christmas, it might be worth a look Think that one depends a lot on the specific loan. If we are trying to develop an affiliate type link with Walsall, then we’ve got to keep them onside a little particularly with Simkin already there. Recalling Lowe would be a huge blow for Walsall and their promotion chances, which in-turn would be quite damaging to the long-term relationship with them. |
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Post by OldStokie on Oct 24, 2024 12:37:26 GMT
Only if we're desperate should we recall him. He's doing great where he is and learning his trade while he's there. Definitely one for the future. Well done Nathan.
OS.
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Post by questionable on Oct 24, 2024 15:35:49 GMT
Agreed 100% that Nathan still could be one for the future, which is why I wrote that he can't score (i.e. regularly) in the Championship "yet". Hopefully he learns his trade out on loan in the lower leagues, before later becoming a regular scorer at a higher level. If he could become the next Harry Kane in that regard, that would be nice! 😉😁 But at the moment I suspect he is exactly where he needs to be. 👍 None of our current players can score on a regular basis, let alone keep themselves fit which I’d always assumed was a must |
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Post by nonameface on Oct 24, 2024 17:13:12 GMT
One option that hasn't been mentioned (I think) is January recall and loan to league one. So many teams did this last year and we might get stung by it too with the likes of koumas and moran. If he's on close to 15 goals at Christmas, it might be worth a look Think that one depends a lot on the specific loan. If we are trying to develop an affiliate type link with Walsall, then we’ve got to keep them onside a little particularly with Simkin already there. Recalling Lowe would be a huge blow for Walsall and their promotion chances, which in-turn would be quite damaging to the long-term relationship with them. Think it was reported at the time he went to Walsall he’d rejected league one offers because he thought Walsall was the best place. Would be surprised to see that thought change, unless the previous clubs were poor places for him to develop and now better development opportunities have come through. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 24, 2024 17:39:05 GMT
I'm sat in the Bescot Stadium car park typing this before lad trains.
Nathan is loved here, is scoring and assisting, and importantly, is in a team that's flying. It's a great little club and the coaching is superb. Prefer him carry on here than go up a league and play in a struggling team. Real good buzz by junction 9 at the moment......
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 24, 2024 18:27:32 GMT
Nathan Lowe went to Walsall in LEAGUE 2 because he wasn’t ready for the championship and at this present moment in his career he’s found his level.I really hope he does well but I really don’t get the clamour for his return at all🤷♂️
As for Walsall I still remember them as a horrible little club that our fans had no time for 20 years ago so why that would change now I’m not too sure but each to their own
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Post by questionable on Oct 25, 2024 9:48:22 GMT
Nathan Lowe went to Walsall in LEAGUE 2 because he wasn’t ready for the championship and at this present moment in his career he’s found his level.I really hope he does well but I really don’t get the clamour for his return at all🤷♂️ As for Walsall I still remember them as a horrible little club that our fans had no time for 20 years ago so why that would change now I’m not too sure but each to their own I’d honestly see us a Division One team and certainly have him on our bench as opposed to Ennis and Tezgel. |
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Oct 25, 2024 10:19:27 GMT
Fair play to the lad, he has the most goal contributions of anyone in the league. With 6 goals and 3 assists in only 10 games. Grigg and Cook who are both above him for goals on 7, have played 12 and 13 games respectively.
It's leageu 2 of course and I don't honestly think he's going to reach the highest levels of the game but it is early doors and he's absolutely providing that already he's more than just good enough for league 2, he's excelling there easily. I'd let him go nuts at that league this season to really give him the confidence, let him try and fire in 20+. Then see how he gets on next season either with us, struggling at the bottom of the Championship again or god forbid League 1, or get him another solid loan where he'll get game time in League 1 himself.
He's a player we can't lose anything on so good luck to the lad.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Oct 25, 2024 10:31:19 GMT
I think the best thing for his overall progression (both in terms of on the pitch but also his maturity off the field) would be to stay at the Bescot until the new year, bag a brace against Vale in December, waft his willy in front of the baying sloths of the Bycars End, and then we can discuss his future as a Stoke player.
Every player needs a pathway, and this seems like a reasonable way forward to me.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 25, 2024 11:11:18 GMT
This is the player who looked way out of his depth in his appearances for us! He has found his level, at this stage in his career, and hopefully will continue to develop at Walsall coming back to us much improved. However, he is some distance away from being ready for us yet, as is Tezgel. We always used Nath as a lone striker, which like Cannon is completely beyond him. At Walsall though, Nath is benefiting greatly from having a strike partner. However, Pèlach's tactics don't involve a partner striker as such, and I think Nath is still some way off from playing in a Gallagher role. Peach plays 4-4-2 with a striking partnership up front |
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Post by shakermaker on Oct 25, 2024 16:18:17 GMT
We always used Nath as a lone striker, which like Cannon is completely beyond him. At Walsall though, Nath is benefiting greatly from having a strike partner. However, Pèlach's tactics don't involve a partner striker as such, and I think Nath is still some way off from playing in a Gallagher role. Peach plays 4-4-2 with a striking partnership up front Gallagher to me is more of a support striker. Against Portsmouth, he seemed to play in the hole between midfield and the forward. Whereas at Walsall, Nath gets a traditional strike partner. |
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Post by mtrstudent on Oct 25, 2024 16:23:52 GMT
It's always a gamble going to a new club. It's good when you fit the system and thrive.
Looks like Lowe has hit the jackpot so why move him on unless we're sure he's gonna be worth regular game time with us?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 25, 2024 16:40:57 GMT
Div 1 loan,if he does we'll in that league,he could be a big assett next season,if this season goes tit's up for us.
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Post by kjpt140v on Oct 27, 2024 15:39:24 GMT
If he carries on I’d certainly be reviewing it in January, you know others would be if he was banging them in for us on loan. It seems to me that when players move on the score goals, having not scored with us. When these players are not doing it for us they are labelled unless, but they aren't. It is not the players that are at fault it is our system. |
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 27, 2024 15:40:27 GMT
Didn’t score yesterday…..lads let himself go 😉😂
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