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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Feb 7, 2023 21:19:05 GMT
His thoughts on Saido were interesting. If only we'd asked his opinion before spunking a fortune on the biggest waste of space to have ever pulled on a Stoke shirt. He must've laughed his cock off, and who could blame him. Just the opposite, he's told me about this and I don't want to repeat it but I will say, T.P. loves Stoke and always will. If Peter or John Coates would have called him about any player, he would tell him the truth. He respects Stoke and the Coates family so much.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Feb 7, 2023 21:30:13 GMT
I have so much love for the team he built us from 07-12. Fantastic bloke. Thanks TP I have even more love for the team both Pulis and Mark Hughes built. The football under Hughes for 3 or 4 years was quite likely the best we will ever see at Stoke in our lifetime. Arnie, Shaq, Bojan, Crouch - outrageous forward line!
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 7, 2023 21:30:51 GMT
Thoroughly enjoyed watching that.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 7, 2023 22:09:23 GMT
He must've laughed his cock off, and who could blame him. Just the opposite, he's told me about this and I don't want to repeat it but I will say, T.P. loves Stoke and always will. If Peter or John Coates would have called him about any player, he would tell him the truth. He respects Stoke and the Coates family so much. I’m not saying he doesn’t care about the club. If anyone had come in with a silly money offer for a waster he couldn’t give away he’d have been delighted, that’s my point. Any manager would. I don’t believe for a second he’d have advised us not to sign him, it would have been a conflict of interests and a dereliction of duty to his employers.
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Post by lordb on Feb 7, 2023 22:11:59 GMT
Just the opposite, he's told me about this and I don't want to repeat it but I will say, T.P. loves Stoke and always will. If Peter or John Coates would have called him about any player, he would tell him the truth. He respects Stoke and the Coates family so much. I’m not saying he doesn’t care about the club. If anyone had come in with a silly money offer for a waster he couldn’t give away he’d have been delighted, that’s my point. Any manager would. I don’t believe for a second he’d have advised us not to sign him, it would have been a conflict of interests and a dereliction of duty to his employers. You know what, I reckon that's exactly just what he did
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 7, 2023 22:27:46 GMT
I’m not saying he doesn’t care about the club. If anyone had come in with a silly money offer for a waster he couldn’t give away he’d have been delighted, that’s my point. Any manager would. I don’t believe for a second he’d have advised us not to sign him, it would have been a conflict of interests and a dereliction of duty to his employers. You know what, I reckon that's exactly just what he did You reckon Pulis, who lived to wheel and deal in a transfer window, told Peter Coates not to give him twelve million pounds for a pain in his arse he’d long written off? I just don’t see that, sorry.
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 7, 2023 23:33:54 GMT
The man who blew £10m+ on Olofinjana, Tonge, Sonko and Soares didn’t want poor old Stoke to waste their money? Orate.
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Post by proudstokie on Feb 7, 2023 23:41:40 GMT
Why does everything have to be so polarised. How about Tone gave an honest assessment of a player. He pretty much said in the podcast that he thought he was great before for the move to Spurs fell through and then he lost his way! Perhaps the purchaser took this on board and made a decision anyway, based on a history of taking “strays” and making them good. Maybe the blame lies with the Chief Exec and incumbent manager who constructed a deal and then failed to realise it’s potential. £12m is a pittance for a premier league striker but maybe it should have been based on performance. You can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink it!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 0:11:58 GMT
The man who blew £10m+ on Olofinjana, Tonge, Sonko and Soares didn’t want poor old Stoke to waste their money? Orate. Why haven't you listed all the modern day Stoke legends he signed for relative peanuts mate?
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Post by dirtclod on Feb 8, 2023 3:50:13 GMT
"Gaffer you worry too much. That's why you've got no hair!". This should be engraved above the bar at Ricardo's.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2023 6:04:35 GMT
Why does everything have to be so polarised. How about Tone gave an honest assessment of a player. He pretty much said in the podcast that he thought he was great before for the move to Spurs fell through and then he lost his way! Perhaps the purchaser took this on board and made a decision anyway, based on a history of taking “strays” and making them good. Maybe the blame lies with the Chief Exec and incumbent manager who constructed a deal and then failed to realise it’s potential. £12m is a pittance for a premier league striker but maybe it should have been based on performance. You can take a horse to water but you can’t make it drink it!! £12m was still a decent chunk of change to us at the time.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2023 7:04:44 GMT
I see anchorman's still fighting the good fight, like The Oatcake's version of the Japanese soldier who didn't realise WWII had ended 😀
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 8, 2023 7:29:34 GMT
The man who blew £10m+ on Olofinjana, Tonge, Sonko and Soares didn’t want poor old Stoke to waste their money? Orate. Why haven't you listed all the modern day Stoke legends he signed for relative peanuts mate? Couldn’t be arsed 🙂
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Feb 8, 2023 7:51:46 GMT
Enjoyed that on the whole but the constant use of nicknames was grating.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 8, 2023 7:59:44 GMT
The man who blew £10m+ on Olofinjana, Tonge, Sonko and Soares didn’t want poor old Stoke to waste their money? Orate. Why haven't you listed all the modern day Stoke legends he signed for relative peanuts mate? Like Crouch and Palacios
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Post by andystokey on Feb 8, 2023 8:01:36 GMT
The man who blew £10m+ on Olofinjana, Tonge, Sonko and Soares didn’t want poor old Stoke to waste their money? Orate. That's not down to TP or anyone else. That first year in the PL no one wanted to sign for Stoke. We literally couldn't buy anyone. Even by the January when we had a chance to stay up. I know that for a fact, We couldn't expand our squad at all. We were a total pariah that had dared get promoted. Hence the players above, we had no squad and couldn't build one.
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Post by upthefud on Feb 8, 2023 8:03:00 GMT
I have so much love for the team he built us from 07-12. Fantastic bloke. Thanks TP I have even more love for the team both Pulis and Mark Hughes built. The football under Hughes for 3 or 4 years was quite likely the best we will ever see at Stoke in our lifetime. Arnie, Shaq, Bojan, Crouch - outrageous forward line! Yep also great, but maybe let this be a thread about Pulis and we can comment on Hughes when something relevant pops up or he publicly speaks as highly about our club as TP just has? Pulis took us from the bottom of Kilimanjaro to the top, Hughes probably took us to the equivalent of the top of K9 from the top of Kilimanjaro, but left us halfway back down Kilimanjaro and on a slippery slope Then there’s TPs charity work for the area
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2023 8:05:35 GMT
The man who blew £10m+ on Olofinjana, Tonge, Sonko and Soares didn’t want poor old Stoke to waste their money? Orate. That's not down to TP or anyone else. That first year in the PL no one wanted to sign for Stoke. We literally couldn't buy anyone. Even by the January when we had a chance to stay up. I know that for a fact, We couldn't expand our squad at all. We were a total pariah that had dared get promoted. Hence the players above, we had no squad and couldn't build one. We were in no way 'a pariah' come on.
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Post by andystokey on Feb 8, 2023 8:14:01 GMT
That's not down to TP or anyone else. That first year in the PL no one wanted to sign for Stoke. We literally couldn't buy anyone. Even by the January when we had a chance to stay up. I know that for a fact, We couldn't expand our squad at all. We were a total pariah that had dared get promoted. Hence the players above, we had no squad and couldn't build one. We were in no way 'a pariah' come on. Transfer wise the only clubs who would entertain playing ball were clubs getting rid of old tat and Championship clubs looking to make a buck. We had no network, didn't understand the games played in the PL and players thought we were going straight back down. By far and away the greatest coup was getting Higgy back and Beattie in the January when Sheff Utd were doing OK. Honestly the rest of the top flight weren't interested and potential relegation rivals had no time for us either. I think times have massively changed for newly promoted clubs our first season there was seen as a lucky blip.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2023 8:22:57 GMT
We were in no way 'a pariah' come on. Transfer wise the only clubs who would entertain playing ball were clubs getting rid of old tat and Championship clubs looking to make a buck. We had no network, didn't understand the games played in the PL and players thought we were going straight back down. By far and away the greatest coup was getting Higgy back and Beattie in the January when Sheff Utd were doing OK. Honestly the rest of the top flight weren't interested and potential relegation rivals had no time for us either. I think times have massively changed for newly promoted clubs our first season there was seen as a lucky blip. The greatest coup was signing Abdoulaye Faye, who'd played a decent number of games for Newcastle the season before and whom their supporters were surprised to see move on so soon. We weren't anything like a draw for the reasons you say, but we weren't any more of a 'pariah' than the other promoted clubs of the time. Sorensen was available on a free but he was still a 'name' Premier League goalkeeper who'd have done a job for any club in the bottom half of the division. Beattie was a sensible signing but he was one of the top scorers in the Championship at the point we signed him. We were no different to anyone else, Pulis made some very shrewd signings, as he did more often than not in those early days, but we weren't some kind of footballing lepers.
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Post by mr on Feb 8, 2023 9:53:04 GMT
Great listen. I enjoyed the bit about him becoming obsessive and ringing up Peter Coates to complain about the groundsman just stood around chatting. He understood that complacency shouldn’t set in at any part of the football club.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2023 10:26:04 GMT
Transfer wise the only clubs who would entertain playing ball were clubs getting rid of old tat and Championship clubs looking to make a buck. We had no network, didn't understand the games played in the PL and players thought we were going straight back down. By far and away the greatest coup was getting Higgy back and Beattie in the January when Sheff Utd were doing OK. Honestly the rest of the top flight weren't interested and potential relegation rivals had no time for us either. I think times have massively changed for newly promoted clubs our first season there was seen as a lucky blip. The greatest coup was signing Abdoulaye Faye, who'd played a decent number of games for Newcastle the season before and whom their supporters were surprised to see move on so soon. We weren't anything like a draw for the reasons you say, but we weren't any more of a 'pariah' than the other promoted clubs of the time. Sorensen was available on a free but he was still a 'name' Premier League goalkeeper who'd have done a job for any club in the bottom half of the division. Beattie was a sensible signing but he was one of the top scorers in the Championship at the point we signed him. We were no different to anyone else, Pulis made some very shrewd signings, as he did more often than not in those early days, but we weren't some kind of footballing lepers. It's the image some Stoke supporters like to cultivate and, oddly, thrive on
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 8, 2023 11:44:47 GMT
Transfer wise the only clubs who would entertain playing ball were clubs getting rid of old tat and Championship clubs looking to make a buck. We had no network, didn't understand the games played in the PL and players thought we were going straight back down. By far and away the greatest coup was getting Higgy back and Beattie in the January when Sheff Utd were doing OK. Honestly the rest of the top flight weren't interested and potential relegation rivals had no time for us either. I think times have massively changed for newly promoted clubs our first season there was seen as a lucky blip. The greatest coup was signing Abdoulaye Faye, who'd played a decent number of games for Newcastle the season before and whom their supporters were surprised to see move on so soon. We weren't anything like a draw for the reasons you say, but we weren't any more of a 'pariah' than the other promoted clubs of the time. Sorensen was available on a free but he was still a 'name' Premier League goalkeeper who'd have done a job for any club in the bottom half of the division. Beattie was a sensible signing but he was one of the top scorers in the Championship at the point we signed him. We were no different to anyone else, Pulis made some very shrewd signings, as he did more often than not in those early days, but we weren't some kind of footballing lepers. Yeah I think any negativity around us at that time I feel was much more to do with us being promoted on the back of Derby having the worst season ever and there was a general feel that this would be the fate of promoted clubs moving forward. The negative connotations surrounding our playstyle only really started en masse after the Ramsey injury and during the peak of Huth and Shawcross. Prior to that we were regarded predominantly as a team that was tough to play against than the thuggish image that prevailed for years after. The only player I can remember actively turning us down publicly was Scott Carson for WBA and as you say we signed an accomplished international keeper with bags of PL experience, it's not like we were going into the season with Danzelle St-Louis Hamilton in goal.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Feb 8, 2023 17:06:18 GMT
Just the opposite, he's told me about this and I don't want to repeat it but I will say, T.P. loves Stoke and always will. If Peter or John Coates would have called him about any player, he would tell him the truth. He respects Stoke and the Coates family so much. I’m not saying he doesn’t care about the club. If anyone had come in with a silly money offer for a waster he couldn’t give away he’d have been delighted, that’s my point. Any manager would. I don’t believe for a second he’d have advised us not to sign him, it would have been a conflict of interests and a dereliction of duty to his employers. I think you may underestimate his love for Stoke and his relationship with Peter Coates. I get why you would say "conflict of interests and a dereliction of duty to his employers." but you could argue that about asking a company for an employee's C.V. I think you could be harm your reputation or even be fraudlulent if you didn't disclose or fabricate a C.V. to get a employer out or indeed stay put.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2023 17:21:59 GMT
I’m not saying he doesn’t care about the club. If anyone had come in with a silly money offer for a waster he couldn’t give away he’d have been delighted, that’s my point. Any manager would. I don’t believe for a second he’d have advised us not to sign him, it would have been a conflict of interests and a dereliction of duty to his employers. I think you may underestimate his love for Stoke and his relationship with Peter Coates. I get why you would say "conflict of interests and a dereliction of duty to his employers." but you could argue that about asking a company for an employee's C.V. I think you could be harm your reputation or even be fraudlulent if you didn't disclose or fabricate a C.V. to get a employer out or indeed stay put. It’s not really the same thing is it? And again, this was something that could have impacted on West Brom’s season. Pulis was, rightly for someone in his position, always seeking backing in the transfer market. £12m could have really beefed up their transfer budget, given that West Brom weren’t exactly known for going wild of their own accord. On the same day we signed Berahino they signed Livermore, very much a Pulis-type player, for a very similar fee, I just can’t see Pulis jeopardising his transfer budget for a member of his immediate family, let alone Peter Coates.
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Post by PotterLog on Feb 8, 2023 17:37:20 GMT
"Gaffer you worry too much. That's why you've got no hair!". This should be engraved above the bar at Ricardo's. Not sure that’s necessary, everyone should have it engraved on their brains by now the number of times he’s trotted it out
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Post by anchorman on Feb 8, 2023 18:01:30 GMT
I see anchorman's still fighting the good fight, like The Oatcake's version of the Japanese soldier who didn't realise WWII had ended 😀 I pity you Void I really do. You must wake up every morning and think to yourself, how miserable, bitter, negative, angry & depressed can I be today...... Now let it all go, relax, breathe, stop torturing yourself and give into the fact that deep down inside you really and truly want to watch the TP podcast, Stoke's joint greatest ever manager, admit it, it's ok you can do it, you know that you'll enjoy it, go on be kind to yourself for once in your life. Everyone deserves that, even you devoid.......
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Feb 8, 2023 18:22:45 GMT
I think you may underestimate his love for Stoke and his relationship with Peter Coates. I get why you would say "conflict of interests and a dereliction of duty to his employers." but you could argue that about asking a company for an employee's C.V. I think you could be harm your reputation or even be fraudlulent if you didn't disclose or fabricate a C.V. to get a employer out or indeed stay put. It’s not really the same thing is it? And again, this was something that could have impacted on West Brom’s season. Pulis was, rightly for someone in his position, always seeking backing in the transfer market. £12m could have really beefed up their transfer budget, given that West Brom weren’t exactly known for going wild of their own accord. On the same day we signed Berahino they signed Livermore, very much a Pulis-type player, for a very similar fee, I just can’t see Pulis jeopardising his transfer budget for a member of his immediate family, let alone Peter Coates. Yes I do get that, and he would have wanted him gone, he would have told PC what he thought though.
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Post by thevoid on Feb 8, 2023 18:28:48 GMT
I see anchorman's still fighting the good fight, like The Oatcake's version of the Japanese soldier who didn't realise WWII had ended 😀 I pity you Void I really do. You must wake up every morning and think to yourself, how miserable, bitter, negative, angry & depressed can I be today...... Now let it all go, relax, breathe, stop torturing yourself and give into the fact that deep down inside you really and truly want to watch the TP podcast, Stoke's joint greatest ever manager, admit it, it's ok you can do it, you know that you'll enjoy it, go on be kind to yourself for once in your life. Everyone deserves that, even you devoid....... Still at it I see- quite some commitment for someone who doesn't 'give a shit' about the subject matter or what I think- the fanboy doth protest too much! You seem a little triggered to me- if you don't 'give a shit' then what I choose to watch or not watch is immaterial. No need for pity or amateur level psychology/ gaslighting either, just because I have a different opinion on football to you. My life's sound thanks, made even better by last week's news which puts to bed the dreary 'bring back TP' posts whenever we have a bad spell. Oh, and Waddo is the undisputed most successful manager in the club's history. That's based on facts not your delusional fantasies- not to mention Trophyless Tone being outperformed by Roberto Martinez when it comes to Cup Finals against Man City 🙂
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Post by anchorman on Feb 8, 2023 18:46:32 GMT
I pity you Void I really do. You must wake up every morning and think to yourself, how miserable, bitter, negative, angry & depressed can I be today...... Now let it all go, relax, breathe, stop torturing yourself and give into the fact that deep down inside you really and truly want to watch the TP podcast, Stoke's joint greatest ever manager, admit it, it's ok you can do it, you know that you'll enjoy it, go on be kind to yourself for once in your life. Everyone deserves that, even you devoid....... Still at it I see- quite some commitment for someone who doesn't 'give a shit' about the subject matter or what I think- the fanboy doth protest too much! You seem a little triggered to me- if you don't 'give a shit' then what I choose to watch or not watch is immaterial. No need for pity or amateur level psychology/ gaslighting either, just because I have a different opinion on football to you. My life's sound thanks, made even better by last week's news which puts to bed the dreary 'bring back TP' posts whenever we have a bad spell. Oh, and Waddo is the undisputed most successful manager in the club's history. That's based on facts not your delusional fantasies- not to mention Trophyless Tone being outperformed by Roberto Martinez when it comes to Cup Finals against Man City 🙂 I actually think you protest too much son….oh let me shout my bile and hatred as loudly as I can..you can’t cope with anyone (particularly me it appears) saying the slightest positive thing about TP. You’re obsessed with hatred and negativity actually . I’m actually celebrating something positive really positive and successful where you spend your life screaming and shouting insanely about how bad and shit and woeful it was…you’re in the minority mate, a noisy vociferous minority but a huge minority. That’s why I pity you. One of the very best era’s in our history and you didn’t enjoy it. OMG you poor bastard.
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