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Post by phileetin on Oct 29, 2024 11:38:35 GMT
Where are these magical empty houses to house them in supposed to be? We've got a housing crisis in the country we can't keep housing 300,000 mainly single uneducated or unqualified men every year can we, there's only so many just eat delivery drivers the fat lazy junk food eating lot need their shit food delivered to. A big processing centre should be built. We don’t need to house 300,000 single and uneducated men. We just need to have somewhere for those seeking asylum here to be housed. Even better, allow asylum claims to be sought from abroad, and then they can only come here once granted asylum, and all others can legitimately be rejected. It would also give us strong legal arguments to deport anyone who chooses not to apply from abroad before travelling here. That’s how to smash the gangs. Destroy their business model. Between 75-80% of those coming on small boats have their claims accepted when they are finally processed. None of them would have to risk their lives to travel if they could apply from abroad. Only those with no valid claim would travel, and so we could deport them far easier.yeah , right ,
then lawyers get involved , ECHR and , dah dah , same problem .
at least the tourist industry is fucked cos we've got nowhere to house all these immigrants anyway , doesn't matter whether they're legal or illegal they'll all end up in an hotel.
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 29, 2024 11:48:19 GMT
A big processing centre should be built. We don’t need to house 300,000 single and uneducated men. We just need to have somewhere for those seeking asylum here to be housed. Even better, allow asylum claims to be sought from abroad, and then they can only come here once granted asylum, and all others can legitimately be rejected. It would also give us strong legal arguments to deport anyone who chooses not to apply from abroad before travelling here. That’s how to smash the gangs. Destroy their business model. Between 75-80% of those coming on small boats have their claims accepted when they are finally processed. None of them would have to risk their lives to travel if they could apply from abroad. Only those with no valid claim would travel, and so we could deport them far easier.yeah , right ,
then lawyers get involved , ECHR and , dah dah , same problem .
at least the tourist industry is fucked cos we've got nowhere to house all these immigrants anyway , doesn't matter whether they're legal or illegal they'll all end up in an hotel.
Presumably you'd like all of these unhappy Ukrainians to go back to their joyous homeland? |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 29, 2024 12:21:24 GMT
A big processing centre should be built. We don’t need to house 300,000 single and uneducated men. We just need to have somewhere for those seeking asylum here to be housed. Even better, allow asylum claims to be sought from abroad, and then they can only come here once granted asylum, and all others can legitimately be rejected. It would also give us strong legal arguments to deport anyone who chooses not to apply from abroad before travelling here. That’s how to smash the gangs. Destroy their business model. Between 75-80% of those coming on small boats have their claims accepted when they are finally processed. None of them would have to risk their lives to travel if they could apply from abroad. Only those with no valid claim would travel, and so we could deport them far easier.yeah , right ,
then lawyers get involved , ECHR and , dah dah , same problem . at least the tourist industry is fucked cos we've got nowhere to house all these immigrants anyway , doesn't matter whether they're legal or illegal they'll all end up in an hotel.
One of the reasons one of the “stop the boats” bills failed was because there are no safe alternative ways to seek asylum so we could not unilaterally decide to deport people who may have valid claims to be here without giving them a chance to seek asylum. So actually creating safe routes does massively strengthen the legal argument to automatically deny asylum for anyone coming on small boats. As there is no reason for them not to apply via the safe route. If you have a valid asylum claim, why would you pay thousands and risk your life in a small boat when you could apply safely instead? |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 29, 2024 12:22:32 GMT
yeah , right ,
then lawyers get involved , ECHR and , dah dah , same problem . at least the tourist industry is fucked cos we've got nowhere to house all these immigrants anyway , doesn't matter whether they're legal or illegal they'll all end up in an hotel.
One of the reasons one of the “stop the boats” bills failed was because there are no safe alternative ways to seek asylum so we could not unilaterally decide to deport people who may have valid claims to be here without giving them a chance to seek asylum. So actually creating safe routes does massively strengthen the legal argument to automatically deny asylum for anyone coming on small boats. As there is no reason for them not to apply via the safe route. Totally agree. I'm surprised those against immigration haven't picked up on this. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 29, 2024 12:51:47 GMT
One of the reasons one of the “stop the boats” bills failed was because there are no safe alternative ways to seek asylum so we could not unilaterally decide to deport people who may have valid claims to be here without giving them a chance to seek asylum. So actually creating safe routes does massively strengthen the legal argument to automatically deny asylum for anyone coming on small boats. As there is no reason for them not to apply via the safe route. Totally agree. I'm surprised those against immigration haven't picked up on this. I don't think anyone here is anti-immigration mate. If you have a job and can contribute then perfect. Same as the Australian system. What people don't want is unsolicited unvetted people coming on a dingy then the following week doing deliveroo. |
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Post by lordb on Oct 29, 2024 13:18:01 GMT
Totally agree. I'm surprised those against immigration haven't picked up on this. I don't think anyone here is anti-immigration mate. If you have a job and can contribute then perfect. Same as the Australian system. What people don't want is unsolicited unvetted people coming on a dingy then the following week doing deliveroo. 'I don't think anyone here is anti-immigration mate.' you can't possibly believe that if you do I've got some magic beans I could sell you for a bargain price |
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Post by Ariel Manto on Oct 29, 2024 13:50:31 GMT
Totally agree. I'm surprised those against immigration haven't picked up on this. I don't think anyone here is anti-immigration mate. If you have a job and can contribute then perfect. Same as the Australian system. What people don't want is unsolicited unvetted people coming on a dingy then the following week doing deliveroo. Oh I was talking generally, not about a specific individual. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Oct 29, 2024 14:05:23 GMT
A big processing centre should be built. We don’t need to house 300,000 single and uneducated men. We just need to have somewhere for those seeking asylum here to be housed. Even better, allow asylum claims to be sought from abroad, and then they can only come here once granted asylum, and all others can legitimately be rejected. It would also give us strong legal arguments to deport anyone who chooses not to apply from abroad before travelling here. That’s how to smash the gangs. Destroy their business model. Between 75-80% of those coming on small boats have their claims accepted when they are finally processed. None of them would have to risk their lives to travel if they could apply from abroad. Only those with no valid claim would travel, and so we could deport them far easier.yeah , right ,
then lawyers get involved , ECHR and , dah dah , same problem . at least the tourist industry is fucked cos we've got nowhere to house all these immigrants anyway , doesn't matter whether they're legal or illegal they'll all end up in an hotel.
If an asylum seeker is granted asylum before they arrive here they would be entitled to work and could pay there way. A legal immigrant is one who has come on work visa or being granted citizenship and can work and pay there way. The immigrants being housed in hotels at the tax payers expense are waiting for their asylum claims to be processed and while they are waiting to be processed are not allowed to work and cannot pay their way. And because the last government did not put in place an efficient asylum claims system they are living in hotels at the tax payers expense for a considerable time. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 29, 2024 14:16:39 GMT
Totally agree. I'm surprised those against immigration haven't picked up on this. I don't think anyone here is anti-immigration mate. If you have a job and can contribute then perfect. Same as the Australian system. What people don't want is unsolicited unvetted people coming on a dingy then the following week doing deliveroo. So you should massively agree with my post about safe routes. |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 29, 2024 14:23:12 GMT
Totally agree. I'm surprised those against immigration haven't picked up on this. I don't think anyone here is anti-immigration mate. If you have a job and can contribute then perfect. Same as the Australian system. What people don't want is unsolicited unvetted people coming on a dingy then the following week doing deliveroo. Suggestions that Australia doesn't receive "irregular" Asylum Seekers is a myth peddled by certain MPs who wished to introduce some of the measures Australia had previously implemented to deter Asylum Seekers but no longer does due to Humsnitarian reasons. People seek Asylum in Australia through all sorts of ways, some via UNHCR (Safe Routes) others by getting on a plane and making an "onshore" claim Unlike in UK Asylum Seekers are give a temporary visa to work either a Bridging Visa E or a Safe Haven Enterprise Visa (SHEV, subclass 790) In addition an Asylum Seeker or humanitarian entrant (UNHCR) may receive income support payments to include: JobSeeker Payment. Parenting Payment. disability and carer payments. There are about 80K Asylum Seekers unprocessed in Australia currently which is about the same as UK relative to population. Australia receives between 1% to 2% of Asylum Seekers each year which is relative to its 0.33% of World Population 1730209838956.webp (166.19 KB) www.refugeecouncil.org.au/coming-to-australia/ |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 29, 2024 15:40:48 GMT
I don't think anyone here is anti-immigration mate. If you have a job and can contribute then perfect. Same as the Australian system. What people don't want is unsolicited unvetted people coming on a dingy then the following week doing deliveroo. So you should massively agree with my post about safe routes. Well no, you're failing to differentiate between an Assylum Seeker and a skilled worker. |
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 29, 2024 16:21:50 GMT
So you should massively agree with my post about safe routes. Well no, you're failing to differentiate between an Assylum Seeker and a skilled worker. Sorry, I had understood from what you had written that you were against people coming on small boats. Safe routes deals with that problem. Many asylum seekers are skilled and could work and benefit our country. Many are not skilled but could still work and benefit our country. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 29, 2024 16:22:08 GMT
Well well well,no surprise to anyone with half a brain cell😡
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Post by oggyoggy on Oct 29, 2024 16:24:49 GMT
Well well well,no surprise to anyone with half a brain cell😡 You’ve posted that on the wrong thread. He wasn’t an immigrant. He was born in Wales. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 29, 2024 16:25:21 GMT
Well well well,no surprise to anyone with half a brain cell😡 You’ve posted that on the wrong thread. He wasn’t an immigrant. He was born in Wales. His family are immigrants |
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Post by wannabee on Oct 29, 2024 16:44:39 GMT
So you should massively agree with my post about safe routes. Well no, you're failing to differentiate between an Assylum Seeker and a skilled worker. To a large extent that's due to Government Policy which doesn't seek to determine if an Asylum Seeker is a Skilled Worker An Asylum Seeker awaiting a decision on Refugee Status can only be given permission to work after 12 months but only for Jobs on the Immigration Salary List So we have the ludicrous situation that an Asylum Seeker could be provided accommodation and subsistence for 12+ months while a different section of Home Office is trying to attract Skilled Workers on the Immigration Salary List which an Asylum Seeker could fill. The non permission to work includes unpaid voluntary work for charities Does this make sense to you? commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01908/ |
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Post by sticky on Oct 29, 2024 16:48:00 GMT
Well well well,no surprise to anyone with half a brain cell😡 Thought he was a Christian with mental health issues, and anyone saying otherwise was stirring up shit and causing riots🤔 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 29, 2024 16:50:51 GMT
Well well well,no surprise to anyone with half a brain cell😡 Thought he was a Christian with mental health issues, and anyone saying otherwise was stirring up shit and causing riots🤔 Exactly mate |
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Post by flea79 on Oct 29, 2024 16:53:47 GMT
Well well well,no surprise to anyone with half a brain cell😡 Thought he was a Christian with mental health issues, and anyone saying otherwise was stirring up shit and causing riots🤔 so are you saying that the establishment lied too cover up what people had already correctly guessed in relation to this vermin who murdered 3 innocent children and destroyed a community and has irreparably damaged uncountable lives? imagine my shock.... |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 29, 2024 17:03:57 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 29, 2024 17:08:20 GMT
Yvette Cooper should be sacked immediately
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 29, 2024 17:18:14 GMT
Yvette Cooper should be sacked immediately Low and behold we were right all along. We've let a fucking scumbag roam our streets and cause destruction with a knife. Whilst getting tucked up on bed to a Al Qaeda training Manual. Hes as Welsh as a fart in Nigeria. |
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Post by sticky on Oct 29, 2024 17:24:41 GMT
Yvette Cooper should be sacked immediately Low and behold we were right all along. We've let a fucking scumbag roam our streets and cause destruction with a knife. Whilst getting tucked up on bed to a Al Qaeda training Manual. Hes as Welsh as a fart in Nigeria. Did they support world of twist… |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 29, 2024 17:39:42 GMT
Yvette Cooper should be sacked immediately Low and behold we were right all along. We've let a fucking scumbag roam our streets and cause destruction with a knife. Whilst getting tucked up on bed to a Al Qaeda training Manual. Hes as Welsh as a fart in Nigeria. How do you prevent it though? He's born in Wales, to Rwandan parents so not like he's come from an islamic background and has come through our schooling system. He's either been radicalised online or found his own way to those ideas. How do you stop that? It's literally impossible. With all the chat rooms, dark web, information online anyone can find themselves being radicalised in this day and age. We've seen it happen with white brits too. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 29, 2024 17:44:29 GMT
Low and behold we were right all along. We've let a fucking scumbag roam our streets and cause destruction with a knife. Whilst getting tucked up on bed to a Al Qaeda training Manual. Hes as Welsh as a fart in Nigeria. How do you prevent it though? He's born in Wales, to Rwandan parents so not like he's come from an islamic background and has come through our schooling system. He's either been radicalised online or found his own way to those ideas. How do you stop that? It's literally impossible. With all the chat rooms, dark web, information online anyone can find themselves being radicalised in this day and age. We've seen it happen with white brits too. You do make some valid points but I suppose the main point is the more unknown immigrants that break into our country the more common it becomes. By cracking down on it you’re at least reducing the threat. It’ll be interesting to know the thoughts of some of the naysayers on here that believed the bullshit that was fed to them in the aftermath of the attack about this animals character though. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 29, 2024 17:49:28 GMT
Low and behold we were right all along. We've let a fucking scumbag roam our streets and cause destruction with a knife. Whilst getting tucked up on bed to a Al Qaeda training Manual. Hes as Welsh as a fart in Nigeria. How do you prevent it though? He's born in Wales, to Rwandan parents so not like he's come from an islamic background and has come through our schooling system. He's either been radicalised online or found his own way to those ideas. How do you stop that? It's literally impossible. With all the chat rooms, dark web, information online anyone can find themselves being radicalised in this day and age. We've seen it happen with white brits too. I'd like to think that at some point before you walk into a pre-school and murder children there has to at least be some red-flags. Same as Peadophiles, if you knew the potential number who roam the streets who are on a watch list, you'd never let your children leave the house. Some valid points though. |
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Post by emretezzy on Oct 29, 2024 17:51:31 GMT
How do you prevent it though? He's born in Wales, to Rwandan parents so not like he's come from an islamic background and has come through our schooling system. He's either been radicalised online or found his own way to those ideas. How do you stop that? It's literally impossible. With all the chat rooms, dark web, information online anyone can find themselves being radicalised in this day and age. We've seen it happen with white brits too. You do make some valid points but I suppose the main point is the more unknown immigrants that break into our country the more common it becomes. By cracking down on it you’re at least reducing the threat. It’ll be interesting to know the thoughts of some of the naysayers on here that believed the bullshit that was fed to them in the aftermath of the attack about this animals character though. Some were positively happy when we told he was a Christian who was born in Wales. They interviewed family friends on the BBC who told us they were a loving family who drove a nice hatchback. The contempt they hold the general public in this country is nothing short of disgusting. I don't know the legal framework of withholding information like this but I am sure one of the many lawyers, firearms officers and more recently judges will enlighten us. |
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Post by sticky on Oct 29, 2024 17:54:37 GMT
How do you prevent it though? He's born in Wales, to Rwandan parents so not like he's come from an islamic background and has come through our schooling system. He's either been radicalised online or found his own way to those ideas. How do you stop that? It's literally impossible. With all the chat rooms, dark web, information online anyone can find themselves being radicalised in this day and age. We've seen it happen with white brits too. You do make some valid points but I suppose the main point is the more unknown immigrants that break into our country the more common it becomes. By cracking down on it you’re at least reducing the threat. It’ll be interesting to know the thoughts of some of the naysayers on here that believed the bullshit that was fed to them in the aftermath of the attack about this animals character though. You only have to look on here to see the way you’re spoken to for voicing concerns. If people don’t feel like they can report things, for fear of being labelled a right wing Nazi, that’s not going to help matters is it. Trust in the government/news agency’s is at an all time low for me. I don’t believe half the shit I’m told anymore |
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Post by Northy on Oct 29, 2024 17:55:42 GMT
yeah , right ,
then lawyers get involved , ECHR and , dah dah , same problem . at least the tourist industry is fucked cos we've got nowhere to house all these immigrants anyway , doesn't matter whether they're legal or illegal they'll all end up in an hotel.
Presumably you'd like all of these unhappy Ukrainians to go back to their joyous homeland? The Ukranians are housed in peoples homes aren't they? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Oct 29, 2024 17:56:56 GMT
You do make some valid points but I suppose the main point is the more unknown immigrants that break into our country the more common it becomes. By cracking down on it you’re at least reducing the threat. It’ll be interesting to know the thoughts of some of the naysayers on here that believed the bullshit that was fed to them in the aftermath of the attack about this animals character though. You only have to look on here to see the way you’re spoken to for voicing concerns. If people don’t feel like they can report things, for fear of being labelled a right wing Nazi, that’s not going to help matters is it. Trust in the government/news agency’s is at an all time low for me. I don’t believe half the shit I’m told anymore I don’t believe any of it mate. It’s best not to believe it then be proved wrong now and again rather than believe anything and be proved wrong time and time again |
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