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Post by thehartshillbadger on Sept 26, 2024 16:51:51 GMT
Not in any country I've visited 🤷 Seen spiders, crickets, frogs fallopian tubes and many other strange things on the menu but never rats. Are you getting confused with Prisoner of War films? Easily done.. i think that curry place by cauldon college got done for it ( the one either side of the bridge .... that was closed) . not the one a bit further up the road which i understand currently has a good reputation.
and i think a place in longton and possibly draycott did as well .
Hey if it tastes as good as a squirrel Bhuna I’m all for it. In for a penny |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 26, 2024 21:08:07 GMT
i think that curry place by cauldon college got done for it ( the one either side of the bridge .... that was closed) . not the one a bit further up the road which i understand currently has a good reputation.
and i think a place in longton and possibly draycott did as well .
Hey if it tastes as good as a squirrel Bhuna I’m all for it. In for a penny Pigeons are just sky rats and they're on many a posh menu 🤷 |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 26, 2024 21:51:01 GMT
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Post by Foster on Sept 27, 2024 10:29:47 GMT
To be fair, the guy in the first tweet is a bit thick since the open borders doesn't extend to outside the EU or Schengen countries....which is where the vast majority of immigrants and asylum seekers are coming from. |
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Post by Northy on Sept 27, 2024 10:49:14 GMT
Yesterday, (25/09/24.) just 20 immigrants and 1 small boat crossed the channel. Excellent news Sir Keir, in difficult circumstances created and nurtured by the Tories. Did the bad weather have anything to do with that? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 27, 2024 14:03:13 GMT
But they knew what they were voting for ...
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Post by phileetin on Sept 27, 2024 14:12:47 GMT
i thought the student visa family etc fiasco was partly to blame and the tories fixed it and then labour have unfixed it ?
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Post by 4372 on Sept 27, 2024 18:38:49 GMT
Yesterday, (25/09/24.) just 20 immigrants and 1 small boat crossed the channel. Excellent news Sir Keir, in difficult circumstances created and nurtured by the Tories. Did the bad weather have anything to do with that? I don't really know. Do you think spells of good weather increase the numbers crossing the Channel? That never gets mentioned by the rabid right posters on here. Yesterday, no boats and no migrants AGAIN!!! |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 27, 2024 19:32:28 GMT
Did the bad weather have anything to do with that? I don't really know. Do you think spells of good weather increase the numbers crossing the Channel? That never gets mentioned by the rabid right posters on here. Yesterday, no boats and no migrants AGAIN!!! I suspected the Tories were just pissing about on purpose but I thought it'd take a lot longer than that to sort out 😉 |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 27, 2024 19:52:48 GMT
i thought the student visa family etc fiasco was partly to blame and the tories fixed it and then labour have unfixed it ? You need to give up the Express and Fail Comics Phil, The Conservatives couldn't fix a Lightbulb - You can't fix Stupid In the year ending June 2024, 1.16 million visas were granted for work, study or family reasons (including dependants). In the same period, 38,784 people were detected arriving in the UK by irregular routes.
75,167 people were granted permission to come to the UK by safe and legal routes such as the Ukraine and BN(O) schemes, refugee resettlement and family reunion (note family reunion visas are included in the ‘Family visas’ category, not ‘Safe and legal’ in Figure 2) and 45,886 were granted ‘Other’ visas.
So in summary 1,281,053 were granted Visas to come to UK and 38,784 (3%) came via irregular routes, you will recognise these as the people who are invading the Country We will need to wait a few months before we find out how many people were desperate to leave UK permanently to get the Net Migration number to see if it's a new Record but it looks promising it will be. www.gov.uk/government/statist ics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2024/summary-of-latest-statistics What on earth have Labour unfixed by the way? |
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Post by Northy on Sept 30, 2024 9:15:46 GMT
Did the bad weather have anything to do with that? I don't really know. Do you think spells of good weather increase the numbers crossing the Channel? That never gets mentioned by the rabid right posters on here. Yesterday, no boats and no migrants AGAIN!!! Well yes it does, it's often mentioned on the news reports about it. You are not going to cross the channel in a howling gale when you can wait a couple of days when it's flat calm are you? |
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Post by elystokie on Sept 30, 2024 9:22:28 GMT
I don't really know. Do you think spells of good weather increase the numbers crossing the Channel? That never gets mentioned by the rabid right posters on here. Yesterday, no boats and no migrants AGAIN!!! Well yes it does, it's often mentioned on the news reports about it. You are not going to cross the channel in a howling gale when you can wait a couple of days when it's flat calm are you? I think his point is that whenever there's a high number crossing the Daily Mail activists use whatever number crosses for that day to extrapolate and then claim 10 million (or whatever number the DM decide) will arrive over the next 3 years (or whatever timespan the DM decide). |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2024 9:58:55 GMT
But they knew what they were voting for ... That presentation is infantile and skirts over the facts. Much of the immigration before the referendum was hidden as evidenced by the fact that 7 million former EU citizens who came to the UK before that have applied for UK residency. Many , post pandemic, are now bringing their relatives. The graph shows that immigration declined after the referendum as fewer EU citizens came to the EU and EU migration started to be negative, particularly during the pandemic. Since the pandemic there has been a large increase in long term sick, many >50s did not return to work, and because of Brexit fewer EU immigrants. That has led to a large increase in job vacancies and a huge demand for workers. If you look at this graph: www.statista.com/statistics/283771/monthly-job-vacancies-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/You will see a large reduction in vacancies due to workers arriving from India and the far east to fill those vacancies in jobs UK citizens don't want to do. Our hospitals would grind to a halt without them. Another factor is many of the immigrants are temporary and come to the UK to study. We voted Brexit to control immigration, not stop it. Illegal immigration is out of control, but it always has been. The difference now is it is highly visible by boat people, whereas when we were in the EU it was hidden by people coming on holiday from the EU and disappearing into the black economy, and those hidden in the back of lorries. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 30, 2024 11:03:41 GMT
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Post by Gawa on Sept 30, 2024 11:17:44 GMT
I wonder how those who care deeply about British values and traditions and this being a Christian country feel about this suggestion.
Just find it a bit weird that tories bang on about "Sadiq Khan's muslim mates taking over britian to implement sharia law" yet in the same breath they want a foreign religions symbols plastered over every point of entry into the country.
Values and traditions and being a chistrian country not so important because Tommy Robinson doesn't kick up a fuss over this?
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Post by wannabee on Sept 30, 2024 11:20:19 GMT
But they knew what they were voting for ... That presentation is infantile and skirts over the facts. Much of the immigration before the referendum was hidden as evidenced by the fact that 7 million former EU citizens who came to the UK before that have applied for UK residency. Many , post pandemic, are now bringing their relatives. The graph shows that immigration declined after the referendum as fewer EU citizens came to the EU and EU migration started to be negative, particularly during the pandemic. Since the pandemic there has been a large increase in long term sick, many >50s did not return to work, and because of Brexit fewer EU immigrants. That has led to a large increase in job vacancies and a huge demand for workers. If you look at this graph: www.statista.com/statistics/283771/monthly-job-vacancies-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/You will see a large reduction in vacancies due to workers arriving from India and the far east to fill those vacancies in jobs UK citizens don't want to do. Our hospitals would grind to a halt without them. Another factor is many of the immigrants are temporary and come to the UK to study. We voted Brexit to control immigration, not stop it. Illegal immigration is out of control, but it always has been. The difference now is it is highly visible by boat people, whereas when we were in the EU it was hidden by people coming on holiday from the EU and disappearing into the black economy, and those hidden in the back of lorries. It is you that are distorting the facts, it is well understood that far more EU Citizens applied for Residency than ever intended to take up permanent residency. At the 2021 Census there were 4 Million people resident in UK who were born in EU this number has been falling each year since Referendum one of the reasons being is that many EU Migrants came to UK for a period of time to work and send money back home. With the collapse of Sterling after Referendum this became less attractive. At the 2021 Census EU Citizens made up about one third of all foreign nationals living in UK this percentage has dropped considerably as EU Citizens net migrate from UK while there has been a large intake of Migrants from ROW. EU Citizens are more likely to return to home Country in retirement than ROW Migrants migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/ |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 30, 2024 11:48:59 GMT
I wonder how those who care deeply about British values and traditions and this being a Christian country feel about this suggestion. Just find it a bit weird that tories bang on about "Sadiq Khan's muslim mates taking over britian to implement sharia law" yet in the same breath they want a foreign religions symbols plastered over every point of entry into the country. Values and traditions and being a chistrian country not so important because Tommy Robinson doesn't kick up a fuss over this? This is exactly an example of the point I was making to Ian yesterday and I namechecked the current Conservative Beauty Contest where increasingly lunatic comments will be made and quickly forgotten |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 30, 2024 11:54:59 GMT
I wonder how those who care deeply about British values and traditions and this being a Christian country feel about this suggestion. Just find it a bit weird that tories bang on about "Sadiq Khan's muslim mates taking over britian to implement sharia law" yet in the same breath they want a foreign religions symbols plastered over every point of entry into the country. Values and traditions and being a chistrian country not so important because Tommy Robinson doesn't kick up a fuss over this? This is exactly an example of the point I was making to Ian yesterday and I namechecked the current Conservative Beauty Contest where increasingly lunatic comments will be made and quickly forgotten I haven't read the past few pages to see that comment. It really does confuse me though. Was Jerrick not the one who also said that saying Allah akbar (sp) should result in being arrested. They just weaponise whatever they can to divide people. A star of David has nothing to do with British culture, traditions or values. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 12:17:58 GMT
But they knew what they were voting for ... That presentation is infantile and skirts over the facts. Much of the immigration before the referendum was hidden as evidenced by the fact that 7 million former EU citizens who came to the UK before that have applied for UK residency. Many , post pandemic, are now bringing their relatives. The graph shows that immigration declined after the referendum as fewer EU citizens came to the EU and EU migration started to be negative, particularly during the pandemic. Since the pandemic there has been a large increase in long term sick, many >50s did not return to work, and because of Brexit fewer EU immigrants. That has led to a large increase in job vacancies and a huge demand for workers. If you look at this graph: www.statista.com/statistics/283771/monthly-job-vacancies-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/You will see a large reduction in vacancies due to workers arriving from India and the far east to fill those vacancies in jobs UK citizens don't want to do. Our hospitals would grind to a halt without them. Another factor is many of the immigrants are temporary and come to the UK to study. We voted Brexit to control immigration, not stop it. Illegal immigration is out of control, but it always has been. The difference now is it is highly visible by boat people, whereas when we were in the EU it was hidden by people coming on holiday from the EU and disappearing into the black economy, and those hidden in the back of lorries. Nonsense. Yes, we have vacancies to fill and yes the NHS would grind to a halt without them but the reason immigrants are now bringing their families with them since Brexit, is because they are travelling much further distances (usually from the sub continent) on visas, where they see the move as a much more permanent affair. With freedom of movement across Europe, this simply wasn't the case and with regard to 'visibility', it's not hard to work out that hundreds of thousands of legally arriving immigrants from India etc. become much more 'visible' now than those previously coming from (say) Poland. You know very well that the boat crossings are nothing more than a red herring, to deflect away from the hugely significant shift in the number of people now legally arriving from the sub continent instead of Europe since Brexit. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 12:23:17 GMT
I wonder how those who care deeply about British values and traditions and this being a Christian country feel about this suggestion. Just find it a bit weird that tories bang on about "Sadiq Khan's muslim mates taking over britian to implement sharia law" yet in the same breath they want a foreign religions symbols plastered over every point of entry into the country. Values and traditions and being a chistrian country not so important because Tommy Robinson doesn't kick up a fuss over this? This is exactly an example of the point I was making to Ian yesterday and I namechecked the current Conservative Beauty Contest where increasingly lunatic comments will be made and quickly forgotten That maybe but I find the fact that he would actually say something like this particularly sinister. Could you imagine, Edward Heath, Margaret Thatcher or John Major saying something like this (even at all)? |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2024 13:02:43 GMT
That presentation is infantile and skirts over the facts. Much of the immigration before the referendum was hidden as evidenced by the fact that 7 million former EU citizens who came to the UK before that have applied for UK residency. Many , post pandemic, are now bringing their relatives. The graph shows that immigration declined after the referendum as fewer EU citizens came to the EU and EU migration started to be negative, particularly during the pandemic. Since the pandemic there has been a large increase in long term sick, many >50s did not return to work, and because of Brexit fewer EU immigrants. That has led to a large increase in job vacancies and a huge demand for workers. If you look at this graph: www.statista.com/statistics/283771/monthly-job-vacancies-in-the-united-kingdom-uk/You will see a large reduction in vacancies due to workers arriving from India and the far east to fill those vacancies in jobs UK citizens don't want to do. Our hospitals would grind to a halt without them. Another factor is many of the immigrants are temporary and come to the UK to study. We voted Brexit to control immigration, not stop it. Illegal immigration is out of control, but it always has been. The difference now is it is highly visible by boat people, whereas when we were in the EU it was hidden by people coming on holiday from the EU and disappearing into the black economy, and those hidden in the back of lorries. It is you that are distorting the facts, it is well understood that far more EU Citizens applied for Residency than ever intended to take up permanent residency. At the 2021 Census there were 4 Million people resident in UK who were born in EU this number has been falling each year since Referendum one of the reasons being is that many EU Migrants came to UK for a period of time to work and send money back home. With the collapse of Sterling after Referendum this became less attractive. At the 2021 Census EU Citizens made up about one third of all foreign nationals living in UK this percentage has dropped considerably as EU Citizens net migrate from UK while there has been a large intake of Migrants from ROW. EU Citizens are more likely to return to home Country in retirement than ROW Migrants migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/I disagree. The reason many east Europeans left for their homelands is because of the lack of jobs. They came to the UK for work in the 00s, even doctors taking jobs stacking supermarket shelves. They started to leave before the referendum due to increased growth of their economies, such as Poland: tradingeconomics.com/poland/full-year-gdp-growthThat growth in eastern Europe was driven by the huge amount of regional aid given by the EU to build up their economies. £100s billions have gone to Poland, including UK taxes. www.statista.com/statistics/1135294/poland-s-contributions-to-and-receipts-from-the-eu-budget/#:~:text=Poland's%20contributions%20to%20and%20receipts%20from%20the%20EU%20budget%202004%2D2023&text=Since%202004%2C%20Poland%20has%20received,to%20over%2083.8%20billion%20euros. That was happening with or without Brexit. Brexit means the UK is no longer paying for it. It is the reason for the increase in vacancies, nothing to do with the value of the £. The same reason for UK vacancies applies to Germany which has even higher job vacancies, so bad it is holding back their economy. German vacancies at their highest level since the 1970s: tradingeconomics.com/germany/job-vacancies#:~:text=Job%20Vacancies%20in%20Germany%20increased,Thousand%20in%20December%20of%201982. There is an ugly aspect on this thread about immigration from the Indian subcontinent and the far east. We need them just as we needed the Windrush generation. Some have a right to come like Hongkongers, and we have a duty to accept them as we did Asians from Kenya. They contribute to out society and want make their lives here, not like some who come to make money, claim benefits like child benefit, and send the money to another country. The solution to immigration is investment in automation, robotics, AI , reducing long term sickness, preventative health care such as banning smoking, etc. Last Thursday my step daughter had to go to hospital for treatment and had to move away from the entrance area due to the intensity of smokers exhaling in total disobedience of the signs forbidding it. |
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Post by Foster on Sept 30, 2024 13:08:07 GMT
I wonder how those who care deeply about British values and traditions and this being a Christian country feel about this suggestion. Just find it a bit weird that tories bang on about "Sadiq Khan's muslim mates taking over britian to implement sharia law" yet in the same breath they want a foreign religions symbols plastered over every point of entry into the country. Values and traditions and being a chistrian country not so important because Tommy Robinson doesn't kick up a fuss over this? I think it's a shit suggestion. ...and I'm no Tory nor TR fanboy. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 30, 2024 13:33:39 GMT
I wonder how those who care deeply about British values and traditions and this being a Christian country feel about this suggestion. Just find it a bit weird that tories bang on about "Sadiq Khan's muslim mates taking over britian to implement sharia law" yet in the same breath they want a foreign religions symbols plastered over every point of entry into the country. Values and traditions and being a chistrian country not so important because Tommy Robinson doesn't kick up a fuss over this? I think it's a shit suggestion. ...and I'm no Tory nor TR fanboy. Be green flick a bean. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 30, 2024 13:36:36 GMT
It is you that are distorting the facts, it is well understood that far more EU Citizens applied for Residency than ever intended to take up permanent residency. At the 2021 Census there were 4 Million people resident in UK who were born in EU this number has been falling each year since Referendum one of the reasons being is that many EU Migrants came to UK for a period of time to work and send money back home. With the collapse of Sterling after Referendum this became less attractive. At the 2021 Census EU Citizens made up about one third of all foreign nationals living in UK this percentage has dropped considerably as EU Citizens net migrate from UK while there has been a large intake of Migrants from ROW. EU Citizens are more likely to return to home Country in retirement than ROW Migrants migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/The reason many east Europeans left for their homelands is because of the lack of jobs. They came to the UK for work in the 00s, even doctors taking jobs stacking supermarket shelves. They started to leave before the referendum due to increased growth of their economies, such as Poland: tradingeconomics.com/poland/full-year-gdp-growthThat growth in eastern Europe was driven by the huge amount of regional aid given by the EU to build up their economies. £100s billions have gone to Poland, including UK taxes. www.statista.com/statistics/1135294/poland-s-contributions-to-and-receipts-from-the-eu-budget/#:~:text=Poland's%20contributions%20to%20and%20receipts%20from%20the%20EU%20budget%202004%2D2023&text=Since%202004%2C%20Poland%20has%20received,to%20over%2083.8%20billion%20euros. That was happening with or without Brexit. Brexit means the UK is no longer paying for it. It is the reason for the increase in vacancies, nothing to do with the value of the £. The same reason for UK vacancies applies to Germany which has even higher job vacancies, so bad it is holding back their economy. German vacancies at their highest level since the 1970s: tradingeconomics.com/germany/job-vacancies#:~:text=Job%20Vacancies%20in%20Germany%20increased,Thousand%20in%20December%20of%201982. There is an ugly aspect on this thread about immigration from the Indian subcontinent and the far east. We need them just as we needed the Windrush generation. Some have a right to come like Hongkongers, and we have a duty to accept them as we did Asians from Kenya. They contribute to out society and want make their lives here, not like some who come to make money, claim benefits like child benefit, and send the money to another country. The solution to immigration is investment in automation, robotics, AI , reducing long term sickness, preventative health care such as banning smoking, etc. Last Thursday my step daughter had to go to hospital for treatment and had to move away from the entrance area due to the intensity of smokers exhaling in total disobedience of the signs forbidding it. Disagree all you want, these are not my findings but those at the Migration Observatory at Oxford University If I were you I'd send them a strongly worded letter pointing out how their Academic Research on UK Migration is flawed and include your own research so they can adjust their Data which is used by Government and quoted by Media. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 13:41:03 GMT
There is an ugly aspect on this thread about immigration from the Indian subcontinent and the far east. We need them just as we needed the Windrush generation. Indeed Cokey. And why did Farage and Johnson conveniently fail to mention to their followers in 2016, that the net result of Brexit and the ending of freedom of movement in Europe, would result in those European immigrants being directly replaced by migrants from places like Africa, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh on a much more permanent basis? I know it didn't matter to you but for a lot of people it certainly would have, enough for Brexit not to have succeeded. And now we have the utterly grotesque spectacle of the small boat crossings being encouraged and then weaponised, as a deflection to actually cover up, what has taken place with legal immigration since Brexit. |
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Post by wannabee on Sept 30, 2024 14:00:56 GMT
There is an ugly aspect on this thread about immigration from the Indian subcontinent and the far east. We need them just as we needed the Windrush generation. Indeed Cokey. And why did Farage and Johnson conveniently fail to mention to their followers in 2016, that the net result of Brexit and the ending of freedom of movement in Europe, would result in those European immigrants being directly replaced by migrants from places like Africa, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh on a much more permanent basis? I know it didn't matter to you but for a lot of people it certainly would have, enough for Brexit not to have succeeded. And now we have the utterly grotesque spectacle of the small boat crossings being encouraged and then weaponised, as a deflection to actually cover up, what has taken place with legal immigration since Brexit.  |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 14:04:54 GMT
Jenrick from the outset, has decided to come on TV to lie.
He knows that Guru-Murthy knows that he's lying.
And when GM calls him out for his lie, he simply, without even blinking, continues the lie ...
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 30, 2024 14:26:46 GMT
I disagree. The reason many east Europeans left for their homelands is because of the lack of jobs. They came to the UK for work in the 00s, even doctors taking jobs stacking supermarket shelves. They started to leave before the referendum due to increased growth of their economies, such as Poland: tradingeconomics.com/poland/full-year-gdp-growthThat growth in eastern Europe was driven by the huge amount of regional aid given by the EU to build up their economies. £100s billions have gone to Poland, including UK taxes. www.statista.com/statistics/1135294/poland-s-contributions-to-and-receipts-from-the-eu-budget/#:~:text=Poland's%20contributions%20to%20and%20receipts%20from%20the%20EU%20budget%202004%2D2023&text=Since%202004%2C%20Poland%20has%20received,to%20over%2083.8%20billion%20euros. That was happening with or without Brexit. Brexit means the UK is no longer paying for it. It is the reason for the increase in vacancies, nothing to do with the value of the £. The same reason for UK vacancies applies to Germany which has even higher job vacancies, so bad it is holding back their economy. German vacancies at their highest level since the 1970s: tradingeconomics.com/germany/job-vacancies#:~:text=Job%20Vacancies%20in%20Germany%20increased,Thousand%20in%20December%20of%201982. There is an ugly aspect on this thread about immigration from the Indian subcontinent and the far east. We need them just as we needed the Windrush generation. Some have a right to come like Hongkongers, and we have a duty to accept them as we did Asians from Kenya. They contribute to out society and want make their lives here, not like some who come to make money, claim benefits like child benefit, and send the money to another country. The solution to immigration is investment in automation, robotics, AI , reducing long term sickness, preventative health care such as banning smoking, etc. Last Thursday my step daughter had to go to hospital for treatment and had to move away from the entrance area due to the intensity of smokers exhaling in total disobedience of the signs forbidding it. Disagree all you want, these are not my findings but those at the Migration Observatory at Oxford University If I were you I'd send them a strongly worded letter pointing out how their Academic Research on UK Migration is flawed and include your own research so they can adjust their Data which is used by Government and quoted by Media. My post concurs with the Migration Observatory link. It is you that posted to give the impression that net migration was " faĺling since" the Brexit referendum and due to the " collapse" in the value of the £ after the vote to leave the EU, with which I disagree. The graphs on the link support my post that immigration from the EU flattened off, and in some categories like Poland, started to decline before the referendum. See Figure 2: migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/eu-migration-to-and-from-the-uk/I don't deny that the vote to leave the EU triggered dual reactions of increasing those wanting to leave and fewer wanting to come, but the trend had already been established well before the referendum due to the strong economic growth in Eastern Europe funded in part by UK tax payers. |
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Post by Gawa on Sept 30, 2024 14:46:14 GMT
There is an ugly aspect on this thread about immigration from the Indian subcontinent and the far east. We need them just as we needed the Windrush generation. Indeed Cokey. And why did Farage and Johnson conveniently fail to mention to their followers in 2016, that the net result of Brexit and the ending of freedom of movement in Europe, would result in those European immigrants being directly replaced by migrants from places like Africa, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh on a much more permanent basis? I know it didn't matter to you but for a lot of people it certainly would have, enough for Brexit not to have succeeded. And now we have the utterly grotesque spectacle of the small boat crossings being encouraged and then weaponised, as a deflection to actually cover up, what has taken place with legal immigration since Brexit. With or without brexit we'd still be having the same conversation. The right wing don't appear to have any solutions aside from fear mongering. They'll always have someone to blame for our problems and thst itself is a good enough reason to never solve immigration. Because then who do you blame? I actually do see reasons to stay out of the EU with one of the main being their complicity in some of these conflicts going on around the world. The problem always comes back to not replacing the existing trade deals though. I thought we were meant to have an all dancing all signing trade deal with Americs for example. What happened with that? We follow them blindly into these wars and what do we get in return? I'm now warming to the thought of staying out of the EU as I think they're a bunch of warmongering criminals too. But what I'd propose and what I know our government would never do is to join the BRICS block instead. That would increase relationships and trade with some of the fastest growing economies in the world and could transform our future. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 30, 2024 14:53:44 GMT
Indeed Cokey. And why did Farage and Johnson conveniently fail to mention to their followers in 2016, that the net result of Brexit and the ending of freedom of movement in Europe, would result in those European immigrants being directly replaced by migrants from places like Africa, India, Pakistan and Bangladesh on a much more permanent basis? I know it didn't matter to you but for a lot of people it certainly would have, enough for Brexit not to have succeeded. And now we have the utterly grotesque spectacle of the small boat crossings being encouraged and then weaponised, as a deflection to actually cover up, what has taken place with legal immigration since Brexit. With or without brexit we'd still be having the same conversation. I disagree mate. If it wasn't for Brexit, we wouldn't have seen a massive increase in legal immigration from Africa and the sub continent, to replace the Europeans lost through the ending of the freedom of movement. And we wouldn't be watching the small boat 'crisis' being engineered to cover it up. I haven't responded to the rest of your post because that appeared to be more for the Brexit thread than the immigration one. |
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