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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 19, 2024 11:17:03 GMT
why does the church of england deem it necessary to delete church from its vocabulary in favour of community building ? will he have discussions with jews and muslims about ditching the terms synagogue and mosque from their religious buildings in the sprit of community harmony ? i very much doubt it . To get more non religious people in whereas the others dont need to beg for followers of their religion. Because most of Christianity has gone through various periods of reformation. And as a result most sane people in the modern world see religion for what it really is. The same can't be said for a lot of other religions..
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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2024 11:25:20 GMT
Is the difference not though that if you don't have 2 coins to rub together, you plead guilty because you are guilty.
If you have professional representation you plead not guilty even when you are guilty but you get off with the charge or more likely get away with a lesser charge and a stern ticking off.
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Post by OldStokie on Aug 19, 2024 12:11:47 GMT
Most who know me on here know my opinions already on a lot of these issues,anyway just a note of observation. When we go to away games 99% of the time we go for a curry afterwards,and have done this for decades. We went to Birmingham on Saturday and drove to Coventry rd (Small Heath) near BFC to a couple of restaurants I have been to before.We parked up and proceded to have a wander and a look for a resturant we fancied as we always do. What I will say is that the demograph similar to Manchester has totally changed.We were in the area for approx an hour 45/two hours,we never saw a single white person all of the time we were there,and there were a lot of people around too.Now this has never been the wealthiest/poshest of areas by a long shot but it has changed.Most of the people seem now to be middle eatern of North African and the Pakistani and Indians are now in the minority by quite a way,Rusholme is now the same. This never bothers me but is was noticable and I totally understand and get why some people are concerned and worried about their communities. But the thing is this is the people here to stay and theres nothing anyone can or should do about it.Regarding the future,well I cannot see that but things are changing some good some bad,the choice is either fight against it,welcome and accept it or attempt to educate people into understanding different cultures and people and attempt to blend people in what will be the new Britain in years to come.
Sorry if gobbledygook bit of a rant but I am at work. 'White UK' started to decline 70 years ago with the perfectly valid incoming of the Windrush generation of people from overseas. That was followed by an influx of former Colonials from countries we'd pillaged for many generations and the end product that that they became Commonwealth Citizens with the right to move here. (What an irony it was that PM May of the last Tory government then chose to try and deport that same Windrush generation and their descendants who we begged to come here after WW2 because we needed more people in our workforce after the losses during that war.) Most of the Commonwealth influx was from Pakistan (Muslims) and India (Hindus) which started the real change of cultures and faiths. It should have been obvious to everyone that the old White UK was finished when that happened. What we see now is a minority of the population clinging to the vain hope that we can become the old fashioned English/Welsh/Scottish country we used to be. It's gone... kaput! Personally, although I'm fully aware of some of the pitfalls racial/multicultural/multifaiths can engender, I embrace the change. Also, although I'm also aware of some of the bad side of being in the EU, I also embrace the influx of many of those from Europe who chose to live here. I was recently in hospital for a month and was looked after superbly by people from all those I've previously mentioned. It's what we are now; a multicultural/multifaith society and it can actually work fine providing we don't allow the extremists (from all sides) to create problems. You also mentioned that you chose to go to a place where you knew you could get decent meal. I'm sure that if you tried you could have found a pub that served up old fashioned British food and I'm also sure you could have found many restaurants that served up the very popular dishes from all over the world. I'm old enough to remember that back in my day all there was was bland British food and the best meal was either a fish and chip takeaway or (if you could afford it) roast beef and yorkie pudding. So, thank goodness for the wonderful choice of food we have nowadays whether it be a curry or a lovely serving of kotlet schabowy made as only the Poles can make it. Just my thoughts. OS.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 19, 2024 12:26:36 GMT
Not just the boats.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 19, 2024 12:34:55 GMT
another thought ? this mysogeny terrorism thing ....isn't it a generally held belief that it tends to be the asian community who have traditionally warped opinions of white women . isn't radical interpretations of the koran used to justify those opinions ? i'm wondering if this is a slanted attack on that type of culture ? Your research is incomplete The Torah and Bible have equally subservient views towards women hence women are not allowed to be Rabbis or Priests and in the former must sit separately in Orthodox Synagogue and women have very defined roles. The Catholic Church for instance has an offshoot the People of Praise who follow a Handmaiden lifestyle. They have a Ministry in the much discussed Croydon another in Edgeware and another in Harlow. Not sure if they have one in Stoke. You and i might find this type of behaviour "extreme" but it is not illegal if practised voluntarily which is the difficulty in calling something "extremist" Terrorism on the other hand is easily defined legally which involves harming or inciting harm on another person, in this case women. It's hardly surprising that Yvette Cooper is drawing this distinction between Mysogenistic Terrorism and Extremism on the back of the UK Police Chiefs Report that violence against Women and Girls has reached "Epidemic Levels" in England and Wales accounting for 20% of all crimes including Murder, Rape, Stalking and Online Sexual Abuse, the latter is also being tackled by amendments to the Online Safety Act So no it is only a generally held belief among those ignorant of the facts that it has something to do with Muslims or the Koran
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 19, 2024 12:35:19 GMT
Dunner werrit …..Starmer will smash the gangs
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Post by starkiller on Aug 19, 2024 12:51:52 GMT
Dunner werrit …..Starmer will smash the gangs Remember - all these are good people, and you are bad for being concerned.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 19, 2024 12:55:49 GMT
Invading "our" civilisation" What did Ghandi say when he arrived in the UK and was asked the question, What do you think of Western civilization? "I think it would be a good idea"
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 19, 2024 12:58:15 GMT
Most who know me on here know my opinions already on a lot of these issues,anyway just a note of observation. When we go to away games 99% of the time we go for a curry afterwards,and have done this for decades. We went to Birmingham on Saturday and drove to Coventry rd (Small Heath) near BFC to a couple of restaurants I have been to before.We parked up and proceded to have a wander and a look for a resturant we fancied as we always do. What I will say is that the demograph similar to Manchester has totally changed.We were in the area for approx an hour 45/two hours,we never saw a single white person all of the time we were there,and there were a lot of people around too.Now this has never been the wealthiest/poshest of areas by a long shot but it has changed.Most of the people seem now to be middle eatern of North African and the Pakistani and Indians are now in the minority by quite a way,Rusholme is now the same. This never bothers me but is was noticable and I totally understand and get why some people are concerned and worried about their communities. But the thing is this is the people here to stay and theres nothing anyone can or should do about it.Regarding the future,well I cannot see that but things are changing some good some bad,the choice is either fight against it,welcome and accept it or attempt to educate people into understanding different cultures and people and attempt to blend people in what will be the new Britain in years to come.
Sorry if gobbledygook bit of a rant but I am at work. 'White UK' started to decline 70 years ago with the perfectly valid incoming of the Windrush generation of people from overseas. That was followed by an influx of former Colonials from countries we'd pillaged for many generations and the end product that that they became Commonwealth Citizens with the right to move here. (What an irony it was that PM May of the last Tory government then chose to try and deport that same Windrush generation and their descendants who we begged to come here after WW2 because we needed more people in our workforce after the losses during that war.) Most of the Commonwealth influx was from Pakistan (Muslims) and India (Hindus) which started the real change of cultures and faiths. It should have been obvious to everyone that the old White UK was finished when that happened. What we see now is a minority of the population clinging to the vain hope that we can become the old fashioned English/Welsh/Scottish country we used to be. It's gone... kaput! Personally, although I'm fully aware of some of the pitfalls racial/multicultural/multifaiths can engender, I embrace the change. Also, although I'm also aware of some of the bad side of being in the EU, I also embrace the influx of many of those from Europe who chose to live here. I was recently in hospital for a month and was looked after superbly by people from all those I've previously mentioned. It's what we are now; a multicultural/multifaith society and it can actually work fine providing we don't allow the extremists (from all sides) to create problems. You also mentioned that you chose to go to a place where you knew you could get decent meal. I'm sure that if you tried you could have found a pub that served up old fashioned British food and I'm also sure you could have found many restaurants that served up the very popular dishes from all over the world. I'm old enough to remember that back in my day all there was was bland British food and the best meal was either a fish and chip takeaway or (if you could afford it) roast beef and yorkie pudding. So, thank goodness for the wonderful choice of food we have nowadays whether it be a curry or a lovely serving of kotlet schabowy made as only the Poles can make it. Just my thoughts. OS. Cracking post Mick!
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Post by starkiller on Aug 19, 2024 12:59:28 GMT
Invading "our" civilisation" What did Ghandi say when he arrived in the UK and was asked the question, What do you think of Western civilization? "I think it would be a good idea" It's a video of an incident. But let's ignore that issue. You are reaching Starmer levels of diversion.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 19, 2024 13:13:10 GMT
wasn't it published that the "class" of people who were rioting were those who were most likely to vote labour eg scroungers , and benefit claimants ? just seems ironic that they are jailing their white supporters ? If it was why don't you link it? Unless it was in the Daily Hate, in which case I fully understand 😃 i don't think this is a tory voter
and its not the daily hate either
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Post by elystokie on Aug 19, 2024 13:15:57 GMT
If it was why don't you link it? Unless it was in the Daily Hate, in which case I fully understand 😃 i don't think this is a tory voter
and its not the daily hate either
Why are you changing the argument from what you originally stated?
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 19, 2024 13:23:15 GMT
Invading "our" civilisation" What did Ghandi say when he arrived in the UK and was asked the question, What do you think of Western civilization? "I think it would be a good idea" It's a video of an incident. But let's ignore that issue. You are reaching Starmer levels of diversion. Mine was also a geuinine quote in response to the Euro Invasion "civilisation" bollocks Can we only respond to what you want us to respond to? Starmer - Only in your mind buddy.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 19, 2024 13:33:55 GMT
If it was why don't you link it? Unless it was in the Daily Hate, in which case I fully understand 😃 i don't think this is a tory voter
and its not the daily hate either
None of those people you have linked are stated to be on Benefits, Labour Voters or Voters at all which was your claim that it had been reported.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 19, 2024 14:12:49 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 19, 2024 14:14:19 GMT
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 19, 2024 14:45:38 GMT
Invading "our" civilisation" What did Ghandi say when he arrived in the UK and was asked the question, What do you think of Western civilization? "I think it would be a good idea" It's a video of an incident. But let's ignore that issue. You are reaching Starmer levels of diversion. You're also missing the fact that they wouldn't be fleeing their respective countries if we and our allies hadn't bombed the shit out of them in the recent past. Always something you always recognised, not sure what's happened to you mate.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 19, 2024 14:50:05 GMT
i don't think this is a tory voter
and its not the daily hate either
None of those people you have linked are stated to be on Benefits, Labour Voters or Voters at all which was your claim that it had been reported. Exactly. Straw man argument, and a shit one at that.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 19, 2024 14:51:19 GMT
It's a video of an incident. But let's ignore that issue. You are reaching Starmer levels of diversion. You're also missing the fact that they wouldn't be fleeing their respective countries if we and our allies hadn't bombed the shit out of them in the recent past. Always something you always recognised, not sure what's happened to you mate. Never supported these wars, but I'm not sure they are the reason. The women aren't fleeing.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 19, 2024 15:04:33 GMT
It is only boorish people like James Whale and anyone that accepts his misinformed nonsense who believe that it is illegal to enter the UK Unauthorised and without a Visa, it is not illegal It only becomes illegal if that person fails to make a claim for Asylum or if the Asylum claim is rejected then it becomes illegal punishable by up to 4 years in Prison That's the Law
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Post by Northy on Aug 19, 2024 15:19:06 GMT
It's a video of an incident. But let's ignore that issue. You are reaching Starmer levels of diversion. You're also missing the fact that they wouldn't be fleeing their respective countries if we and our allies hadn't bombed the shit out of them in the recent past. Always something you always recognised, not sure what's happened to you mate. Since when did we recently bomb the shit out of Albania, Pakistan, Somalia, most west African countries etc ?
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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2024 22:38:30 GMT
It's a video of an incident. But let's ignore that issue. You are reaching Starmer levels of diversion. You're also missing the fact that they wouldn't be fleeing their respective countries if we and our allies hadn't bombed the shit out of them in the recent past. Always something you always recognised, not sure what's happened to you mate. They absolutely would. No one is fleeing anywhere. The fundamental problem is 90% of the people in the world are born in some despotic, poverty stricken shit hole awash with religious nutters and crazed dictators. And they can now see at internet speed there are much better places to be. They can hop on a flight and be somewhere nice in few short hours and file an asylum application on an App in 10 minutes. The question is what do we do about it. It's right up there with climate change as the biggest challenge of our time.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2024 1:45:42 GMT
You do realise that he's laughing at you, don't you?
He and Ash Gould aren't really that stupid ...
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Post by knype on Aug 20, 2024 3:58:46 GMT
It's a video of an incident. But let's ignore that issue. You are reaching Starmer levels of diversion. You're also missing the fact that they wouldn't be fleeing their respective countries if we and our allies hadn't bombed the shit out of them in the recent past. Always something you always recognised, not sure what's happened to you mate. When did we last bomb places like Sudan and Eritrea?
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Post by knype on Aug 20, 2024 3:59:14 GMT
You do realise that he's laughing at you, don't you? He and Ash Gould aren't really that stupid ...
Ah so they are doing it just for laughs?
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Post by mrnovember on Aug 20, 2024 6:01:24 GMT
It's a video of an incident. But let's ignore that issue. You are reaching Starmer levels of diversion. You're also missing the fact that they wouldn't be fleeing their respective countries if we and our allies hadn't bombed the shit out of them in the recent past. Always something you always recognised, not sure what's happened to you mate. I never get this one. Why would someone flee a country that was being bombed the shit out of, to seek refuge in the country responsible for said bombing. Via shitloads of safe countries to boot.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2024 8:09:06 GMT
You do realise that he's laughing at you, don't you? He and Ash Gould aren't really that stupid ...
Ah so they are doing it just for laughs? No, just for money, knype.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2024 15:50:12 GMT
Excellent piece ...
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2024 16:23:12 GMT
Nesrine Malik is entitled to an opinion
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2024 16:32:34 GMT
Nesrine Malik is entitled to an opinion What do you think of it?
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