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Post by starkiller on Aug 18, 2024 18:13:17 GMT
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Post by Gods on Aug 18, 2024 18:30:40 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear Yes, somehow they have to bring a halt to the humiliating spectacle of tens of thousands of people in rubber dinghies gatecrashing Britain. The stated plan, as I understand it, is to 'Smash the gangs' by breaking their business model. I don't think this can be done without the support of France. But unfortunately France just want these folks gone from their shores so have no interest in stopping them, quite the reverse in fact. There is a school of thought that there is an undeclared plan which involves accepting an annual quota of asylum seekers from the EU in order to get EU agreement to take back migrants who have illegally entered the UK via the Channel. In short, who knows!
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Post by sticky on Aug 18, 2024 18:35:44 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear Yes, somehow they have bring a halt to the humiliating spectacle of tens of thousands of people in rubber dinghies gatecrashing Britain. The stated plan, as I understand it, is to 'Smash the gangs' by breaking their business model. I don't think this can be done without the support of France. But unfortunately France just want these folks gone from their shores so have no interest in stopping them, quite the reverse in fact. There is a school of of thought that there is an undeclared plan which involves accepting an annual quota of asylum seekers from the EU in order to get EU agreement to take back migrants who have illegally entered the UK via the Channel. In short, who knows! Almost as if the EU will cherry pick all the skilled educated migrants and we’ll end up with the ones they don’t want. Might seem cynical but wouldn’t be suprised
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2024 18:38:18 GMT
Yes, somehow they have bring a halt to the humiliating spectacle of tens of thousands of people in rubber dinghies gatecrashing Britain. The stated plan, as I understand it, is to 'Smash the gangs' by breaking their business model. I don't think this can be done without the support of France. But unfortunately France just want these folks gone from their shores so have no interest in stopping them, quite the reverse in fact. There is a school of of thought that there is an undeclared plan which involves accepting an annual quota of asylum seekers from the EU in order to get EU agreement to take back migrants who have illegally entered the UK via the Channel. In short, who knows! Almost as if the EU will cherry pick all the skilled educated migrants and we’ll end up with the ones they don’t want. Might seem cynical but wouldn’t be suprised Don’t be silly, everybody knows all immigrants are doctors and nurses, without them the NHS is finished etc
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 18, 2024 18:39:42 GMT
Do you feel gratified that a great deal of your taxes are going to support these illegal immigrants? About time we actually blocked these ‘small boats’ in the Channel. You want to employ the navy to stop the boats? How does that actually work? Sink them and kill people? Tow them back to France? And what happens when the French navy stop British vessels entering French waters? Go to war with France? You haven't thought this through have you...... Nobody has thought anything through have they? The Rwanda plan was a non starter because of the human rights brigade, although it was starting to have an effect, the right wing riots couple of weeks ago were motivated by "illegal immigrants" so now the government are filling prisons that they wanted to empty due to over crowding. Smashing the gangs…what’s happening and in the meantime in the space of 6 weeks uncontrolled immigration has increased from 14k to 19k this year and barmy Starmer buries his head.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2024 18:40:42 GMT
You want to employ the navy to stop the boats? How does that actually work? Sink them and kill people? Tow them back to France? And what happens when the French navy stop British vessels entering French waters? Go to war with France? You haven't thought this through have you...... Nobody has thought anything through have they? The Rwanda plan was a non starter because of the human rights brigade, although it was starting to have an effect, the right wing riots couple of weeks ago were motivated by "illegal immigrants" so now the government are filling prisons that they wanted to empty due to over crowding. Smashing the gangs…what’s happening and in the meantime in the space of 6 weeks uncontrolled immigration has increased from 14k to 19k this year and barmy Starmer buries his head. 100% spot on
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 18, 2024 18:47:06 GMT
Do you feel gratified that a great deal of your taxes are going to support these illegal immigrants? About time we actually blocked these ‘small boats’ in the Channel. You want to employ the navy to stop the boats? How does that actually work? Sink them and kill people? Tow them back to France? And what happens when the French navy stop British vessels entering French waters? Go to war with France? You haven't thought this through have you...... Go to war with France, now there's an idea. I mean they are a bunch of surrender monkeys after all 😆
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 18, 2024 19:01:31 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear The people obsessed with immigration didn't vote for Starmer, they voted for Farage. Why the hell should Starmer be worried about people who would never vote for him anyway?
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Post by sticky on Aug 18, 2024 19:07:45 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear The people obsessed with immigration didn't vote for Starmer, they voted for Farage. Why the hell should Starmer be worried about people who would never vote for him anyway? How do you know who did and didn’t vote for him? He’s pledged to do something, so he should be doing it shouldn’t he? I’m all for going in on the Tory’s when they’re useless, but you can’t be selective now he’s in charge. Whether you like it or not, immigration is the biggest talking point atm, burying your head in the sand and hoping it goes away isn’t going to work
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2024 19:08:56 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear The people obsessed with immigration didn't vote for Starmer, they voted for Farage. Why the hell should Starmer be worried about people who would never vote for him anyway? Why should the prime minister be worried about the country he runs? Is that what you’re asking? Are you a politician yourself because you have a habit of talking utter rubbish
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 18, 2024 19:14:01 GMT
You want to employ the navy to stop the boats? How does that actually work? Sink them and kill people? Tow them back to France? And what happens when the French navy stop British vessels entering French waters? Go to war with France? You haven't thought this through have you...... Nobody has thought anything through have they? The Rwanda plan was a non starter because of the human rights brigade, although it was starting to have an effect, the right wing riots couple of weeks ago were motivated by "illegal immigrants" so now the government are filling prisons that they wanted to empty due to over crowding. Smashing the gangs…what’s happening and in the meantime in the space of 6 weeks uncontrolled immigration has increased from 14k to 19k this year and barmy Starmer buries his head. The Tories were in power for 14 years and did nothing about illegal immigration. The Labour Party haven't been in 14 weeks and you expect them to have sorted it out? Get real. As to the rioters - they've ended up where they deserve to be. Half of them hadn't a clue what they were rioting for, other than getting a buzz or going home with whatever they could loot and those that were in it to protest against immigration wanted to burn people alive. The latter is at least a practical solution - not one person on here has come up with anything remotely like a solution, final or otherwise.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 18, 2024 19:18:41 GMT
The people obsessed with immigration didn't vote for Starmer, they voted for Farage. Why the hell should Starmer be worried about people who would never vote for him anyway? How do you know who did and didn’t vote for him? He’s pledged to do something, so he should be doing it shouldn’t he? I’m all for going in on the Tory’s when they’re useless, but you can’t be selective now he’s in charge. Whether you like it or not, immigration is the biggest talking point atm, burying your head in the sand and hoping it goes away isn’t going to work It's the biggest talking point among a certain group of people. Most people aren't that bothered because in the grand scheme of things it isn't a big issue. If anyone who voted for Starmer because they are that concerned about immigration is an idiot, almost as stupid as voting Tory. Vote Reform - they want and need your vote, Labour will make a few noises bit they really couldn't give a fuck about your vote. And why should they - you don't share their values.
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Post by sticky on Aug 18, 2024 19:38:36 GMT
How do you know who did and didn’t vote for him? He’s pledged to do something, so he should be doing it shouldn’t he? I’m all for going in on the Tory’s when they’re useless, but you can’t be selective now he’s in charge. Whether you like it or not, immigration is the biggest talking point atm, burying your head in the sand and hoping it goes away isn’t going to work It's the biggest talking point among a certain group of people. Most people aren't that bothered because in the grand scheme of things it isn't a big issue. If anyone who voted for Starmer because they are that concerned about immigration is an idiot, almost as stupid as voting Tory. Vote Reform - they want and need your vote, Labour will make a few noises bit they really couldn't give a fuck about your vote. And why should they - you don't share their values. Ah right, I must of imagined the “smash the criminal boat gangs” slogan. And immigration is a massive talking point up and down the country, I’m not sure what you mean by “certain groups of people” Anyway, back to the question I asked earlier.. what’s been done about smashing the boat gangs, not heard much about it
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2024 19:44:32 GMT
It's the biggest talking point among a certain group of people. Most people aren't that bothered because in the grand scheme of things it isn't a big issue. If anyone who voted for Starmer because they are that concerned about immigration is an idiot, almost as stupid as voting Tory. Vote Reform - they want and need your vote, Labour will make a few noises bit they really couldn't give a fuck about your vote. And why should they - you don't share their values. Ah right, I must of imagined the “smash the criminal boat gangs” slogan. And immigration is a massive talking point up and down the country, I’m not sure what you mean by “certain groups of people” Anyway, back to the question I asked earlier.. what’s been done about smashing the boat gangs, not heard much about it It’s all corrupt as fuck, this government will revel in brushing immigration under the carpet by locking up white people for acts of defiance
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Post by sticky on Aug 18, 2024 19:55:16 GMT
Ah right, I must of imagined the “smash the criminal boat gangs” slogan. And immigration is a massive talking point up and down the country, I’m not sure what you mean by “certain groups of people” Anyway, back to the question I asked earlier.. what’s been done about smashing the boat gangs, not heard much about it It’s all corrupt as fuck, this government will revel in brushing immigration under the carpet by locking up white people for acts of defiance It’s not going away though is it? I get that there’s differing opinions on immigration, but I’m absolutely amazed that certain people don’t think that it’s a massive talking point up and down the country. To try and shut it down with the racist, thick or whatever else , is just making the issue even worse! And we’ve had slogans in the past that have been scrutinised and called out (rightly) as utter bollocks, so why is this slogan any different?
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Post by 4372 on Aug 18, 2024 20:27:08 GMT
Once again, it's a nice summer day here. Sun is out. Yesterday, at a local venue, people held a lovely and successful event to welcome and help the integration of immigrants. Cricket on TV later. Don't waste summer. And ignore the fact the country is going to hell in a handcart. The ostrich mentality of some on here is mind boggling. What on earth have ostriches got to do with immigration? Are they coming here illegally as well?? Or have you got an irrational dislike of them too?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2024 20:28:06 GMT
And ignore the fact the country is going to hell in a handcart. The ostrich mentality of some on here is mind boggling. What on earth have ostriches got to do with immigration? Are they coming here illegally as well?? Or have you got an irrational dislike of them too? Nothing irrational about it. Nice try at a funny though, it nearly made me smirk for a moment
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Post by 4372 on Aug 18, 2024 20:32:15 GMT
Have you not seen the "No Smirking" signs?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 18, 2024 22:25:25 GMT
Ah right, I must of imagined the “smash the criminal boat gangs” slogan. And immigration is a massive talking point up and down the country, I’m not sure what you mean by “certain groups of people” Anyway, back to the question I asked earlier.. what’s been done about smashing the boat gangs, not heard much about it It’s all corrupt as fuck, this government will revel in brushing immigration under the carpet by locking up white people for acts of defiance So are they locking up brown people for acts of 'defiance' too, or aren't their sentences corrupt?
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 19, 2024 6:10:22 GMT
Nobody has thought anything through have they? The Rwanda plan was a non starter because of the human rights brigade, although it was starting to have an effect, the right wing riots couple of weeks ago were motivated by "illegal immigrants" so now the government are filling prisons that they wanted to empty due to over crowding. Smashing the gangs…what’s happening and in the meantime in the space of 6 weeks uncontrolled immigration has increased from 14k to 19k this year and barmy Starmer buries his head. The Tories were in power for 14 years and did nothing about illegal immigration. The Labour Party haven't been in 14 weeks and you expect them to have sorted it out? Get real. As to the rioters - they've ended up where they deserve to be. Half of them hadn't a clue what they were rioting for, other than getting a buzz or going home with whatever they could loot and those that were in it to protest against immigration wanted to burn people alive. The latter is at least a practical solution - not one person on here has come up with anything remotely like a solution, final or otherwise.
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Post by Davef on Aug 19, 2024 6:58:38 GMT
How do you know who did and didn’t vote for him? He’s pledged to do something, so he should be doing it shouldn’t he? I’m all for going in on the Tory’s when they’re useless, but you can’t be selective now he’s in charge. Whether you like it or not, immigration is the biggest talking point atm, burying your head in the sand and hoping it goes away isn’t going to work Vote Reform - they want and need your vote, Labour will make a few noises bit they really couldn't give a fuck about your vote. And why should they - you don't share their values. That didn't stop Starmer writing a column in The Sun and, I'm pretty sure, The Daily Mail.
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Post by 4372 on Aug 19, 2024 8:55:33 GMT
Apparently ostriches don't bury their heads in the sand. It's a myth.
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Post by pipegatepotter on Aug 19, 2024 10:31:48 GMT
It’s all corrupt as fuck, this government will revel in brushing immigration under the carpet by locking up white people for acts of defiance So are they locking up brown people for acts of 'defiance' too, or aren't their sentences corrupt? Most sanctimonious poster ever.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 19, 2024 10:42:58 GMT
Labour is threatening to dismantle the hugely successful Conservative Immigration Policies which saw 685,000 Net Legal Immigrants last year and 740,000 the year before. This doesn't include the 29,000 who came in small boats in 2023 or the 13,000 who came up to June of this year.
Controversially they will divert £75M earmarked for the again highly successful Rwanda Scheme which saw 4 migrants volunteer to be paid to go to Rwanda and 2 Home Secretaries have a Jolly out there at a minimal cost of £500M
The £75M will be used to set up an intelligence led operation to identify and prosecute the boat smugglers as people traffickers. Whether this will be as successful as the Conservative Policies remains to be seen
Labour also intend to repeal the Illegal Immigration Act which currently sees about 50,000 people sitting in limbo, actually Hotels unable to make an Asylum Claim or Home Office Civil Servants to review if valid or not. They are effectively non people who don't exist. Whether these Hotel Dwelling people have resorted to the Black Economy to supplement the £39.63 per week they receive for food, clothing and toiletries is purely speculative. Labour believes it will be better to find out who these people are and if they have a valid claim allow them to work, pay taxes and move out of State provided accommodation. It's a novel approach I suppose.
To be fair Labour hasn't said what it will do with failed applicants. One big impediment is that since Brexit UK has no access to EU Databases to see if the Asylum Seeker had already made a claim in another Country which meant they could be immediately deported back there, although Home Office rarely got around to doing it. Another problem is that even if an Asylum Claim fails if they have come from say Afghanistan, Iraq, Gaza etc there is no way UK can send them back there. Some might say UK helped caused the conditions in those Countries which prompted the Asylum Seeker to migrate in the first place, but they would be nit picking.
In any case we shall see if Labour are as successful as the Conservatives were at dealing with the situation in the coming months and years.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 19, 2024 10:58:30 GMT
wasn't it published that the "class" of people who were rioting were those who were most likely to vote labour eg scroungers , and benefit claimants ?
just seems ironic that they are jailing their white supporters ?
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Post by phileetin on Aug 19, 2024 11:04:06 GMT
another thought ?
this mysogeny terrorism thing ....isn't it a generally held belief that it tends to be the asian community who have traditionally warped opinions of white women . isn't radical interpretations of the koran used to justify those opinions ?
i'm wondering if this is a slanted attack on that type of culture ?
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 19, 2024 11:06:42 GMT
Most who know me on here know my opinions already on a lot of these issues,anyway just a note of observation. When we go to away games 99% of the time we go for a curry afterwards,and have done this for decades. We went to Birmingham on Saturday and drove to Coventry rd (Small Heath) near BFC to a couple of restaurants I have been to before.We parked up and proceded to have a wander and a look for a resturant we fancied as we always do. What I will say is that the demograph similar to Manchester has totally changed.We were in the area for approx an hour 45/two hours,we never saw a single white person all of the time we were there,and there were a lot of people around too.Now this has never been the wealthiest/poshest of areas by a long shot but it has changed.Most of the people seem now to be middle eatern of North African and the Pakistani and Indians are now in the minority by quite a way,Rusholme is now the same. This never bothers me but is was noticable and I totally understand and get why some people are concerned and worried about their communities. But the thing is this is the people here to stay and theres nothing anyone can or should do about it.Regarding the future,well I cannot see that but things are changing some good some bad,the choice is either fight against it,welcome and accept it or attempt to educate people into understanding different cultures and people and attempt to blend people in what will be the new Britain in years to come. Sorry if gobbledygook bit of a rant but I am at work.
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Post by phileetin on Aug 19, 2024 11:07:24 GMT
why does the church of england deem it necessary to delete church from its vocabulary in favour of community building ?
will he have discussions with jews and muslims about ditching the terms synagogue and mosque from their religious buildings in the sprit of community harmony ?
i very much doubt it .
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Post by elystokie on Aug 19, 2024 11:10:07 GMT
wasn't it published that the "class" of people who were rioting were those who were most likely to vote labour eg scroungers , and benefit claimants ? just seems ironic that they are jailing their white supporters ? If it was why don't you link it? Unless it was in the Daily Hate, in which case I fully understand 😃
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 19, 2024 11:12:00 GMT
why does the church of england deem it necessary to delete church from its vocabulary in favour of community building ? will he have discussions with jews and muslims about ditching the terms synagogue and mosque from their religious buildings in the sprit of community harmony ? i very much doubt it . To get more non religious people in whereas the others dont need to beg for followers of their religion.
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