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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2024 16:39:22 GMT
Nesrine Malik is entitled to an opinion What do you think of it? I think it’s partly correct but exaggerated to say immigration isn’t a main contributor to the destruction of this country
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 20, 2024 17:04:21 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 20, 2024 17:07:23 GMT
You're also missing the fact that they wouldn't be fleeing their respective countries if we and our allies hadn't bombed the shit out of them in the recent past. Always something you always recognised, not sure what's happened to you mate. When did we last bomb places like Sudan and Eritrea? A few years ago I went to one of my nieces weddings she was marrying a very pleasant hard working Eritrean lad The second half of the reception was very Eritrean in custom You couldn’t meet a more pleasant accommodating group of people anywhere When speaking to some of them they had all fled political persecution there country being run by a distinctly unpleasant individual Everyone of them was working hard paying there taxes and couldn’t of been more grateful to this country for the gift of freedom
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Post by gawa on Aug 20, 2024 19:03:59 GMT
They obviously didn't interact enough in the laundry rooms.
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Post by mrnovember on Aug 20, 2024 19:23:27 GMT
When did we last bomb places like Sudan and Eritrea? A few years ago I went to one of my nieces weddings she was marrying a very pleasant hard working Eritrean lad The second half of the reception was very Eritrean in custom You couldn’t meet a more pleasant accommodating group of people anywhere When speaking to some of them they had all fled political persecution there country being run by a distinctly unpleasant individual Everyone of them was working hard paying there taxes and couldn’t of been more grateful to this country for the gift of freedom Well that's it then. Disband the border force.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 20, 2024 19:32:51 GMT
A few years ago I went to one of my nieces weddings she was marrying a very pleasant hard working Eritrean lad The second half of the reception was very Eritrean in custom You couldn’t meet a more pleasant accommodating group of people anywhere When speaking to some of them they had all fled political persecution there country being run by a distinctly unpleasant individual Everyone of them was working hard paying there taxes and couldn’t of been more grateful to this country for the gift of freedom Well that's it then. Disband the border force. No more like there’s good and bad in all and treat and judge people how they treat you And stop believing jingoistic bull shit spread by people with hidden agendas
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2024 19:36:45 GMT
Well that's it then. Disband the border force. No more like there’s good and bad in all and treat and judge people how they treat you And stop believing jingoistic bull shit spread by people with hidden agendas I had two Eritrean lads do some labour work for me last year, they were hard working, positive and respectful. It doesn’t change my stance on this country’s shocking immigration policy. Lots of people have positive experiences but it can’t cloud thinking about what is best for Britain. It’s time to take hard action and upset some people I’m afraid
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 20, 2024 19:47:11 GMT
No more like there’s good and bad in all and treat and judge people how they treat you And stop believing jingoistic bull shit spread by people with hidden agendas I had two Eritrean lads do some labour work for me last year, they were hard working, positive and respectful. It doesn’t change my stance on this country’s shocking immigration policy. Lots of people have positive experiences but it can’t cloud thinking about what is best for Britain. It’s time to take hard action and upset some people I’m afraid I’m not saying it should change anyone’s mind on the level of migration which I also believe is to high I’m merely trying to point out that I only have positive experiences of people mentioned earlier in this thread
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 20, 2024 19:48:43 GMT
I had two Eritrean lads do some labour work for me last year, they were hard working, positive and respectful. It doesn’t change my stance on this country’s shocking immigration policy. Lots of people have positive experiences but it can’t cloud thinking about what is best for Britain. It’s time to take hard action and upset some people I’m afraid I’m not saying it should change anyone’s mind on the level of migration which I also believe is to high I’m merely trying to point out that I only have positive experiences of people mentioned earlier in this thread That’s fair enough
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2024 5:52:16 GMT
No more like there’s good and bad in all and treat and judge people how they treat you And stop believing jingoistic bull shit spread by people with hidden agendas I had two Eritrean lads do some labour work for me last year, they were hard working, positive and respectful. It doesn’t change my stance on this country’s shocking immigration policy. Lots of people have positive experiences but it can’t cloud thinking about what is best for Britain. It’s time to take hard action and upset some people I’m afraid This. I’ve had many positive encounters with lads and girls from all over the globe that are asylum seekers and from my experience they’ve been a really good bunch and very humble people who put a large number of our British lads and girls to shame with there attitudes. If we had the infrastructure to cope I’d love to have everyone in this country but we’re struggling to cope which of course isn’t there fault but there has to be a proper solution re processing asylum cases and building new surgeries, schools, housing etc Because if the numbers increase at the rate they are more and more people won’t be getting the support they need and deserve. Something has to give.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 21, 2024 6:45:24 GMT
No more like there’s good and bad in all and treat and judge people how they treat you And stop believing jingoistic bull shit spread by people with hidden agendas I had two Eritrean lads do some labour work for me last year, they were hard working, positive and respectful. It doesn’t change my stance on this country’s shocking immigration policy. Lots of people have positive experiences but it can’t cloud thinking about what is best for Britain. It’s time to take hard action and upset some people I’m afraid What do you mean by "hard action" and who is going to take it?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 21, 2024 6:46:16 GMT
I think it’s partly correct but exaggerated to say immigration isn’t a main contributor to the destruction of this country How is this country being destroyed and how are immigrants contributing to that destruction?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 21, 2024 7:14:32 GMT
I had two Eritrean lads do some labour work for me last year, they were hard working, positive and respectful. It doesn’t change my stance on this country’s shocking immigration policy. Lots of people have positive experiences but it can’t cloud thinking about what is best for Britain. It’s time to take hard action and upset some people I’m afraid This. I’ve had many positive encounters with lads and girls from all over the globe that are asylum seekers and from my experience they’ve been a really good bunch and very humble people who put a large number of our British lads and girls to shame with there attitudes. If we had the infrastructure to cope I’d love to have everyone in this country but we’re struggling to cope which of course isn’t there fault but there has to be a proper solution re processing asylum cases and building new surgeries, schools, housing etc Because if the numbers increase at the rate they are more and more people won’t be getting the support they need and deserve. Something has to give. Surely it's the controlled net immigration that represents at least 95% of the immigration total that's stretching resources? Since immigration has been proven to be a net fiscal benefit it would seem, something, somewhere, has been grossly mismanaged for a fair few years and that the net fiscal benefit immigration brings has been directed elsewhere 🤔
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 21, 2024 9:29:06 GMT
This. I’ve had many positive encounters with lads and girls from all over the globe that are asylum seekers and from my experience they’ve been a really good bunch and very humble people who put a large number of our British lads and girls to shame with there attitudes. If we had the infrastructure to cope I’d love to have everyone in this country but we’re struggling to cope which of course isn’t there fault but there has to be a proper solution re processing asylum cases and building new surgeries, schools, housing etc Because if the numbers increase at the rate they are more and more people won’t be getting the support they need and deserve. Something has to give. Surely it's the controlled net immigration that represents at least 95% of the immigration total that's stretching resources? Since immigration has been proven to be a net fiscal benefit it would seem, something, somewhere, has been grossly mismanaged for a fair few years and that the net fiscal benefit immigration brings has been directed elsewhere 🤔 I don’t think that there’s any doubt that a number of issues have been mismanaged and that if the right people are coming into the country and can benefit the system whether it’s the NHS or other agencies then it’s great but there has to be a cap and there has to be proper monitoring so that we and the asylum seeker can reap the benefits. As with most things if you deal with individuals rather than groups you’ll get a better result.
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Post by wannabee on Aug 21, 2024 10:03:57 GMT
Surely it's the controlled net immigration that represents at least 95% of the immigration total that's stretching resources? Since immigration has been proven to be a net fiscal benefit it would seem, something, somewhere, has been grossly mismanaged for a fair few years and that the net fiscal benefit immigration brings has been directed elsewhere 🤔 I don’t think that there’s any doubt that a number of issues have been mismanaged and that if the right people are coming into the country and can benefit the system whether it’s the NHS or other agencies then it’s great but there has to be a cap and there has to be proper monitoring so that we and the asylum seeker can reap the benefits. As with most things if you deal with individuals rather than groups you’ll get a better result. I'm sure Ely will correct me if I have misinterpreted his post of which I thoroughly agree with. The approximate 1.5M people who have come to this Country in the last two years are not Asylum Seekers but Economic Migrants with Visas who have been invited to come to this Country to fill the Skills shortages without which Public Services primarily NHS and the Care Sector would collapse. As these people are gainfully employed and paying taxes and a multitude of studies show that Migrants are net contributors to the Economy, Ely is questioning, rightly so, where has the money been spent. The answer is not proportional to the influx of people on Housing, Schools etc This is the Crux and fundamental question people should be focused on. In the same period about 50K people came to this Country uninvited and these are Asylum Seekers. We don't know if they are genuine or not because since summer 2023 Government decided not to find out and simply decided to house them in Hotels without any plan of what to do with them other than mythically send them to Rwanda Ely used the 95%/5% equation, it is closer to 97%/3% and it's this 3% most of the attention is focused on rather than what actions have been taken to accommodate the 1.5M people that have been invited here. Maybe we will get a definition of what "Hard Action" would entail, presumably against the 3%. We have to take into account when we are deciding on this hard action that UK gains a lot of influence in Soft Power and if we sign up to International Agreements e.g. ECHR we are obligated to follow the rules. Of course as an independent Country we can withdraw from International Agreements but there are consequences
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Post by elystokie on Aug 21, 2024 10:39:47 GMT
I don’t think that there’s any doubt that a number of issues have been mismanaged and that if the right people are coming into the country and can benefit the system whether it’s the NHS or other agencies then it’s great but there has to be a cap and there has to be proper monitoring so that we and the asylum seeker can reap the benefits. As with most things if you deal with individuals rather than groups you’ll get a better result. I'm sure Ely will correct me if I have misinterpreted his post of which I thoroughly agree with. The approximate 1.5M people who have come to this Country in the last two years are not Asylum Seekers but Economic Migrants with Visas who have been invited to come to this Country to fill the Skills shortages without which Public Services primarily NHS and the Care Sector would collapse. As these people are gainfully employed and paying taxes and a multitude of studies show that Migrants are net contributors to the Economy, Ely is questioning, rightly so, where has the money been spent. The answer is not proportional to the influx of people on Housing, Schools etc This is the Crux and fundamental question people should be focused on. In the same period about 50K people came to this Country uninvited and these are Asylum Seekers. We don't know if they are genuine or not because since summer 2023 Government decided not to find out and simply decided to house them in Hotels without any plan of what to do with them other than mythically send them to Rwanda Ely used the 95%/5% equation, it is closer to 97%/3% and it's this 3% most of the attention is focused on rather than what actions have been taken to accommodate the 1.5M people that have been invited here. Maybe we will get a definition of what "Hard Action" would entail, presumably against the 3%. We have to take into account when we are deciding on this hard action that UK gains a lot of influence in Soft Power and if we sign up to International Agreements e.g. ECHR we are obligated to follow the rules. Of course as an independent Country we can withdraw from International Agreements but there are consequences Beautifully put 👍 Typical 'look over there' sleight of hand tactics by the last government and their client press.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 21, 2024 11:03:49 GMT
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 21, 2024 11:16:06 GMT
This. I’ve had many positive encounters with lads and girls from all over the globe that are asylum seekers and from my experience they’ve been a really good bunch and very humble people who put a large number of our British lads and girls to shame with there attitudes. If we had the infrastructure to cope I’d love to have everyone in this country but we’re struggling to cope which of course isn’t there fault but there has to be a proper solution re processing asylum cases and building new surgeries, schools, housing etc Because if the numbers increase at the rate they are more and more people won’t be getting the support they need and deserve. Something has to give. Surely it's the controlled net immigration that represents at least 95% of the immigration total that's stretching resources? Since immigration has been proven to be a net fiscal benefit it would seem, something, somewhere, has been grossly mismanaged for a fair few years and that the net fiscal benefit immigration brings has been directed elsewhere 🤔 Congratulations you've been radicalised. Immigration does not give a net fiscal benefit. P.S. - means not beneficial migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/MigObs-Briefing-The-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-to-the-UK.pdf#:~:text=A%20study%20by%20Oxford%20Economics%20(2018)%2C%20commissioned,was%20running%20a%20budget%20deficit%2C%20so%20the
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 21, 2024 11:18:31 GMT
I'm sure Ely will correct me if I have misinterpreted his post of which I thoroughly agree with. The approximate 1.5M people who have come to this Country in the last two years are not Asylum Seekers but Economic Migrants with Visas who have been invited to come to this Country to fill the Skills shortages without which Public Services primarily NHS and the Care Sector would collapse. As these people are gainfully employed and paying taxes and a multitude of studies show that Migrants are net contributors to the Economy, Ely is questioning, rightly so, where has the money been spent. The answer is not proportional to the influx of people on Housing, Schools etc This is the Crux and fundamental question people should be focused on. In the same period about 50K people came to this Country uninvited and these are Asylum Seekers. We don't know if they are genuine or not because since summer 2023 Government decided not to find out and simply decided to house them in Hotels without any plan of what to do with them other than mythically send them to Rwanda Ely used the 95%/5% equation, it is closer to 97%/3% and it's this 3% most of the attention is focused on rather than what actions have been taken to accommodate the 1.5M people that have been invited here. Maybe we will get a definition of what "Hard Action" would entail, presumably against the 3%. We have to take into account when we are deciding on this hard action that UK gains a lot of influence in Soft Power and if we sign up to International Agreements e.g. ECHR we are obligated to follow the rules. Of course as an independent Country we can withdraw from International Agreements but there are consequences How can you be an asylum seeker crossing over from France? Last time I looked France did not persecute it's own population, and if what you say is true all the boat riders must be French. Beautifully put 👍 Typical 'look over there' sleight of hand tactics by the last government and their client press.
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Post by devondumpling on Aug 21, 2024 11:20:34 GMT
Beautifully put 👍 Typical 'look over there' sleight of hand tactics by the last government and their client press. How can a person travelling to this country from France be an asylum seeker? Last I looked France did not persecute certain of it's citizens, and if what you suggest is true the boaters must be French.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 21, 2024 11:47:30 GMT
We must be the envy of the world with all these skilled highly professional people landing on our southern shores. Apparently the US has imported something like 30 million highly qualified people simply walking across the border.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 21, 2024 11:49:47 GMT
How can a person travelling to this country from France be an asylum seeker? Last I looked France did not persecute certain of it's citizens, and if what you suggest is true the boaters must be French. You'll have to remind me, what is it I've suggested?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 21, 2024 12:09:13 GMT
According to the study on the link it depends how it's measured but either way it's only a difference of +/- 1% which makes you wonder why certain publications spend so much time and energy focusing on it 🤔 And thanks for the patronising but I wouldn't have used the word fiscal if I didn't know what it meant.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 21, 2024 12:26:34 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Aug 21, 2024 12:52:08 GMT
As would the care home and hospitality sectors to name but 2 more.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 21, 2024 13:38:10 GMT
We must be the envy of the world with all these skilled highly professional people landing on our southern shores. Apparently the US has imported something like 30 million highly qualified people simply walking across the border. Once again a deliberate conflation of 2 issues Only 3% immigrants 'land on our southern shores'- the other 97% are exactly the skilled people you speak of - or should be because they enter the country legally largely to work. They do so because (a) we have an ageing population (b) we have 11 million economically inactive people between 18-64 and (c) around 1m people Leave the UK each year. Add to that we have lower productivity than the US, Germany and France. Sort some of those issues out and we wont NEED as much immigration. Fail to sort them out and you'd better get used to it if you want people around to pay tax to fund your pension and prescriptions in old age or wipe your arse when you can't do it for yourself. But lets not - let's blame foreigners instead.
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Post by desman2 on Aug 21, 2024 13:42:09 GMT
Their wouldn't be a problem staffing the NHS and care industry had Blair not shut down Nursing and Midwife schools plus tech colleges and created a 3 year gap by sending young people to universities for 3 years. You never heard the phrase " shortage of nurses " before that because their wasn't one.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 21, 2024 13:53:21 GMT
Their wouldn't be a problem staffing the NHS and care industry had Blair not shut down Nursing and Midwife schools plus tech colleges and created a 3 year gap by sending young people to universities for 3 years. You never heard the phrase " shortage of nurses " before that because their wasn't one. Think again: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1117947/
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 21, 2024 13:56:10 GMT
I don’t think that there’s any doubt that a number of issues have been mismanaged and that if the right people are coming into the country and can benefit the system whether it’s the NHS or other agencies then it’s great but there has to be a cap and there has to be proper monitoring so that we and the asylum seeker can reap the benefits. As with most things if you deal with individuals rather than groups you’ll get a better result. I'm sure Ely will correct me if I have misinterpreted his post of which I thoroughly agree with. The approximate 1.5M people who have come to this Country in the last two years are not Asylum Seekers but Economic Migrants with Visas who have been invited to come to this Country to fill the Skills shortages without which Public Services primarily NHS and the Care Sector would collapse. As these people are gainfully employed and paying taxes and a multitude of studies show that Migrants are net contributors to the Economy, Ely is questioning, rightly so, where has the money been spent. The answer is not proportional to the influx of people on Housing, Schools etc This is the Crux and fundamental question people should be focused on. In the same period about 50K people came to this Country uninvited and these are Asylum Seekers. We don't know if they are genuine or not because since summer 2023 Government decided not to find out and simply decided to house them in Hotels without any plan of what to do with them other than mythically send them to Rwanda Ely used the 95%/5% equation, it is closer to 97%/3% and it's this 3% most of the attention is focused on rather than what actions have been taken to accommodate the 1.5M people that have been invited here. Maybe we will get a definition of what "Hard Action" would entail, presumably against the 3%. We have to take into account when we are deciding on this hard action that UK gains a lot of influence in Soft Power and if we sign up to International Agreements e.g. ECHR we are obligated to follow the rules. Of course as an independent Country we can withdraw from International Agreements but there are consequences If you think I'm going to wade through all that, you've got another thing coming. Just send the fuckers back FFS! 🙄
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Post by wannabee on Aug 21, 2024 14:03:37 GMT
How can a person travelling to this country from France be an asylum seeker? Last I looked France did not persecute certain of it's citizens, and if what you suggest is true the boaters must be French. This is a tired old question that has been asked and answered many times It's not that difficult to look up the ECHR definition of an Asylum Seeker who is making a claim in UK without previously making an Asylum Claim in another safe Country
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