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Post by phileetin on Aug 14, 2024 13:17:49 GMT
Immigration is the new Brexit. Not long ago all our problems were down to the EU. Leave the EU and all our problems will be solved. Simples. Guess what? They weren't. So who do we blame now? Immigrants. Stop immigration and all our problems will be solved. No they won't. The NHs would have a staffing crisis, the care sector would collapse, universities would go bankrupt and the economy will tank. No matter, there will be another simple solution to all our problems coming along shortly.
universities can go bankrupt for all i care .
for foreign students its a back door to immigration for them and their families. for uk towns it eats up resources in providing properties for students at the expense of local residents for underprivilidged uk teenagers its a means to putting off a job for 3-5 years at taxpayers expense cos they will never get a job earning enough to repay the student loan and for priviledged uk teenagers its a gateway to getting a better paid job overseas . |
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Post by Gods on Aug 14, 2024 13:27:59 GMT
Immigration is the new Brexit. Not long ago all our problems were down to the EU. Leave the EU and all our problems will be solved. Simples. Guess what? They weren't. So who do we blame now? Immigrants. Stop immigration and all our problems will be solved. No they won't. The NHs would have a staffing crisis, the care sector would collapse, universities would go bankrupt and the economy will tank. No matter, there will be another simple solution to all our problems coming along shortly. What completely puzzles me is this. And I should add I was a remainer. I think most people took Brexit to be a vote to control our own borders and in turn to control immigration. So what I did not expect was was tens of thousands of largely European immigrants per year transitioning in to over a million immigrants per year from the worlds great dispossessed and often lunatic nations. I think the answer as to why this happened lies somewhere in this points based scheme which was coooked up I think by Priti Patel, she of Keele University fame as it happens, which replaced the old EU legislation. Well that and 2 one off events being HK and Ukraine. The numbers are now coming down although they are still multiples of the pre Brexit levels. To be honest I thought it worked better pre-Brexit when we seemed to get half of Poland's bright young things. You really notice the difference now we have lost them whether you are checking in to a Hotel, boarding a flight or buying a coffee! I think the pre-Brexit situation was far more desirable. We're not going back though, I get that. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Aug 14, 2024 13:39:39 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 14, 2024 13:55:01 GMT
Immigration is the new Brexit. Not long ago all our problems were down to the EU. Leave the EU and all our problems will be solved. Simples. Guess what? They weren't. So who do we blame now? Immigrants. Stop immigration and all our problems will be solved. No they won't. The NHs would have a staffing crisis, the care sector would collapse, universities would go bankrupt and the economy will tank. No matter, there will be another simple solution to all our problems coming along shortly. universities can go bankrupt for all i care . for foreign students its a back door to immigration for them and their families. for uk towns it eats up resources in providing properties for students at the expense of local residents for underprivilidged uk teenagers its a means to putting off a job for 3-5 years at taxpayers expense cos they will never get a job earning enough to repay the student loan and for priviledged uk teenagers its a gateway to getting a better paid job overseas . And when they get educated they have a more nuanced view of the world and don't buy into the illogical bullshit peddled by the far right? |
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Post by wannabee on Aug 14, 2024 14:01:14 GMT
You're assuming the "problem" is immigrants when it is actually Austerity and Racism The rioting in South Belfast was every bit as violent as anywhere on the mainland and there are few if any "illegal" migrants in NI Of the 8,000 nurses working for The Belfast Health and Social Care Trust, the largest health trust in the UK, 1,000 are "International" I'd be surprised if quite a few aren't considering their options and the safety of themselves and their families exacerbating waiting times at an already creaking NHS The Syrian-owned supermarket or the Sudanese owned cafe which were burnt out wasn't taking anyone's job but serving the Community. As were the Police who were attacked when trying to protect people and property It isn't clear if the UDA/UVF organized the riots but nothing happens in this area without their say so. At the Anti Immigrant Protest you can see Union Flags obviously but also many Israeli Flags. At the counter Pro Immigrant Protest you can see Palestinian Flags. Lines are drawn and although Gaza isn't Hamas many protesting associate them with IRA. Sectarianism/Racism lives on. Even on this MB some repeatedly call the Palestinian Flag the Hamas Flag. That isn't to say that people don't have a right and a reason to Protest but they are targeting and scapegoating the wrong target. Austerity and poor governance are at the root cause of people's grievance. The majority protesting are not Racist but are fed up that Public Services and Housing are getting worse and worse. The numbers are swelled by youths prepared to engage in some gratuitous violence and looting. We have seen boys and girls as young as 12 being convicted of violent disorder in the Courts The Politicians in NI are every bit as inept as those on the mainland and exacerbated the situation by absenting themselves from the job they were elected to do because of the other thing you mention, Brexit, which they had campaigned for. I know you have no confidence in Labours ability or desire to make changes and you are right to be sceptical and you may prove to be correct. Redistribution of Wealth on a Grand Scale might work for a short period but people who have the determination to accumulate more wealth than they could ever need are not going to give it up easily or voluntarily. A fairer distribution is possible but the fundamental is to incrementally increase wealth with the distribution controlled by the State. It will take time but we have seen the alternative for the last 14 years and there is no one, in my view, on the Left or the Right offering a credible alternative. Therefore the ultimate alternative is anarchy which we have seen in a microcosm in the Riots with attacks on the Police, people and property. I'm not making any assumptions. You listen to Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Marion Le Pen, Rishi Sunak, Giorgia Meloni and co. they don't say the problem is racism and austerity, they say the problem is immigration. It's not limited to just the above individuals though, it's right across the west with many "liberal" MPs also using the same language about taking back control. Here is a Labour MP doing it just the other week prior to people then attempting to burn immigrants out of the hotel: We have the leader of Germany, from the SDP, who also speaks about clamping down on immigration - www.politico.eu/article/germany-olaf-scholz-deportations-police-officer-killing-social-democratic-party-migration-european-election/We even have Kier Starmer who also uses the same language as all of the above: I'm not making any assumptions on what the problem is. But it's clear as day that whether they call themselves socialists  , centrists, liberals, populists or right wing - anyone who gets the cusp of power in a western country buys into the "immigration" problem. The problem they all talk about for 20 years and campaign on and put on their manifestos but every single one oversees an increase in it too. It's the great distraction of western politics in the 21st century. Every country makes it a main and key talking point but no matter how much they all talk about it - it increases in every single country. It's a by product of globalisation, capitalisation and imperialism. For as long as you support these concepts, and for as long as we have corporations exerting power and influence over our governments, immigration is here to stay. So if people genuinely do see immigration as an issue and want to see numbers go down then they're best looking towards countries past and present which have had lower immigration. And those countries generally aren't the capitalist, globalist, imperalists. It's actually the socialist and communist countries. Maybe this is why the west spends so much time striking fear into people about socialism and communism... because it's the one thing which tends to actually tackle the immigration topic which our media has been using to fearmonger populations for the last couple of decades. You have misunderstood my point or just as likely I didn't explain it properly. Salop in his reply and what he underlined in my post gets it. It is not immigration that's the problem it's that successive Governments who sponsored legal immigration did not provide Public Services and Housing to match the population increase which would have been perfectly possible given the tax contributed by immigrants. Northern Ireland has been an Institutionally Racist Statelet since its foundation, the latest Riots by Protestant Gangs is against Immigrants rather than the traditional Catholics. The irony/tragedy is that working class Protestants, Catholics and Immigrants have more in common with each other than those that seek to cause division. My other point was that the Belfast Heath Care system would totally collapse without the 1,000 Foreign Nurses never mind the Doctors, Care Assistants and Maintenance Staff that also work in the sector. Only a fucking idiot of a politician would argue otherwise. NI doesn't have a large number of Asylum Seekers 2,248 at the last count at 31st March 2024 You name check an illustrious bunch Trump, Le Pen, Sunak, Farage and Meloni as some type of justification that highlights they have correctly identified the problem which is Immigrants rather than Populist rhetoric to gain Election. They are all hypocrites in their own way Sunak is the son of Immigrants as is Trump, Farage has been married to in turn an Irish Nurse, a German Lady and is now in a relationship with a French lady who he met while she was a waitress. Nepotism didn't stop him employing the German Lady while he was an MEP and finding employment for the French Lady within EU. Le Pen and Meloni object to certain migrants the populations of France and Italy comprise about 10% perfectly legal immigrants You have also misinterpreted Starmers edited link you posted. His point was that if Bangladeshi's come to UK and fail to be granted Asylum there is no reason why they shouldn't be returned to Bangladesh which is a safe Country, what's wrong with that? The same could not be said for Afghanistan, Syria, Sudan etc Like CBFU I would be interested in leaning where this Socialist Utopia is. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Aug 14, 2024 14:01:35 GMT
The way of globalisation has created this immigration mess. And the rich feckers who want globalisation are twisting the narrative on social media and MSM so that to oppose immigration or even question it makes you a bigot. Its the old divide and conquer. Hence a lot of the rows on here. And the truth is its all causing serious splinters in our society. And its not just the boring left and right thing either. On lots of things I'm a bit left and a bit right. Its all bollox. Basically the top 0.1% of society have ruined it. And they need reigning in if possible. Dont know how mind. They are like Megalomaniacs. Who in the fuck needs more than a billion quid in cash or assets. Or even 500m or even 250m. But it becomes the same arguement as wage caps for top flight footballers blah blah. Market forces innit... |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 14, 2024 14:04:11 GMT
Immigration is the new Brexit. Not long ago all our problems were down to the EU. Leave the EU and all our problems will be solved. Simples. Guess what? They weren't. So who do we blame now? Immigrants. Stop immigration and all our problems will be solved. No they won't. The NHs would have a staffing crisis, the care sector would collapse, universities would go bankrupt and the economy will tank. No matter, there will be another simple solution to all our problems coming along shortly. What completely puzzles me is this. And I should add I was a remainer. I think most people took Brexit to be a vote to control our own borders and in turn to control immigration. So what I did not expect was was tens of thousands of largely European immigrants per year transitioning in to over a million immigrants per year from the worlds great dispossessed and often lunatic nations. I think the answer as to why this happened lies somewhere in this points based scheme which was coooked up I think by Priti Patel, she of Keele University fame as it happens, which replaced the old EU legislation. Well that and 2 one off events being HK and Ukraine. The numbers are now coming down although they are still multiples of the pre Brexit levels. To be honest I thought it worked better pre-Brexit when we seemed to get half of Poland's bright young things. You really notice the difference now we have lost them whether you are checking in to a Hotel, boarding a flight or buying a coffee! I think the pre-Brexit situation was far more desirable. We're not going back though, I get that. There were two very different visions for Brexit. The Tory right wanted out because they wanted the UK to become an unfettered free market with access to cheaper non EU labour and less protection for workers. Those now going over to Reform UK wanted an isolationist UK and little or no immigration. The former kept quiet about their plans and once Brexit was done turned the tap on to legal immigration from outside the EU and deflected attention by making illegal immigration the issue of the day. The reason for the large increase in immigration is because itvws government policy. The problem for Labour is that if they stop immigration the economy will tank and large sectors will have a staffing shortage. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 14, 2024 14:13:02 GMT
Immigration is the new Brexit. Not long ago all our problems were down to the EU. Leave the EU and all our problems will be solved. Simples. Guess what? They weren't. So who do we blame now? Immigrants. Stop immigration and all our problems will be solved. No they won't. The NHs would have a staffing crisis, the care sector would collapse, universities would go bankrupt and the economy will tank. No matter, there will be another simple solution to all our problems coming along shortly. What completely puzzles me is this. And I should add I was a remainer. I think most people took Brexit to be a vote to control our own borders and in turn to control immigration. So what I did not expect was was tens of thousands of largely European immigrants per year transitioning in to over a million immigrants per year from the worlds great dispossessed and often lunatic nations. I think the answer as to why this happened lies somewhere in this points based scheme which was coooked up I think by Priti Patel, she of Keele University fame as it happens, which replaced the old EU legislation. Well that and 2 one off events being HK and Ukraine. The numbers are now coming down although they are still multiples of the pre Brexit levels. To be honest I thought it worked better pre-Brexit when we seemed to get half of Poland's bright young things. You really notice the difference now we have lost them whether you are checking in to a Hotel, boarding a flight or buying a coffee! I think the pre-Brexit situation was far more desirable. We're not going back though, I get that. You are exactly right Gods, it lies squarely at the heart of the point based system. It was predicted to happen prior to the referendum and it was dismissed as being nothing more than project fear. But precisely what was predicted, has happened. When we had freedom of movement with Europe, it worked like a set of lungs, businesses and industry could call on the additional labour that was required, as and when it was needed and when demand receded the labour market would look elsewhere. What we have now, with the points based system, is a much more definitive move to the country, where applying for a visa to work here, results in a far more conclusive and permanent move. And most of the flexible European workers have been replaced by permanent legal immigrants from the sub continent. If people genuinely didn't want to see more immigrants from India and the surrounding areas, coming to the country, then they really shouldn't have voted to end freedom of movement with Europe. It was hardly their fault though, as CBU has pointed out in his excellent post above, that was always the plan but the electorate were lied to. |
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Post by Gods on Aug 14, 2024 14:51:44 GMT
What completely puzzles me is this. And I should add I was a remainer. I think most people took Brexit to be a vote to control our own borders and in turn to control immigration. So what I did not expect was was tens of thousands of largely European immigrants per year transitioning in to over a million immigrants per year from the worlds great dispossessed and often lunatic nations. I think the answer as to why this happened lies somewhere in this points based scheme which was coooked up I think by Priti Patel, she of Keele University fame as it happens, which replaced the old EU legislation. Well that and 2 one off events being HK and Ukraine. The numbers are now coming down although they are still multiples of the pre Brexit levels. To be honest I thought it worked better pre-Brexit when we seemed to get half of Poland's bright young things. You really notice the difference now we have lost them whether you are checking in to a Hotel, boarding a flight or buying a coffee! I think the pre-Brexit situation was far more desirable. We're not going back though, I get that. You are exactly right Gods, it lies squarely at the heart of the point based system. It was predicted to happen prior to the referendum and it was dismissed as being nothing more than project fear. But precisely what was predicted, has happened. When we had freedom of movement with Europe, it worked like a set of lungs, businesses and industry could call on the additional labour that was required, as and when it was needed and when demand receded the labour market would look elsewhere. What we have now, with the points based system, is a much more definitive move to the country, where applying for a visa to work here, results in a far more conclusive and permanent move. And most of the flexible European workers have been replaced by permanent legal immigrants from the sub continent. If people genuinely didn't want to see more immigrants from India and the surrounding areas, coming to the country, then they really shouldn't have voted to end freedom of movement with Europe. It was hardly their fault though, as CBU has pointed out in his excellent post above, that was always the plan but the electorate were lied to. Excellent post! |
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Post by phileetin on Aug 14, 2024 14:57:25 GMT
What completely puzzles me is this. And I should add I was a remainer. I think most people took Brexit to be a vote to control our own borders and in turn to control immigration. So what I did not expect was was tens of thousands of largely European immigrants per year transitioning in to over a million immigrants per year from the worlds great dispossessed and often lunatic nations. I think the answer as to why this happened lies somewhere in this points based scheme which was coooked up I think by Priti Patel, she of Keele University fame as it happens, which replaced the old EU legislation. Well that and 2 one off events being HK and Ukraine. The numbers are now coming down although they are still multiples of the pre Brexit levels. To be honest I thought it worked better pre-Brexit when we seemed to get half of Poland's bright young things. You really notice the difference now we have lost them whether you are checking in to a Hotel, boarding a flight or buying a coffee! I think the pre-Brexit situation was far more desirable. We're not going back though, I get that. You are exactly right Gods, it lies squarely at the heart of the point based system. It was predicted to happen prior to the referendum and it was dismissed as being nothing more than project fear. But precisely what was predicted, has happened. When we had freedom of movement with Europe, it worked like a set of lungs, businesses and industry could call on the additional labour that was required, as and when it was needed and when demand receded the labour market would look elsewhere. What we have now, with the points based system, is a much more definitive move to the country, where applying for a visa to work here, results in a far more conclusive and permanent move. And most of the flexible European workers have been replaced by permanent legal immigrants from the sub continent. If people genuinely didn't want to see more immigrants from India and the surrounding areas, coming to the country, then they really shouldn't have voted to end freedom of movement with Europe. It was hardly their fault though, as CBU has pointed out in his excellent post above, that was always the plan but the electorate were lied to.
isn't it not possible that if we'd stay'ed in the eu that we would have had eu migrants and other world immigrants as well .
the eu are having the same issues, are they not ?
plus , we have perceived control over our own border ( not ) , whereas within the eu the number we have would be under the complete control of eu bureaucrats ?
italy and greece don't seem happy .
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Post by Gawa on Aug 14, 2024 15:58:42 GMT
I'm not making any assumptions. You listen to Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Marion Le Pen, Rishi Sunak, Giorgia Meloni and co. they don't say the problem is racism and austerity, they say the problem is immigration. It's not limited to just the above individuals though, it's right across the west with many "liberal" MPs also using the same language about taking back control. Here is a Labour MP doing it just the other week prior to people then attempting to burn immigrants out of the hotel: We have the leader of Germany, from the SDP, who also speaks about clamping down on immigration - www.politico.eu/article/germany-olaf-scholz-deportations-police-officer-killing-social-democratic-party-migration-european-election/We even have Kier Starmer who also uses the same language as all of the above: I'm not making any assumptions on what the problem is. But it's clear as day that whether they call themselves socialists , centrists, liberals, populists or right wing - anyone who gets the cusp of power in a western country buys into the "immigration" problem. The problem they all talk about for 20 years and campaign on and put on their manifestos but every single one oversees an increase in it too. It's the great distraction of western politics in the 21st century. Every country makes it a main and key talking point but no matter how much they all talk about it - it increases in every single country. It's a by product of globalisation, capitalisation and imperialism. For as long as you support these concepts, and for as long as we have corporations exerting power and influence over our governments, immigration is here to stay. So if people genuinely do see immigration as an issue and want to see numbers go down then they're best looking towards countries past and present which have had lower immigration. And those countries generally aren't the capitalist, globalist, imperalists. It's actually the socialist and communist countries. Maybe this is why the west spends so much time striking fear into people about socialism and communism... because it's the one thing which tends to actually tackle the immigration topic which our media has been using to fearmonger populations for the last couple of decades. And where exactly would I find this socialist utopia of which you speak? Any country which has either been to war with the west, experienced western backed coups or political interference is usually a good starting point  Cuba, Vietnam, Laos etc.. |
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 15, 2024 21:59:17 GMT
Interesting watch. The link should work, but basically it’s a couple of former servicemen who spend a week at a camp in Calais and come back to the UK on a small boat.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 16, 2024 8:46:12 GMT
And where exactly would I find this socialist utopia of which you speak? Any country which has either been to war with the west, experienced western backed coups or political interference is usually a good starting point Cuba, Vietnam, Laos etc.. Yes those countries actually have negative net immigration figures because they have repressive communist regimes and poor economic prospects - people want to get out and no-one wants to go there. North Korea is pretty good on net immigration as well. |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 16, 2024 8:54:10 GMT
Any country which has either been to war with the west, experienced western backed coups or political interference is usually a good starting point Cuba, Vietnam, Laos etc.. Yes those countries actually have negative net immigration figures because they have repressive communist regimes and poor economic prospects - people want to get out and no-one wants to go there. North Korea is pretty good on net immigration as well. Can you expand on how Vietnam and Laos are repressive regimes please? Or are you just doing your capitalist buzzword bingo? It's funny that it's always the socialist and communist countries which are repressive until the western imperialism comes along and saves them. A quick move to capitalism and giving corporations a foot in the door to extract natural resources for the profits of a few and all the repression magically disappears. Unless of course you're already a capitalist oppressive regime like Saudi Arabia. We will soon turn a quick blind eye and send you all the weapons you want |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 16, 2024 10:46:51 GMT
Yes those countries actually have negative net immigration figures because they have repressive communist regimes and poor economic prospects - people want to get out and no-one wants to go there. North Korea is pretty good on net immigration as well. Can you expand on how Vietnam and Laos are repressive regimes please? Or are you just doing your capitalist buzzword bingo? It's funny that it's always the socialist and communist countries which are repressive until the western imperialism comes along and saves them. A quick move to capitalism and giving corporations a foot in the door to extract natural resources for the profits of a few and all the repression magically disappears. Unless of course you're already a capitalist oppressive regime like Saudi Arabia. We will soon turn a quick blind eye and send you all the weapons you want Vietnam: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_VietnamLaos: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_LaosBoth are single party communist states - or is that a feature of your vision of a utopian society? Fails for me at the first hurdle. I've visited Laos and it is indeed a beautiful country. However it is poor by the standards of other countries in that area and if you try to discuss politics with people they will clam up and change the subject. I wouldn't describe it as overtly repressive but it certainly isn't a shining example of the joys of communism. Nice place to visit but I'm no threat to their net immigration figures. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 18, 2024 10:39:53 GMT
Disgraceful
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Post by emretezzy on Aug 18, 2024 11:15:50 GMT
[br I'm just surprised we haven't put a red carpet on the cliffs of Dover at this point. The numbers now are just pointless. The horse has bolted. |
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Post by 4372 on Aug 18, 2024 11:38:58 GMT
Once again, it's a nice summer day here. Sun is out. Yesterday, at a local venue, people held a lovely and successful event to welcome and help the integration of immigrants. Cricket on TV later.
Don't waste summer.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2024 11:45:30 GMT
Once again, it's a nice summer day here. Sun is out. Yesterday, at a local venue, people held a lovely and successful event to welcome and help the integration of immigrants. Cricket on TV later. Don't waste summer. And ignore the fact the country is going to hell in a handcart. The ostrich mentality of some on here is mind boggling. |
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Post by frasier37 on Aug 18, 2024 13:22:19 GMT
Once again, it's a nice summer day here. Sun is out. Yesterday, at a local venue, people held a lovely and successful event to welcome and help the integration of immigrants. Cricket on TV later. Don't waste summer. And ignore the fact the country is going to hell in a handcart. The ostrich mentality of some on here is mind boggling. The reason it's going to hell is more to do with the mentality of people who think their lives will be enriched greatly if they stop immigrants |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 18, 2024 15:52:32 GMT
Once again, it's a nice summer day here. Sun is out. Yesterday, at a local venue, people held a lovely and successful event to welcome and help the integration of immigrants. Cricket on TV later. Don't waste summer. And ignore the fact the country is going to hell in a handcart. The ostrich mentality of some on here is mind boggling. I am prepared to bet that people have been saying that, using almost those exact words, since time began. In fact I am prepared to bet that large numbers of people on here heard it from their parents and grandparents. That doesn't necessarily mean the country is not headed to Hades in a horseless carriage. But I would say it makes it less likely. |
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Post by sticky on Aug 18, 2024 16:06:49 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2024 16:07:55 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear They don’t want to stop it, they have the same attitude to immigration as the ostrich fraternity on here |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 16:40:07 GMT
And ignore the fact the country is going to hell in a handcart. The ostrich mentality of some on here is mind boggling. The reason it's going to hell is more to do with the mentality of people who think their lives will be enriched greatly if they stop immigrants Do you feel gratified that a great deal of your taxes are going to support these illegal immigrants? About time we actually blocked these ‘small boats’ in the Channel. |
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 18, 2024 16:48:55 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear They don’t want to stop it, they have the same attitude to immigration as the ostrich fraternity on here I genuinely did see the Ostrich Fraternity in 1978. Victoria Hall Hanley. Nothing to do with WoT. They were supporting the Slits and the Buzzcocks. Terrific band. |
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Post by sticky on Aug 18, 2024 16:52:07 GMT
So what’s labours plan to stop the boats and when is it starting. Starmers going to be judged on immigration and if he doesn’t sort it he’ll be out on his ear They don’t want to stop it, they have the same attitude to immigration as the ostrich fraternity on here Thought they had a plan, and were “smashing the gangs” just wondered how it was going as there doesn’t seem to be much about it in the news.. I’m sure one of the political juggernaut’s on here will give us an update soon enough.. after all I know your not big into politics badge |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 18, 2024 16:53:36 GMT
They don’t want to stop it, they have the same attitude to immigration as the ostrich fraternity on here Thought they had a plan, and were “smashing the gangs” just wondered how it was going as there doesn’t seem to be much about it in the news.. I’m sure one of the political juggernaut’s on here will give us an update soon enough.. after all I know your not big into politics badge Correct mate😉 |
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 18, 2024 17:11:13 GMT
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Post by knype on Aug 18, 2024 17:12:27 GMT
Keir and his government know how to end this 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 18, 2024 17:29:32 GMT
The reason it's going to hell is more to do with the mentality of people who think their lives will be enriched greatly if they stop immigrants Do you feel gratified that a great deal of your taxes are going to support these illegal immigrants? About time we actually blocked these ‘small boats’ in the Channel. You want to employ the navy to stop the boats? How does that actually work? Sink them and kill people? Tow them back to France? And what happens when the French navy stop British vessels entering French waters? Go to war with France? You haven't thought this through have you...... |
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, centrists, liberals, populists or right wing - anyone who gets the cusp of power in a western country buys into the "immigration" problem. The problem they all talk about for 20 years and campaign on and put on their manifestos but every single one oversees an increase in it too. 
