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Post by metalhead on Oct 22, 2022 8:22:31 GMT
These protesters are just tossers. We give them airtime and column inches when in reality they are making everyones life a misery, and causing more environmental damage. They are just selfish cunts. If they had fallen of the bridge i wouldnt have lost a nanoseconds worth of sleep on them. Same as these vegan wankers going into supermarkets and pouring milk on the floor and trashing meat counters. Just cos they want a plant based future. Go and grow some fucking lettuces then you cunts and leave others to make their own choice about what to eat, without ramming your egotistical bullshit down their throats. My tolerance towards these people has been sapped to zero. If i saw someone pouring food or milk on the floor i think i would genuinely lamp the selfish cunt. Breathe suitcase breathe. In out in out and relax. They are unlikable, for sure.... But their message is based on science and yet we just keep cracking on without giving a shit. We are absolutely fucking the planet, and in every hole possible. There needs to a mindset change but I don't see it happening until it's too late. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 22, 2022 9:32:34 GMT
The problem is though we have become a world full of moaners.
We could invent free energy, unlimited food, find a cure for all ills, become immortal, but someone will still protest.
The planet, as you say is teetering on the brink, whether that's due to our evolution as a species in the last century or just the cyclic evolution of the planet is up for debate.
But to blatantly throw food away and cause more inner city pollution by diverting traffic to towns is stupidity of the highest order.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 24, 2022 10:31:52 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2022 10:32:56 GMT
Scumbags trying to save the planet 😂😂
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Post by Foster on Oct 24, 2022 10:42:43 GMT
I'm all for protesting for a good cause (saving the planet), but I have no idea what these stunts are supposed to achieve. It's just needless vandalism. |
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Post by yeokel on Oct 24, 2022 11:41:28 GMT
It might be better if Lord Sugar and The Sun used their influence to direct people's attention to the ongoing climate emergency (such as it is) rather than knicker wetting about a painting that is "worth £100 million". They might also wish to consider how obscene it is that any painting could be considered to be "worth £100 million" while people are starving and living in abject poverty in the world. It is clear that some people and organisations really do need to examine their values and reconsider what is actually important. The protesters who threw the potato at the (glass protected) painting said “We are in a climate catastrophe and all you are afraid of is tomato soup or mashed potatoes on a painting. You know what I’m afraid of? I’m afraid because science tells us that we won’t be able to feed our families in 2050,” the protester said. “Does it take mashed potatoes on a painting to make you listen? This painting is not going to be worth anything if we have to fight over food. When will you finally start to listen? When will you finally start to listen and stop business as usual?” What's not to like, or disagree with? Guardian link |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 24, 2022 13:52:44 GMT
It might be better if Lord Sugar and The Sun used their influence to direct people's attention to the ongoing climate emergency (such as it is) rather than knicker wetting about a painting that is "worth £100 million". They might also wish to consider how obscene it is that any painting could be considered to be "worth £100 million" while people are starving and living in abject poverty in the world. It is clear that some people and organisations really do need to examine their values and reconsider what is actually important. The protesters who threw the potato at the (glass protected) painting said “We are in a climate catastrophe and all you are afraid of is tomato soup or mashed potatoes on a painting. You know what I’m afraid of? I’m afraid because science tells us that we won’t be able to feed our families in 2050,” the protester said. “Does it take mashed potatoes on a painting to make you listen? This painting is not going to be worth anything if we have to fight over food. When will you finally start to listen? When will you finally start to listen and stop business as usual?” What's not to like, or disagree with? Guardian linkIt's interesting to contrast this with the reaction to Manchester United fans breaking into Old Trafford, causing criminal damage and getting the game against Liverpool abandoned when protesting against Glazer ownership. They were seen as heroes in the eyes of many football fans. Still - football is serious - the death of the planet is just for nutters. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 24, 2022 13:57:46 GMT
It might be better if Lord Sugar and The Sun used their influence to direct people's attention to the ongoing climate emergency (such as it is) rather than knicker wetting about a painting that is "worth £100 million". They might also wish to consider how obscene it is that any painting could be considered to be "worth £100 million" while people are starving and living in abject poverty in the world. It is clear that some people and organisations really do need to examine their values and reconsider what is actually important. The protesters who threw the potato at the (glass protected) painting said “We are in a climate catastrophe and all you are afraid of is tomato soup or mashed potatoes on a painting. You know what I’m afraid of? I’m afraid because science tells us that we won’t be able to feed our families in 2050,” the protester said. “Does it take mashed potatoes on a painting to make you listen? This painting is not going to be worth anything if we have to fight over food. When will you finally start to listen? When will you finally start to listen and stop business as usual?” What's not to like, or disagree with? Guardian linkIt's interesting to contrast this with the reaction to Manchester United fans breaking into Old Trafford, causing criminal damage and getting the game against Liverpool abandoned when protesting against Glazer ownership. They were seen as heroes in the eyes of many football fans. Still - football is serious - the death of the planet is just for nutters. I think we need to stop saying the "death of the planet", the planet will be absolutely fine and no-one really cares about so abstract a concept anyway. The death of human beings is what we're talking about, on a scale of billions probably. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 24, 2022 14:00:47 GMT
It's interesting to contrast this with the reaction to Manchester United fans breaking into Old Trafford, causing criminal damage and getting the game against Liverpool abandoned when protesting against Glazer ownership. They were seen as heroes in the eyes of many football fans. Still - football is serious - the death of the planet is just for nutters. I think we need to stop saying the "death of the planet", the planet will be absolutely fine and no-one really cares about so abstract a concept anyway. The death of human beings is what we're talking about, on a scale of billions probably. Not really - we'll take a good few species with us who've done nothing to deserve getting caught up in our death spiral. |
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Post by Foster on Oct 24, 2022 17:02:04 GMT
I think we need to stop saying the "death of the planet", the planet will be absolutely fine and no-one really cares about so abstract a concept anyway. The death of human beings is what we're talking about, on a scale of billions probably. Not really - we'll take a good few species with us who've done nothing to deserve getting caught up in our death spiral. That's it. I barely even think of humans when i consider climate change or the use of fossil fuels. I think of all life and the way we're pushing other lifeforms to extinction. It's the idea of keeping the planet habitable for all lifeforms that counts. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 24, 2022 17:04:32 GMT
Humanity needs to control its growth to save the planet.
Its that simple.
No other animal species had caused as much catastrophic and global issues as much as humanity.
Greenhouse gases, pollution, starving millions all down to humanity and human intervention.
Instead of vandalising the world we need to contracept it.
In 30 years time the planet will have almost 10 billion people.
How will we sustain that?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 27, 2022 7:58:23 GMT
I think we need to stop saying the "death of the planet", the planet will be absolutely fine and no-one really cares about so abstract a concept anyway. The death of human beings is what we're talking about, on a scale of billions probably. Not really - we'll take a good few species with us who've done nothing to deserve getting caught up in our death spiral. Absolutely, but the planet, and life, will be fine, just with entirely different species of creatures on it after a few millions years of evolution have put right the mass extinction that we are speeding towards with our use of fossil fuels. At various other times up to 95% of all life has been extinguished and the planet moved on just fine, with new, different species. That's probably what's going to happen again. I see the extremely potent greenhouse gas methane has increased substantially in our atmosphere and no-one knows why. One of the predicted effects of warming was sudden large outgassing of methane trapped in sediments and ice clathrates, thus speeding up further the greenhouse effect. Perhaps it's started? |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 27, 2022 8:00:47 GMT
Not really - we'll take a good few species with us who've done nothing to deserve getting caught up in our death spiral. That's it. I barely even think of humans when i consider climate change or the use of fossil fuels. I think of all life and the way we're pushing other lifeforms to extinction. It's the idea of keeping the planet habitable for all lifeforms that counts. I completely agree, but you won't get most humans to give a shit about other lifeforms, I'd guess you're quite unusual in your altruistic approach! For the majority, you need to appeal to humans' innate selfishness and highlight the fact that they're destroying themselves if you're going to get anywhere. We can already see that the planet and other life means very little to most people, especially if it gets in the way of the lifestyles they want to lead. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 27, 2022 9:25:14 GMT
That's it. I barely even think of humans when i consider climate change or the use of fossil fuels. I think of all life and the way we're pushing other lifeforms to extinction. It's the idea of keeping the planet habitable for all lifeforms that counts. I completely agree, but you won't get most humans to give a shit about other lifeforms, I'd guess you're quite unusual in your altruistic approach! For the majority, you need to appeal to humans' innate selfishness and highlight the fact that they're destroying themselves if you're going to get anywhere. We can already see that the planet and other life means very little to most people, especially if it gets in the way of the lifestyles they want to lead. ......and the money they can earn dont forget. Theres no simple answer to any of this. Sec.Gen of the UN Antonio Gutteres was on telly only this morning practically pleading with world leaders to "wake up" and stop paying lip service to the global issue and act NOW. Its heart breaking but until the worled leaders ALL sit round the table ( not these G7 and COP meetings bullshit) but EVERY major world leader/ oil company bosses/ activists get together, the slow decline will gather pace. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Oct 27, 2022 9:26:28 GMT
Wait till we fuck up Mars.
We'll be like the fucking locusts of the galaxy draining planets of their resources and moving on.
Seems to have a similar theme to a lot of sci-fi movies.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 27, 2022 11:28:50 GMT
I completely agree, but you won't get most humans to give a shit about other lifeforms, I'd guess you're quite unusual in your altruistic approach! For the majority, you need to appeal to humans' innate selfishness and highlight the fact that they're destroying themselves if you're going to get anywhere. We can already see that the planet and other life means very little to most people, especially if it gets in the way of the lifestyles they want to lead. ......and the money they can earn dont forget. Theres no simple answer to any of this. Sec.Gen of the UN Antonio Gutteres was on telly only this morning practically pleading with world leaders to "wake up" and stop paying lip service to the global issue and act NOW. Its heart breaking but until the worled leaders ALL sit round the table ( not these G7 and COP meetings bullshit) but EVERY major world leader/ oil company bosses/ activists get together, the slow decline will gather pace. All the money in the world won't keep you warm and well fed when the shit really starts. Agree about a collective need for action, which is why I'm generally pessimistic about humans being able to do that. Not much evidence of it so far: oil use goes up almost every year, as do global emissions. |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Oct 27, 2022 12:37:04 GMT
So - we're broadly agreed that the activists have got a point and it is quite important.
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Post by desman2 on Oct 27, 2022 12:40:40 GMT
Anyone who offers a defence is expressing an opinion. What is it that you are proposing should happen to them for doing so? If they spray painted your house, and car what would you do? You’d be spitting bullets wouldn’t you…? Solution?….. give ‘em a fuckin good kickin for starters But dont forget they would be filming themselves doing it on devices made from fossil fuels, while wearing clothes which will contain components made from fossil fuels and the paint itself rich in fossil fuels. |
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Post by andystokey on Oct 27, 2022 12:44:27 GMT
So - we're broadly agreed that the activists have got a point and it is quite important. .and they got a people talking about it on a message board, not the intention of the OP. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 27, 2022 12:54:23 GMT
If they spray painted your house, and car what would you do? You’d be spitting bullets wouldn’t you…? Solution?….. give ‘em a fuckin good kickin for starters But dont forget they would be filming themselves doing it on devices made from fossil fuels, while wearing clothes which will contain components made from fossil fuels and the paint itself rich in fossil fuels. Hypocritical shithouses as well then....even more reason to stick their head in a vat of crude oil.....then give em a fuckin good kickin !  |
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Post by Goonie on Oct 27, 2022 13:29:47 GMT
I think in a Rick and Morty kind of a way humans are nature's parasites more so than a disease, especially if you consider Gaia theory proposed by Lovelock, that the Earth is a living entity. I see us moving through the galaxies over eons of time terra forming and destroying worlds once we have taken them to climate crisis
Moving away from oil, developing ecological means of generating power will slow the descent. Things will get better, but ultimately we will visit distant worlds and repeat these. Mistakes elsewhere over the eons
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Post by yeokel on Oct 27, 2022 14:05:56 GMT
I think in a Rick and Morty kind of a way humans are nature's parasites more so than a disease, especially if you consider Gaia theory proposed by Lovelock, that the Earth is a living entity. I see us moving through the galaxies over eons of time terra forming and destroying worlds once we have taken them to climate crisis Moving away from oil, developing ecological means of generating power will slow the descent. Things will get better, but ultimately we will visit distant worlds and repeat these. Mistakes elsewhere over the eons I don’t think humans will be around long enough to develop the technology to move through galaxies. |
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Post by Northy on Oct 27, 2022 15:49:17 GMT
If they spray painted your house, and car what would you do? You’d be spitting bullets wouldn’t you…? Solution?….. give ‘em a fuckin good kickin for starters But dont forget they would be filming themselves doing it on devices made from fossil fuels, while wearing clothes which will contain components made from fossil fuels and the paint itself rich in fossil fuels. will the clothes be made from that stuff though, you can get plenty of stuff non man made these days, natural fibres, cotton, hemp, bamboo etc Just the reduction in the use of oil should be on the forefront of everyone's minds, we've seen what they do around the world, funding wars, pollution, regressing advances in other technologies, etc. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2022 18:16:19 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Oct 31, 2022 18:18:19 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2022 18:24:36 GMT
Yes it helped them get on with their journey |
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Post by andystokey on Oct 31, 2022 18:28:47 GMT
Yes it helped them get on with their journey I smashed someone in the face today for driving too slowly spoiling my journey. Hope that's okay too. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2022 18:32:19 GMT
Yes it helped them get on with their journey I smashed someone in the face today for driving too slowly spoiling my journey. Hope that's okay too. Grow up FFS |
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Post by andystokey on Oct 31, 2022 18:35:11 GMT
I smashed someone in the face today for driving too slowly spoiling my journey. Hope that's okay too. Grow up FFS I'm not the one who started a thread to be a cheerleader for taking the law into your own hands. It will all look like handbags compared with the real Mad Max scenario everyone's signed up to. I'd get used to it. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 31, 2022 18:38:10 GMT
I'm not the one who started a thread to be a cheerleader for taking the law into your own hands. It will all look like handbags compared with the real Mad Max scenario everyone's signed up to. I'd get used to it. Cheerleader😂you are funny |
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