Stop oil Self entitled Dorks

[Davef]

The future of the planet is far more important than getting to that vital hospital appointment, perhaps travelling to see a loved one for the very last time, driving your pregnant wife to the maternity hospital, or attending an important job interview or meeting.

It's far more important than four or five years in the slammer as well, so eat what you ordered.

[thehartshillbadger]

Jul 18, 2024 19:28:37 GMT Davef said:

The future of the planet is far more important than getting to that vital hospital appointment, perhaps travelling to see a loved one for the very last time, driving your pregnant wife to the maternity hospital, attending an important job interview or meeting.

It's far more important than four or five years in the slammer as well, so eat what you ordered.

Spot on

[frasier37]

If there's no planet there's no anything

[thehartshillbadger]

Jul 18, 2024 19:33:32 GMT frasier37 said:

If there's no planet there's no anything

Hyperbolic Claptrap. Last seen supporting World of Twist back in the 90’s😉

[bayernoatcake]

Absolutely barmy sentences.

Frightening.

[thehartshillbadger]

Jul 18, 2024 19:39:16 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Absolutely barmy sentences.

Frightening.

Why? Are you one?😉

[knype]

Jul 18, 2024 19:39:16 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Absolutely barmy sentences.

Frightening.

Frightening if you're a dickhead who does stupid things that endanger lives.

[bayernoatcake]

They just protest peacefully.

[henry]

At least they will reduce their carbon footprint for a couple of years.
They may even find inward peace.

[frasier37]

They are thinking about your grand kids and great grandkids for you while you continue milking the planet for your own ends 

[mickeythemaestro]

Jul 18, 2024 20:04:10 GMT frasier37 said:

They are thinking about your grand kids and great grandkids for you while you continue milking the planet for your own ends 

The same grand kids that'll be asking why the worlds economies collapsed and why there are marauding gangs traversing the land taking whatever anyone has left?

If that's a bit dystopian for you I give you these clowns who keep telling the current kids we're going to boil to death in 10 years. And have been saying that or indeed freezing to death since 1960...

[prestwichpotter]

We should all be concerned by The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022, irrespective of our opinions on Just Stop Oil. It is a draconian piece of legislation and a slippery slope for citizens of this country. And the judge should reflect on why he feels the length of sentence was justified when he deemed 3 teenagers robbing a disabled man at knifepoint in the middle of the night worthy of only 3 years for each perpetrator.  Or a 12 months suspended sentence for a nonce maybe?

[metalhead]

Fucking wild sentences.

[Huddysleftfoot]

Jul 18, 2024 21:10:09 GMT prestwichpotter said:

We should all be concerned by The Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022, irrespective of our opinions on Just Stop Oil. It is a draconian piece of legislation and a slippery slope for citizens of this country. And the judge should reflect on why he feels the length of sentence was justified when he deemed 3 teenagers robbing a disabled man at knifepoint in the middle of the night worthy of only 3 years for each perpetrator.  Or a 12 months suspended sentence for a nonce maybe?

Amazing...not a peep from Gammon central.

[bigjohnritchie]

I am grateful to all the climate emergency protesters for actually trying to do something rather than just being concerned observers.

I can't really find the words to say how inappropriate/ stupid/ out of touch are the sentences. .....Particularly in light of the "sudden" awareness of the pressure on prisons .
The Act ONLY allows a custodial sentence or fine on guilt If the offenders are guilty of something ( which they had to be.....lesser offences such as breach if the peace , criminal damage ( for other protests) have clearly been committed)... then a more appropriate sentence would be community service.....two years every Saturday cleaning up the streets if you like.The five defendants are not a direct danger to society.


The use of the word " conspiracy " in the Act raises it to a whole new level.

I can't believe the defendants will actually spend up to two years in prison ( of the 4/5 year sentences. The system is out of touch with reality in more ways than one.


Having said that:

I had to drive my wife to hospital before the birth of my son , in an emergency situation. I can't go into all the detail, but we'd already had 4 miscarriages, still birth twins at 8 months, 3 periods of hospitalised bed rest, pre eclampsia. She ended up having an emergency caesarian, son born 8 weeks premature... other issues.
When I had a heart attack in 2017 I drove myself to hospital having had chest pains for an hour and on arrival it became an emergency .

Both scenarios could have ended in deaths.
I've also driven blue lighted Police cars in emergencies....would they have been stopped.

Effective protest has to disrupt something, but it is difficult to get it right


SO it is clear to me that just to stop all traffic isn't very kind, considerate, caring and empathetic. Also I don't particularly like to see buildings sprayed with paint.

An old chestnut.....part of the answer is electoral reform......Green issues and other issues that are actually important to the " people " would be better represented in Parliament rather than those decided by the self interested political elite.



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14,000 people have already signed Just Stop Oil’s petition calling for an end to the imprisonment of truth tellers. You can join them here.

juststopoil.org/2024/07/18/whole-truth-five-sentenced-to-4-5-years-at-southwark-crown-court/

www.msn.com/en-ie/video/other/chris-packham-describes-long-jso-sentences-as-bonkers/vi-BB1qe8vM

[Davef]

Jul 19, 2024 5:04:55 GMT bigjohnritchie said:

I am grateful to all the climate emergency protesters for actually trying to do something rather than just being concerned observers.

I can't really find the words to say how inappropriate/ stupid/ out of touch are the sentences. .....Particularly in light of the "sudden" awareness of the pressure on prisons .
The Act ONLY allows a custodial sentence or fine on guilt If the offenders are guilty of something ( which they had to be.....lesser offences such as breach if the peace , criminal damage ( for other protests) have clearly been committed)... then a more appropriate sentence would be community service.....two years every Saturday cleaning up the streets if you like.The five defendants are not a direct danger to society.


The use of the word " conspiracy " in the Act raises it to a whole new level.

I can't believe the defendants will actually spend up to two years in prison ( of the 4/5 year sentences. The system is out of touch with reality in more ways than one.


Having said that:

I had to drive my wife to hospital before the birth of my son , in an emergency situation. I can't go into all the detail, but we'd already had 4 miscarriages, still birth twins at 8 months, 3 periods of hospitalised bed rest, pre eclampsia. She ended up having an emergency caesarian, son born 8 weeks premature... other issues.
When I had a heart attack in 2017 I drove myself to hospital having had chest pains for an hour and on arrival it became an emergency .

Both scenarios could have ended in deaths.
I've also driven blue lighted Police cars in emergencies....would they have been stopped.

Effective protest has to disrupt something, but it is difficult to get it right


SO it is clear to me that just to stop all traffic isn't very kind, considerate, caring and empathetic. Also I don't particularly like to see buildings sprayed with paint.

An old chestnut.....part of the answer is electoral reform......Green issues and other issues that are actually important to the " people " would be better represented in Parliament rather than those decided by the self interested political elite.



.....................


14,000 people have already signed Just Stop Oil’s petition calling for an end to the imprisonment of truth tellers. You can join them here.

juststopoil.org/2024/07/18/whole-truth-five-sentenced-to-4-5-years-at-southwark-crown-court/

www.msn.com/en-ie/video/other/chris-packham-describes-long-jso-sentences-as-bonkers/vi-BB1qe8vM

news.sky.com/story/just-stop-oil-co-founder-among-five-protesters-jailed-for-m25-disruption-13179407

"Prosecutors alleged the protests, during which 45 people climbed up the gantries, had an economic cost of at least £765,000, while the cost to the Metropolitan Police was more than £1.1m.

They also allegedly caused more than 50,000 hours of vehicle delay, affected more than 700,000 vehicles and left the M25 "compromised" for more than 120 hours."

It is inconceivable to imagine that what could have happened to you had your journeys been delayed did not happen countless times over to people disrupted by these protests. Who knows how many personal tragedies they have caused?

[bigjohnritchie]

Jul 19, 2024 5:35:19 GMT Davef said:

Jul 19, 2024 5:04:55 GMT bigjohnritchie said:

I am grateful to all the climate emergency protesters for actually trying to do something rather than just being concerned observers.

I can't really find the words to say how inappropriate/ stupid/ out of touch are the sentences. .....Particularly in light of the "sudden" awareness of the pressure on prisons .
The Act ONLY allows a custodial sentence or fine on guilt If the offenders are guilty of something ( which they had to be.....lesser offences such as breach if the peace , criminal damage ( for other protests) have clearly been committed)... then a more appropriate sentence would be community service.....two years every Saturday cleaning up the streets if you like.The five defendants are not a direct danger to society.


The use of the word " conspiracy " in the Act raises it to a whole new level.

I can't believe the defendants will actually spend up to two years in prison ( of the 4/5 year sentences. The system is out of touch with reality in more ways than one.


Having said that:

I had to drive my wife to hospital before the birth of my son , in an emergency situation. I can't go into all the detail, but we'd already had 4 miscarriages, still birth twins at 8 months, 3 periods of hospitalised bed rest, pre eclampsia. She ended up having an emergency caesarian, son born 8 weeks premature... other issues.
When I had a heart attack in 2017 I drove myself to hospital having had chest pains for an hour and on arrival it became an emergency .

Both scenarios could have ended in deaths.
I've also driven blue lighted Police cars in emergencies....would they have been stopped.

Effective protest has to disrupt something, but it is difficult to get it right


SO it is clear to me that just to stop all traffic isn't very kind, considerate, caring and empathetic. Also I don't particularly like to see buildings sprayed with paint.

An old chestnut.....part of the answer is electoral reform......Green issues and other issues that are actually important to the " people " would be better represented in Parliament rather than those decided by the self interested political elite.



.....................


14,000 people have already signed Just Stop Oil’s petition calling for an end to the imprisonment of truth tellers. You can join them here.

juststopoil.org/2024/07/18/whole-truth-five-sentenced-to-4-5-years-at-southwark-crown-court/

www.msn.com/en-ie/video/other/chris-packham-describes-long-jso-sentences-as-bonkers/vi-BB1qe8vM

news.sky.com/story/just-stop-oil-co-founder-among-five-protesters-jailed-for-m25-disruption-13179407

"Prosecutors alleged the protests, during which 45 people climbed up the gantries, had an economic cost of at least £765,000, while the cost to the Metropolitan Police was more than £1.1m.

They also allegedly caused more than 50,000 hours of vehicle delay, affected more than 700,000 vehicles and left the M25 "compromised" for more than 120 hours."

It is inconceivable to imagine that what could have happened to you had your journeys been delayed did not happen countless times over to people disrupted by these protests. Who knows how many personal tragedies they have caused?

Obviously I totally get that Dave.( There are more details in the caesarian one that add to the situation....but in short an hours delay WOULD probably have led to the death ( or severe cerebal damage)of my son and my wife was touch and go. Pre eclampsia is dangerous).
I also get the Climate Emergency.
I also get the nature of effective protest.


More representation ..... less need for protest ( hopefully)

In these particular cases " guilt " is one issue......I'd imagine the protesters would clearly admit ( perhaps even welcome ) their guilt.
The issue is the totally inappropriate sentences.
Which puts the Law into question.

Plus..... how do people protest effectively AND keep ( make) the public on their side?

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Jul 19, 2024 5:04:55 GMT bigjohnritchie said:

I am grateful to all the climate emergency protesters for actually trying to do something rather than just being concerned observers.

I can't really find the words to say how inappropriate/ stupid/ out of touch are the sentences. .....Particularly in light of the "sudden" awareness of the pressure on prisons .
The Act ONLY allows a custodial sentence or fine on guilt If the offenders are guilty of something ( which they had to be.....lesser offences such as breach if the peace , criminal damage ( for other protests) have clearly been committed)... then a more appropriate sentence would be community service.....two years every Saturday cleaning up the streets if you like.The five defendants are not a direct danger to society.


The use of the word " conspiracy " in the Act raises it to a whole new level.

I can't believe the defendants will actually spend up to two years in prison ( of the 4/5 year sentences. The system is out of touch with reality in more ways than one.


Having said that:

I had to drive my wife to hospital before the birth of my son , in an emergency situation. I can't go into all the detail, but we'd already had 4 miscarriages, still birth twins at 8 months, 3 periods of hospitalised bed rest, pre eclampsia. She ended up having an emergency caesarian, son born 8 weeks premature... other issues.
When I had a heart attack in 2017 I drove myself to hospital having had chest pains for an hour and on arrival it became an emergency .

Both scenarios could have ended in deaths.
I've also driven blue lighted Police cars in emergencies....would they have been stopped.

Effective protest has to disrupt something, but it is difficult to get it right


SO it is clear to me that just to stop all traffic isn't very kind, considerate, caring and empathetic. Also I don't particularly like to see buildings sprayed with paint.

An old chestnut.....part of the answer is electoral reform......Green issues and other issues that are actually important to the " people " would be better represented in Parliament rather than those decided by the self interested political elite.



.....................


14,000 people have already signed Just Stop Oil’s petition calling for an end to the imprisonment of truth tellers. You can join them here.

juststopoil.org/2024/07/18/whole-truth-five-sentenced-to-4-5-years-at-southwark-crown-court/

www.msn.com/en-ie/video/other/chris-packham-describes-long-jso-sentences-as-bonkers/vi-BB1qe8vM

Well said.

[andystokey]

Cocaine fuelled lorry driver causes 7 car pile up on M25, fled the scene and was found 100 miles away, sentenced to 2 years suspended, yesterday.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c72vmjlg07no

Hertfordshire Serious Collision Investigation Unit, said: “While the pain and suffering for those involved in the collision will be hard to forget, I hope that this result from the court has sent out a strong warning to anyone who believes they are above the law.

[RedandWhite90]

What a ridiculous sentence.

[prestwichpotter]

Jul 19, 2024 7:32:28 GMT andystokey said:

Cocaine fuelled lorry driver causes 7 car pile up on M25, fled the scene and was found 100 miles away, sentenced to 2 years suspended, yesterday.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c72vmjlg07no

Hertfordshire Serious Collision Investigation Unit, said: “While the pain and suffering for those involved in the collision will be hard to forget, I hope that this result from the court has sent out a strong warning to anyone who believes they are above the law.

There would have been people potentially trying to get to loved one before they die, or to the birth of their child or some other seismic event, stuck on the M25 after this happened.  Why oh why were they not given at least 4 years?

[Rednwhitenblue]

Jul 19, 2024 7:57:20 GMT RedandWhite90 said:

What a ridiculous sentence.

I can't see it sticking, to be honest.

Whilst I agree that they should be prosecuted and sentenced for breaking the law, those sentences are akin to what you'd get for killing someone in a hit and run. The levels of pain and damage are just not comparable.

Tickled me to see the Daily Hate suddenly finding that some judges aren't actually the enemy of the people 

[thehartshillbadger]

Jul 19, 2024 7:57:20 GMT RedandWhite90 said:

What a ridiculous sentence.

You said it

[Foster]

Jul 19, 2024 13:02:52 GMT Rednwhitenblue said:

Jul 19, 2024 7:57:20 GMT RedandWhite90 said:

What a ridiculous sentence.

I can't see it sticking, to be honest.

Whilst I agree that they should be prosecuted and sentenced for breaking the law, those sentences are akin to what you'd get for killing someone in a hit and run. The levels of pain and damage are just not comparable.

Tickled me to see the Daily Hate suddenly finding that some judges aren't actually the enemy of the people 

The only way they got those sentences are if the judge/s are bent.

Big business and money talks.

Meanwhile... 9 months for someone who repeatedly kicked a traffic Warden in the head whilst already on the floor.

No money to be made on that one.

[Rednwhitenblue]

Jul 19, 2024 16:12:56 GMT Foster said:

Jul 19, 2024 13:02:52 GMT Rednwhitenblue said:

I can't see it sticking, to be honest.

Whilst I agree that they should be prosecuted and sentenced for breaking the law, those sentences are akin to what you'd get for killing someone in a hit and run. The levels of pain and damage are just not comparable.

Tickled me to see the Daily Hate suddenly finding that some judges aren't actually the enemy of the people 

The only way they got those sentences are if the judge/s are bent.

Big business and money talks.

Meanwhile... 9 months for someone who repeatedly kicked a traffic Warden in the head whilst already on the floor.

No money to be made on that one.

Indeed. Same bit of the Telegraph, I also saw a suspended two year sentence for a woman who illegally imported some banned pesticide into the UK, used it to fumigate her house, it leaked into next door and killed an 11yo girl on her birthday. No jail time there...

[Foster]

Jul 19, 2024 16:30:44 GMT Rednwhitenblue said:

Jul 19, 2024 16:12:56 GMT Foster said:

The only way they got those sentences are if the judge/s are bent.

Big business and money talks.

Meanwhile... 9 months for someone who repeatedly kicked a traffic Warden in the head whilst already on the floor.

No money to be made on that one.

Indeed. Same bit of the Telegraph, I also saw a suspended two year sentence for a woman who illegally imported some banned pesticide into the UK, used it to fumigate her house, it leaked into next door and killed an 11yo girl on her birthday. No jail time there...

So much corruption mate. I'm sick of it. It's hard not be be riled when you're witness to it each day and its getting worse.

[Rednwhitenblue]

We're not legal experts nor did we have full access to all the court documents but I do completely agree with you that the sentences in the JSO case are clearly influenced by external agents wanting to make an example of people.

There'll be rapists and kiddie fiddlers doing less time.

[middleoftheboothen]

Jul 18, 2024 19:40:54 GMT thehartshillbadger said:

Jul 18, 2024 19:39:16 GMT bayernoatcake said:

Absolutely barmy sentences.

Frightening.

Why? Are you one?😉

Could definitely see him lying in the road wearing a viz vest stopping traffic until Stoke agree to bring back Verlinden.

[Clayton Wood]

Jul 19, 2024 16:30:44 GMT Rednwhitenblue said:

Jul 19, 2024 16:12:56 GMT Foster said:

The only way they got those sentences are if the judge/s are bent.

Big business and money talks.

Meanwhile... 9 months for someone who repeatedly kicked a traffic Warden in the head whilst already on the floor.

No money to be made on that one.

Indeed. Same bit of the Telegraph, I also saw a suspended two year sentence for a woman who illegally imported some banned pesticide into the UK, used it to fumigate her house, it leaked into next door and killed an 11yo girl on her birthday. No jail time there...

7 years for 16 yo on the Isle of Wight for terrorist conspiracy.
Got off lightly then.

[iancransonsknees]