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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 25, 2024 8:29:27 GMT
I don't care what the reasons are behind it are. I don't care how laudable the cause is or is not. To condone violence and vandalism as a means to an ideological end is plain wrong however you dress it up. So what do you suggest? Maybe the suffragettes wanting votes for women should have just sent a strongly worded letter to the government and left it at that ? Or Cromwell and the peasants should have just kept grovelling in the dirt whilst the Kings and Lords taxed them to high heaven and lived the life of luxury dictating what they wanted ? Not that much has changed from Cromwell until now from that description!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jun 25, 2024 8:29:30 GMT
Hold the incoming Labour government to it's manifesto commitment of no new oil and gas licences for the North Sea. If it doesn't there's your target for orange paint. Hopefully they will hold to their pledge, but we know what all governments do and say are never the same. Not my target, their target. If they are going to grow the economy by anything like the amount needed to fund their spending plans then something will have to give. Even then I don't agree with wanton vandalism to make an ideological point.
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Post by oggyoggy on Jun 25, 2024 8:31:10 GMT
That’s terrible. The EU needs to get on top of that.
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Post by Northy on Jun 25, 2024 8:32:02 GMT
Hopefully they will hold to their pledge, but we know what all governments do and say are never the same. Not my target, their target. If they are going to grow the economy by anything like the amount needed to fund their spending plans then something will have to give. Even then I don't agree with wanton vandalism to make an ideological point. Well, I suppose all those women going to vote next week would disagree with you.
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Post by frasier37 on Jun 25, 2024 8:59:19 GMT
Just maybe, the Stop oil "Self entitled" aren't the "Dorks" but, the people moaning about them are. Yeah maybe. I mean we could do what they say. Crash our economy, create civil unrest and hope Putin, the panda bear and the likes of fatty in N Korea do the same. I mean what in the fuck could possibly go wrong......I'm on board. Although when I sober up I may change my mind..... So, lets continue to the end game ?...destroy the whole planet because you're scared of what putin and Kim might do? We are on the wrong track, we've been on it for far too long, it's leading us to destructions (thats fact notover the top bollocks) and you're biggest worry is the economy if we stop oil We need a new track quick because the end of it is clearly in sight.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2024 9:34:31 GMT
Yeah maybe. I mean we could do what they say. Crash our economy, create civil unrest and hope Putin, the panda bear and the likes of fatty in N Korea do the same. I mean what in the fuck could possibly go wrong......I'm on board. Although when I sober up I may change my mind..... So, lets continue to the end game ?...destroy the whole planet because you're scared of what putin and Kim might do? We are on the wrong track, we've been on it for far too long, it's leading us to destructions (thats fact notover the top bollocks) and you're biggest worry is the economy if we stop oil We need a new track quick because the end of it is clearly in sight. Fraise True Protest might work but a change in the Electoral system would give the Greens more MPs, a bigger voice and platform to grow.Until Reform happens they will only be seen as a novelty group politically and in the media. Imo
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Post by frasier37 on Jun 25, 2024 10:04:27 GMT
So, lets continue to the end game ?...destroy the whole planet because you're scared of what putin and Kim might do? We are on the wrong track, we've been on it for far too long, it's leading us to destructions (thats fact notover the top bollocks) and you're biggest worry is the economy if we stop oil We need a new track quick because the end of it is clearly in sight. Fraise True Protest might work but a change in the Electoral system would give the Greens more MPs, a bigger voice and platform to grow.Until Reform happens they will only be seen as a novelty group politically and in the media. Imo Something needs to happen John because i don't understand the point of voting with our only choices being the two parties that give us more of the same, just because that's how those with like it to stay. On saying that the world is now full of self serving me and mine come first brigade so that would just encourage more far right voters in my opinion in the meantime though i'm happy to support anything that goes against the greedy twats that are causing ecological damage. Sorry to be negative but as a species we are doomed , i'm pretty sure we actually live in Hell....and we all (including myself ) chose it many years ago and it's getting worse
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jun 25, 2024 10:12:42 GMT
Fraise True Protest might work but a change in the Electoral system would give the Greens more MPs, a bigger voice and platform to grow.Until Reform happens they will only be seen as a novelty group politically and in the media. Imo Something needs to happen John because i don't understand the point of voting with our only choices being the two parties that give us more of the same, just because that's how those with like it to stay. On saying that the world is now full of self serving me and mine come first brigade so that would just encourage more far right voters in my opinion in the meantime though i'm happy to support anything that goes against the greedy twats that are causing ecological damage. Sorry to be negative but as a species we are doomed , i'm pretty sure we actually live in Hell....and we all (including myself ) chose it many years ago and it's getting worse I don’t think you are being negative Fraise, just realistic. I've thought and have been saying the same for years. The global population explosion in the 20c and 21c has obviously caused more " consumption " and therefore destruction of the earth's resources..I would even include house building, road building infrastructure as detrimental, with no consideration for the environment
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 29, 2024 13:47:06 GMT
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Post by steve66 on Jul 10, 2024 16:48:57 GMT
Now because they believe labour on their side & going to stop drilling for oil as I understand, the idiots have “celebrated” by pouring orange paint across roads of London! Am I missing something? Sure someone on here has more insight than myself?
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Post by steve66 on Jul 10, 2024 19:51:45 GMT
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2024 19:36:57 GMT
More like retarded. The presenter is a prime example of the problem. Someone who thinks that resources are limitless. Thick as fuck.
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Post by steve66 on Jul 11, 2024 19:47:35 GMT
More like retarded. The presenter is a prime example of the problem. Someone who thinks that resources are limitless. Thick as fuck. So tell me how life styles go on without resources currently available?
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2024 19:50:26 GMT
More like retarded. The presenter is a prime example of the problem. Someone who thinks that resources are limitless. Thick as fuck. So tell me how life styles go on without resources currently available? Tell me how they go on when there are none of these resources left? You do understand that they will run out eventually don't you.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 11, 2024 19:50:55 GMT
More like retarded. The presenter is a prime example of the problem. Someone who thinks that resources are limitless. Thick as fuck. Extremely rude and disrespectful “interview”. But if you pick the bones out of it she’s not wrong is she? There may well be some serious consequences to the planet because of the actions of humans but to ban fossil fuels in the next 5 years or even 20 years sounds barmy to me.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 11, 2024 20:02:41 GMT
We're not even exploring the option though. I agree that we probably can't stop using fossil fuels entirely by 2030 but under the previous government, drilling was expected to ramp up even further.
We're not just minor players in the destruction, we are willing participants.
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Post by steve66 on Jul 11, 2024 20:23:01 GMT
So tell me how life styles go on without resources currently available? Tell me how they go on when there are none of these resources left? You do understand that they will run out eventually don't you. You tell me what we are going replace them with then and I might have a little respect for your crass comments
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 11, 2024 20:24:36 GMT
We're not even exploring the option though. I agree that we probably can't stop using fossil fuels entirely by 2030 but under the previous government, drilling was expected to ramp up even further. We're not just minor players in the destruction, we are willing participants. Who are? Humans or the U.K.? Or may and thay?😉
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2024 20:53:27 GMT
Tell me how they go on when there are none of these resources left? You do understand that they will run out eventually don't you. You tell me what we are going replace them with then and I might have a little respect for your crass comments Renewables
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2024 20:57:31 GMT
More like retarded. The presenter is a prime example of the problem. Someone who thinks that resources are limitless. Thick as fuck. Extremely rude and disrespectful “interview”. But if you pick the bones out of it she’s not wrong is she? There may well be some serious consequences to the planet because of the actions of humans but to ban fossil fuels in the next 5 years or even 20 years sounds barmy to me. That's what they said 10 years ago. A solution needs to be found as we know the way it's done currently is not sustainable. I'm surprised we still have fossil fuels left tbh. The middle east will be holding us to ransom.
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Post by steve66 on Jul 11, 2024 20:57:58 GMT
You tell me what we are going replace them with then and I might have a little respect for your crass comments Renewables That it? And where do these come from?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 11, 2024 21:00:51 GMT
Extremely rude and disrespectful “interview”. But if you pick the bones out of it she’s not wrong is she? There may well be some serious consequences to the planet because of the actions of humans but to ban fossil fuels in the next 5 years or even 20 years sounds barmy to me. That's what they said 10 years ago. A solution needs to be found as we know the way it's done currently is not sustainable. I'm surprised we still have fossil fuels left tbh. The middle east will be holding us to ransom. I’m open minded on the idea but I have to say I’m yet to hear a realistic alternative to fossil fuels or even a explanation that makes me understand how it happens
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Post by metalhead on Jul 11, 2024 21:15:50 GMT
We're not even exploring the option though. I agree that we probably can't stop using fossil fuels entirely by 2030 but under the previous government, drilling was expected to ramp up even further. We're not just minor players in the destruction, we are willing participants. Who are? Humans or the U.K.? Or may and thay?😉 The UK. We can't force others to play by the rules.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 11, 2024 21:17:16 GMT
Who are? Humans or the U.K.? Or may and thay?😉 The UK. We can't force others to play by the rules. Excuse my ignorance, what are others doing in comparison to the U.K.?
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 11, 2024 21:30:31 GMT
The UK. We can't force others to play by the rules. Excuse my ignorance, what are others doing in comparison to the U.K.? √fa
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Post by foster on Jul 11, 2024 21:31:56 GMT
That's what they said 10 years ago. A solution needs to be found as we know the way it's done currently is not sustainable. I'm surprised we still have fossil fuels left tbh. The middle east will be holding us to ransom. I’m open minded on the idea but I have to say I’m yet to hear a realistic alternative to fossil fuels or even a explanation that makes me understand how it happens Can't be bothered debating this tbh mate. It's been done to death. Everyone knows about climate change, renewable energy, etc. There's nothing needed to convince people either way. You're either for the environment or not.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 12, 2024 3:50:23 GMT
That's what they said 10 years ago. A solution needs to be found as we know the way it's done currently is not sustainable. I'm surprised we still have fossil fuels left tbh. The middle east will be holding us to ransom. I’m open minded on the idea but I have to say I’m yet to hear a realistic alternative to fossil fuels or even a explanation that makes me understand how it happens
I think what's just as important as finding an 'alternative' to fossil fuels, is us developing a complete sea change in our attitude to the consumption of energy and attempting to radically reduce it, as much as we can.
For over 100 years now, we've basically considered that we, as as a species, are completely free to power our industries and travel and heat our domestic lives as freely as we jolly well like but now it's actually time to fess up and realise that this simply isn't true.
It's a bit like smoking, you get so far in life thinking next year I'll stop or it'll kill me and either you do or you don't, you know that the inevitable is coming unless you change your ways, it's just a matter of ultimately deciding that you're finally (this time) going to do it.
The analogy doesn't completely work because one is about personal choice, whilst the other is about a collective choice but I guess that individually, we all have the ability to try and convince the people around us, just how vital it is, for us all, to consume less energy.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 12, 2024 5:47:56 GMT
I’m open minded on the idea but I have to say I’m yet to hear a realistic alternative to fossil fuels or even a explanation that makes me understand how it happens
I think what's just as important as finding an 'alternative' to fossil fuels, is us developing a complete sea change in our attitude to the consumption of energy and attempting to radically reduce it, as much as we can.
For over 100 years now, we've basically considered that we, as as a species, are completely free to power our industries and travel and heat our domestic lives as freely as we jolly well like but now it's actually time to fess up and realise that this simply isn't true.
It's a bit like smoking, you get so far in life thinking next year I'll stop or it'll kill me and either you do or you don't, you know that the inevitable is coming unless you change your ways, it's just a matter of ultimately deciding that you're finally (this time) going to do it.
The analogy doesn't completely work because one is about personal choice, whilst the other is about a collective choice but I guess that individually, we all have the ability to try and convince the people around us, just how vital it is, for us all, to consume less energy.
So where do “we” begin with that? What can me or you do to help?
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 12, 2024 5:52:53 GMT
I’m open minded on the idea but I have to say I’m yet to hear a realistic alternative to fossil fuels or even a explanation that makes me understand how it happens Can't be bothered debating this tbh mate. It's been done to death. Everyone knows about climate change, renewable energy, etc. There's nothing needed to convince people either way. You're either for the environment or not. I’d like to think most people are for the environment but I want to know what, as a general population, we can do to make an almost immediate tangible difference whilst the professionals go about developing alternatives to a point where the world can completely do without fossil fuels. I’m not arguing by the way, I just don’t know but I’m hoping someone with a more fact based opinion can tell me the key areas where changes don’t have significant negative impacts on peoples lives.
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Post by knype on Jul 12, 2024 6:47:35 GMT
I think what's just as important as finding an 'alternative' to fossil fuels, is us developing a complete sea change in our attitude to the consumption of energy and attempting to radically reduce it, as much as we can.
For over 100 years now, we've basically considered that we, as as a species, are completely free to power our industries and travel and heat our domestic lives as freely as we jolly well like but now it's actually time to fess up and realise that this simply isn't true. It's a bit like smoking, you get so far in life thinking next year I'll stop or it'll kill me and either you do or you don't, you know that the inevitable is coming unless you change your ways, it's just a matter of ultimately deciding that you're finally (this time) going to do it. The analogy doesn't completely work because one is about personal choice, whilst the other is about a collective choice but I guess that individually, we all have the ability to try and convince the people around us, just how vital it is, for us all, to consume less energy.
So where do “we” begin with that? What can me or you do to help? You can spend shit loads on your house to make it "eco" friendly and in the grand scheme of things it will do bugger all unless everyone in the world has to do the same thing!
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