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Post by knype on Jul 13, 2023 19:30:40 GMT
how do we deal with these people then...imagine walking down Stanley Matthews way like that on a Saturday old bill would soon move them on Shouldn't people be questioning how we deal with the government still handing out our taxpayers money to these global giants (who rip us off massively) for R&D purposes 🤣🤣 and issuing licences for new exploration, rather than a few protesters delaying people for a few minutes? No, we ought to be scrapping the green levies forcing people's bills up. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 13, 2023 21:08:28 GMT
Shouldn't people be questioning how we deal with the government still handing out our taxpayers money to these global giants (who rip us off massively) for R&D purposes 🤣🤣 and issuing licences for new exploration, rather than a few protesters delaying people for a few minutes? No, we ought to be scrapping the green levies forcing people's bills up. What would you do instead? Windfall tax on their profits? |
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Post by Northy on Jul 14, 2023 8:40:05 GMT
Shouldn't people be questioning how we deal with the government still handing out our taxpayers money to these global giants (who rip us off massively) for R&D purposes 🤣🤣 and issuing licences for new exploration, rather than a few protesters delaying people for a few minutes? No, we ought to be scrapping the green levies forcing people's bills up. So you're quite OK with peoples taxes being up to pay off these massive financially sound and huge profit making companies a bit extra cash to increase the shareholder pay outs instead of those profits being used for R&D ? And you are OK with the extra pollution in the air oil brings, causing many early deaths, cancers, asthma, etc and about £5bn a year extra burden and resources on the NHS rather than paying a bit extra to make the air that we breathe cleaner ? |
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Post by knype on Jul 14, 2023 8:46:46 GMT
No, we ought to be scrapping the green levies forcing people's bills up. So you're quite OK with peoples taxes being up to pay off these massive financially sound and huge profit making companies a bit extra cash to increase the shareholder pay outs instead of those profits being used for R&D ? And you are OK with the extra pollution in the air oil brings, causing many early deaths, cancers, asthma, etc and about £5bn a year extra burden and resources on the NHS rather than paying a bit extra to make the air that we breathe cleaner ? No, we should be taxing them more? Do you think that by the UK doing a little extra when China, Russia and the USA are all far bigger contributors to pollution and seemingly not doing much about mining will make any difference on the grand scheme of things? I don't know because I haven't looked into it enough to see if there are many early deaths due to what you say or the 5bn a year burden. |
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Post by Northy on Jul 14, 2023 8:57:36 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 14, 2023 9:21:05 GMT
how do we deal with these people then...imagine walking down Stanley Matthews way like that on a Saturday old bill would soon move them on Shouldn't people be questioning how we deal with the government still handing out our taxpayers money to these global giants (who rip us off massively) for R&D purposes 🤣🤣 and issuing licences for new exploration, rather than a few protesters delaying people for a few minutes? Well yes - either that or help them out by moaning at the people prepared to point out the consequences of apathy and acquiescence to those profiteering from frazzling the planet. |
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Post by Foster on Jul 14, 2023 9:50:58 GMT
As much as these dorks sometimes make me cringe with their methods. At least they're doing something and doing it for a good cause.
It's more than I do so I can't begrudge them for it.
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Post by superjw on Jul 14, 2023 16:27:34 GMT
Do these people actually have a workable and realistic solution should they get their wish and stop all oil?
I’d like to think that they have some sort of blueprint we can see as to what their “keep the lights on” solution is.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2023 16:31:59 GMT
Do these people actually have a workable and realistic solution should they get their wish and stop all oil? I’d like to think that they have some sort of blueprint we can see as to what their “keep the lights on” solution is. Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. |
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Post by superjw on Jul 14, 2023 16:43:19 GMT
Do these people actually have a workable and realistic solution should they get their wish and stop all oil? I’d like to think that they have some sort of blueprint we can see as to what their “keep the lights on” solution is. Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. That’s not a keep the lights on solution though, our grid can’t be run solely off solar and wind. Nuclear is the only viable option to sustain society, with renewables supporting it. But the people of my parents and grandparents generations put a stop to that. If they had a clear, well thought out plan that can deliver the required consistent energy output for the country for today and future generations, without the use of oil - then I and perhaps more people would listen for sure. We need actual solutions not hot air. |
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Post by knype on Jul 14, 2023 16:48:24 GMT
Do these people actually have a workable and realistic solution should they get their wish and stop all oil? I’d like to think that they have some sort of blueprint we can see as to what their “keep the lights on” solution is. Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. Aside from the fact they hardly produce anything |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 14, 2023 16:52:38 GMT
Do these people actually have a workable and realistic solution should they get their wish and stop all oil? I’d like to think that they have some sort of blueprint we can see as to what their “keep the lights on” solution is. Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. You do realise that all the steel, fibreglass, micro chips etc... needed to make these wind turbines don't grow on trees, right? So how are you building the parts, shipping them around the globe, transporting them to the installation site, maintaining them etc... without using oil? And that's without even thinking about how you're going to build & run all the vehicles & equipment needed to do all that, or what we're all going to do when the wind isn't blowing. |
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Post by andystokey on Jul 14, 2023 16:52:43 GMT
Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. Aside from the fact they hardly produce anything Doesn't wind already produce 27% of the UK energy? Only gas is higher at 38%. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2023 16:53:39 GMT
Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. You do realise that all the steel, fibreglass, micro chips etc... needed to make these wind turbines don't grow on trees, right? So how are you building the parts, shipping them around the globe, transporting them to the installation site, maintaining them etc... without using oil? And that's without even thinking about how you're going to build & run all the vehicles & equipment needed to do all that, or what we're all going to do when the wind isn't blowing. Voodoo |
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Post by andystokey on Jul 14, 2023 16:57:49 GMT
Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. You do realise that all the steel, fibreglass, micro chips etc... needed to make these wind turbines don't grow on trees, right? So how are you building the parts, shipping them around the globe, transporting them to the installation site, maintaining them etc... without using oil? And that's without even thinking about how you're going to build & run all the vehicles & equipment needed to do all that, or what we're all going to do when the wind isn't blowing. Sadly despite all these pages they clearly have failed to get their message across. Their stated aim is very simple.
Just Stop Oil is a nonviolent civil resistance group demanding the UK Government stop licensing all new oil, gas and coal projects.Maybe they should change their name to Just Stop New Oil. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2023 16:59:14 GMT
Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. That’s not a keep the lights on solution though, our grid can’t be run solely off solar and wind. Nuclear is the only viable option to sustain society, with renewables supporting it. But the people of my parents and grandparents generations put a stop to that. If they had a clear, well thought out plan that can deliver the required consistent energy output for the country for today and future generations, without the use of oil - then I and perhaps more people would listen for sure. We need actual solutions not hot air. Yes I agree, a combination of preferably non-polluting energy supplies, constructed in a preferably non-polluting way. Doesn't seem like an insurmountable task to me, and infinitely preferable to simply shrugging and saying "too hard, let's just carry on burning oil" while the earth continues to boil. |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2023 17:02:24 GMT
Aside from the fact they hardly produce anything Doesn't wind already produce 27% of the UK energy? Only gas is higher at 38%. Gas: 38.5% Wind: 26.8% Nuclear: 15.5% Biomass: 5.2% Coal: 1.5% Solar: 4.4% Imports (mixed source): 5.5% Hydro: 1.8% Energy storage: 0.9% That's 2022. We're not too bad already on the renewables front and hopefully it'll soon be consistently over 50% every year. |
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Post by elystokie on Jul 14, 2023 17:03:27 GMT
Invest massively in renewables, especially onshore windfarms, the kind of thing that doesn't go down well in shire counties because it spoils the view. Aside from the fact they hardly produce anything Renewables are producing 53.7% of the power required at this moment in time, this is the peak demand period usually. Live updates here - grid.iamkate.com/ |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2023 17:04:15 GMT
Hydro is going to be the big thing in the coming decade
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2023 17:05:08 GMT
Hydro is going to be the big thing in the coming decade Not voodoo?! |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2023 17:08:06 GMT
Hydro is going to be the big thing in the coming decade Not voodoo?! Well voodoo may come into play at some point, it always does👀 |
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Post by andystokey on Jul 14, 2023 17:10:18 GMT
Well voodoo may come into play at some point, it always does👀 I can't stop smiling at that "Friday Joke": I went for acupuncture and when I got home my voodoo doll was dead 😁 |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2023 17:10:45 GMT
Well voodoo may come into play at some point, it always does👀 Dr Kananga will know. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2023 17:12:07 GMT
Well voodoo may come into play at some point, it always does👀 I can't stop smiling at that "Friday Joke": I went for acupuncture and when I got home my voodoo doll was dead 😁 🤣 |
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Post by starkiller on Jul 14, 2023 17:18:40 GMT
Pollution is a problem. CO2 isn't. In climate con propaganda, billowing smoking chimneys are used to highlight CO2 emissions. CO2 is not a pollutant, is clear, odourless, and essential for all life on the planet. |
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Post by andystokey on Jul 14, 2023 17:35:13 GMT
Pollution is a problem. CO2 isn't. In climate con propaganda, billowing smoking chimneys are used to highlight CO2 emissions. CO2 is not a pollutant, is clear, odourless, and essential for all life on the planet. All smoke contains Carbon Dioxide and most flue gases contain 10-25% CO2. Car exhaust is about 14% for petrol engines. Excess CO2 makes the planet hotter. |
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 14, 2023 18:39:29 GMT
Aside from the fact they hardly produce anything Renewables are producing 53.7% of the power required at this moment in time, this is the peak demand period usually. Live updates here - grid.iamkate.com/Private capital being put to work. We should put a stop to it. Nationalise it or windfall tax it out of existence. Scumbags 😉 |
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Post by swampmongrel on Jul 14, 2023 18:46:08 GMT
Aside from the fact they hardly produce anything Renewables are producing 53.7% of the power required at this moment in time, this is the peak demand period usually. Live updates here - grid.iamkate.com/Actually. Electricity is only a smallish part of a countries energy requirements so it’s not the whole story. But yeah renewables do and will provide a large part of the solution. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2023 18:49:58 GMT
I was talking to a client from a company in the oil and gas industry in Aberdeen the other week.
For the last few years he’s been moaning about how the industry is on its knees due to the increase of renewables shafting him.
But the other week, when I asked him how business was he said it was absolutely booming because nobody gives a flying fuck about renewables in Aberdeen anymore!
Not sure what’s changed other than him giving us a load of work!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2023 19:00:16 GMT
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