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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 10:34:56 GMT
And Hughes still said yes, Scholes didn't make the decision to sign him. Both Scholes and Hughes as culpable as each other in my eyes. Hughes may have selected him as a player of interest he wanted (why only knows!) to sign but Scholes was the one who ultimately sanctioned the deal and player terms off! At any point Scholes could have pulled the plug on the deal, afterall his main job was to be the eyes and ears on behalf of the owners, & nothing about this deal made any sense in relation to Wimmers past transfer dealings and actual playing stats! I'm certainly not qualified in finances or scouting players but come on, anyone not even remotely interested in football or transfer fees could see we were being royally shafted by this deal in all aspects. It's equivalent to a car salesman trying to sell you a 1.1 basic spec Ford Focus for a Focus RS price. You'd quickly cotton on the salesman was trying to pull your pants down right there and then & disappear out the door sharpish. Both Hughes and his mate Scholes got mugged off by car salesman Levy on this occasion I'm afraid! Both happy to comment away & celebrate this deal like the cat that caught the cream so both as responsibile as each other in my eyes 👇🏻 Check out this post from Stoke City FC www.stokecityfc.com/news/city-seal-wimmer-dealAgreed , scholes was in charge of the finances and it's was his job to protect the club's interests in any strange and unusual deals . Wanting to pay top dollar ( a few million less than Liverpool paid for mo Salah ) for a player banned from playing for failing an FA drugs test ( berahino) is such a deal . Wanting to pay top dollar ( a fee adjacent to what Leicester paid for Harry Maguire) for a squad player with limited premier League experience ( wimmer) is another If scholes had said that he had questioned these deals , but ultimately decided to back Hughes judgement, with the proviso that the initial fee was small but rising rapidly after 50 , 100 , 200 games for the club. Then that would be fine, but not at all what happened. At no time did scholes insist these seemingly strange deals were only going ahead if the club's interests were protected from the obvious gambling nature of the deals . That did not happen. If scholes didn't have the balls to insist such strange and potentially high risk deals would only go ahead on the club's terms or not at all .Then he shouldn't have been chief exec .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 14, 2022 10:46:33 GMT
Both Scholes and Hughes as culpable as each other in my eyes. Hughes may have selected him as a player of interest he wanted (why only knows!) to sign but Scholes was the one who ultimately sanctioned the deal and player terms off! At any point Scholes could have pulled the plug on the deal, afterall his main job was to be the eyes and ears on behalf of the owners, & nothing about this deal made any sense in relation to Wimmers past transfer dealings and actual playing stats! I'm certainly not qualified in finances or scouting players but come on, anyone not even remotely interested in football or transfer fees could see we were being royally shafted by this deal in all aspects. It's equivalent to a car salesman trying to sell you a 1.1 basic spec Ford Focus for a Focus RS price. You'd quickly cotton on the salesman was trying to pull your pants down right there and then & disappear out the door sharpish. Both Hughes and his mate Scholes got mugged off by car salesman Levy on this occasion I'm afraid! Both happy to comment away & celebrate this deal like the cat that caught the cream so both as responsibile as each other in my eyes 👇🏻 Check out this post from Stoke City FC www.stokecityfc.com/news/city-seal-wimmer-dealAgreed , scholes was in charge of the finances and it's was his job to protect the club's interests in any strange and unusual deals . Wanting to pay top dollar ( a few million less than Liverpool paid for mo Salah ) for a player banned from playing for failing an FA drugs test ( berahino) is such a deal . Wanting to pay top dollar ( a fee adjacent to what Leicester paid for Harry Maguire) for a squad player with limited premier League experience ( wimmer) is another If scholes had said that he had questioned these deals , but ultimately decided to back Hughes judgement, with the proviso that the initial fee was small but rising rapidly after 50 , 100 , 200 games for the club. Then that would be fine, but not at all what happened. At no time did scholes insist these seemingly strange deals were only going ahead if the club's interests were protected from the obvious gambling nature of the deals . That did not happen. If scholes didn't have the balls to insist such strange and potentially high risk deals would only go ahead on the club's terms or not at all .Then he shouldn't have been chief exec . Presumably the owners could've put their foot down as well? If he'd pulled the plug on a deal and the player has gone on to be a superstar, presumably this place would've been magnanimous and understanding...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 11:19:24 GMT
Agreed , scholes was in charge of the finances and it's was his job to protect the club's interests in any strange and unusual deals . Wanting to pay top dollar ( a few million less than Liverpool paid for mo Salah ) for a player banned from playing for failing an FA drugs test ( berahino) is such a deal . Wanting to pay top dollar ( a fee adjacent to what Leicester paid for Harry Maguire) for a squad player with limited premier League experience ( wimmer) is another If scholes had said that he had questioned these deals , but ultimately decided to back Hughes judgement, with the proviso that the initial fee was small but rising rapidly after 50 , 100 , 200 games for the club. Then that would be fine, but not at all what happened. At no time did scholes insist these seemingly strange deals were only going ahead if the club's interests were protected from the obvious gambling nature of the deals . That did not happen. If scholes didn't have the balls to insist such strange and potentially high risk deals would only go ahead on the club's terms or not at all .Then he shouldn't have been chief exec . Presumably the owners could've put their foot down as well? If he'd pulled the plug on a deal and the player has gone on to be a superstar, presumably this place would've been magnanimous and understanding... But he has paid the fee of a superstar for an out and out punt ! He has paid mo Salah, Harry Maguire money for a punt that could be anything! You are right about the owners though They should have backed scholes in saying that we are not paying Harry Maguire,mo Salah money up front, for a couple of guys with no current form in the premier League, one unable to get a game and the other banned from playing. The owners and chief exec went a bit mad and we ended up, paying superstar money for a couple of worthless players .
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 14, 2022 11:27:16 GMT
Presumably the owners could've put their foot down as well? If he'd pulled the plug on a deal and the player has gone on to be a superstar, presumably this place would've been magnanimous and understanding... But he has paid the fee of a superstar for an out and out punt ! He has paid mo Salah, Harry Maguire money for a punt that could be anything! You are right about the owners though They should have backed scholes in saying that we are not paying Harry Maguire,mo Salah money up front, for a couple of guys with no current form in the premier League, one unable to get a game and the other banned from playing. The owners and chief exec went a bit mad and we ended up, paying superstar money for a couple of worthless players . All transfers are a punt though. The football side should be managed by football people, bean counters shouldn't be involved in football decisions. This is why the structure we have is so outdated, we rely essentially on one person to make all those decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 11:57:44 GMT
I agree
At the end of day we paid 5 million for Robert huth and 12 million for xerdan shaquiri because they were top players, proven at the highest level... Chelsea , Germany, Bayern Munich, inter Milan, Switzerland. Winners at the highest level. We expected to pay top dollar and did . Fair enough, good players . As near as it gets , to superstars, at Stoke city.
Then, lord knows why , paid out even more than that, for a punt on berahino and wimmer. With the money,mostly up front and in basic wages and in effect gauranteed, even if they flopped.
That is hilarious to their agents and unprofessional of Stoke .
Even erling haaland has to accept a large part of his money, coming in bonuses for appearances, goals , thropies etc . And he really is a bona fide superstar.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 14, 2022 12:13:34 GMT
I agree At the end of day we paid 5 million for Robert huth and 12 million for xerdan shaquiri because they were top players, proven at the highest level... Chelsea , Germany, Bayern Munich, inter Milan, Switzerland. Winners at the highest level. We expected to pay top dollar and did . Fair enough, good players . As near as it gets , to superstars, at Stoke city. Then, lord knows why , paid out even more than that, for a punt on berahino and wimmer. With the money,mostly up front and in basic wages and in effect gauranteed, even if they flopped. That is hilarious to their agents and unprofessional of Stoke . Even erling haaland has to accept a large part of his money, coming in bonuses for appearances, goals , thropies etc . And he really is a bona fide superstar. Huth had just been relegated and had had serious injury problems over the past few years, that was by no means a sure thing.
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Post by uknorse on Oct 14, 2022 12:13:37 GMT
If that isn't the personification of irony, I dont know what is
:-)
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Post by uknorse on Oct 14, 2022 12:16:51 GMT
If that isn't the personification of irony, I dont know what is :-) In fact, how many loan clubs did he have while still on our payroll?..... were they all unprofessional too? There's a common denominator here Kevin old son :-)
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Post by callas12 on Apr 1, 2024 6:12:34 GMT
Out of all the crazy decision making our clubs made over the years this one for me just about eclipses every other. The signing of Kevin Wimmer on every level just didn't make any sense what so ever. The player himself with his questionable past especially lack of game time at Spurs, the price Stoke agreed and saw fit to pay for him & the length of contract we gave him! A permanent record etched in history of where our club had seriously lost the plot, & as it turned out to be, the beginning of the end for our Premier League status. Absolute amateurish behaviour, almost criminal, from whoever it was who ever signed this transfer off to its completion! As a mere football fan, I, as did many other Stoke & most likely Spurs fans just saw no sense in any part of this deal! For me, this was the epitome of the great ship Stoke City heading well and truely towards iceberg 😔😤! footballleagueworld.co.uk/tottenham-warning-enough-to-deter-stoke/
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 1, 2024 7:43:22 GMT
Out of all the crazy decision making our clubs made over the years this one for me just about eclipses every other. The signing of Kevin Wimmer on every level just didn't make any sense what so ever. The player himself with his questionable past especially lack of game time at Spurs, the price Stoke agreed and saw fit to pay for him & the length of contract we gave him! A permanent record etched in history of where our club had seriously lost the plot, & as it turned out to be, the beginning of the end for our Premier League status. Absolute amateurish behaviour, almost criminal, from whoever it was who ever signed this transfer off to its completion! As a mere football fan, I, as did many other Stoke & most likely Spurs fans just saw no sense in any part of this deal! For me, this was the epitome of the great ship Stoke City heading well and truely towards iceberg 😔😤! footballleagueworld.co.uk/tottenham-warning-enough-to-deter-stoke/I think I actually once read it was between Maguire and Wimmer and we went for Wimmer!? If so, that would be a criminal decision!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 1, 2024 8:58:13 GMT
Out of all the crazy decision making our clubs made over the years this one for me just about eclipses every other. The signing of Kevin Wimmer on every level just didn't make any sense what so ever. The player himself with his questionable past especially lack of game time at Spurs, the price Stoke agreed and saw fit to pay for him & the length of contract we gave him! A permanent record etched in history of where our club had seriously lost the plot, & as it turned out to be, the beginning of the end for our Premier League status. Absolute amateurish behaviour, almost criminal, from whoever it was who ever signed this transfer off to its completion! As a mere football fan, I, as did many other Stoke & most likely Spurs fans just saw no sense in any part of this deal! For me, this was the epitome of the great ship Stoke City heading well and truely towards iceberg 😔😤! footballleagueworld.co.uk/tottenham-warning-enough-to-deter-stoke/I think I actually once read it was between Maguire and Wimmer and we went for Wimmer!? If so, that would be a criminal decision! Hughes identified Maguire and Robertson both at Hull but they chose Leicester and Liverpool the latter was actually very close to coming
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Post by bloodtypered on Apr 1, 2024 9:14:14 GMT
Came fat, left fat.....thats unprofessional!!
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Post by lordb on Apr 1, 2024 9:15:53 GMT
I think I actually once read it was between Maguire and Wimmer and we went for Wimmer!? If so, that would be a criminal decision! Hughes identified Maguire and Robertson both at Hull but they chose Leicester and Liverpool the latter was actually very close to coming Robertson was supposedly in his car driving over to sign when his agent called saying Liverpool had come for him If that was true that's unlucky what wasn't unlucky is not having a second, third or 4th choice as well as the appalling transfers Hughes decision to go with wing backs without having any wingbacks was entirely on him
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Post by nottsover60 on Apr 1, 2024 9:24:08 GMT
Wasn't he bought in a panic when Harry Maguire chose to go to Leicester after we pursued him all summer? I always thought it was done to get one over on Pulis as WBA wanted him too. We didn't need another centre half either way, it was madness. Hughes really should have been long gone by that point. Yes that and the Berahino saga stank at the time of Hughes trying to get one over Pulis in their continuing vendatta. Pity he couldn't just concentrate on getting one over Pulis on the pitch by beating his team.
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Post by chumley on Apr 1, 2024 9:28:42 GMT
If he says the club are unprofessional then we must be , because he is the master of it so how could we argue, what a t***er. Pity he didn't say it while he was drawing his dollar $$$$$, be true to his thoughts and see what happened, but no wait til it's all in the bank. twat.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 1, 2024 9:32:44 GMT
Hughes identified Maguire and Robertson both at Hull but they chose Leicester and Liverpool the latter was actually very close to coming Robertson was supposedly in his car driving over to sign when his agent called saying Liverpool had come for him If that was true that's unlucky what wasn't unlucky is not having a second, third or 4th choice as well as the appalling transfers Hughes decision to go with wing backs without having any wingbacks was entirely on him We had Cedric Soares at the training ground one Summer and we thought he had signed but then we let him leave and the rest is history. I think we got Johnson instead which was a massive downgrade. The transfer policy made no sense. Like surely to God you have multiple targets of a similar sort of player? We went from one of the best up and coming full backs to an over the hill leggy idiot.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Apr 1, 2024 9:38:57 GMT
Came fat, left fat.....thats unprofessional!! In a nutshell right there.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 1, 2024 9:43:02 GMT
Out of all the crazy decision making our clubs made over the years this one for me just about eclipses every other. The signing of Kevin Wimmer on every level just didn't make any sense what so ever. The player himself with his questionable past especially lack of game time at Spurs, the price Stoke agreed and saw fit to pay for him & the length of contract we gave him! A permanent record etched in history of where our club had seriously lost the plot, & as it turned out to be, the beginning of the end for our Premier League status. Absolute amateurish behaviour, almost criminal, from whoever it was who ever signed this transfer off to its completion! As a mere football fan, I, as did many other Stoke & most likely Spurs fans just saw no sense in any part of this deal! For me, this was the epitome of the great ship Stoke City heading well and truely towards iceberg 😔😤! footballleagueworld.co.uk/tottenham-warning-enough-to-deter-stoke/Legend has it that Cartwright & Scholes were sat in the office scoffing pizzas late on deadline day when scholes faxed through the offer it should have been £1.8m but his thumb missed the dot. The mistake wasn’t realised until Hughes came in next day to say what a great addition and bargain we’d got. By then it was too late. Please god let this be true then at least it reduces the embarrassment somewhat.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 1, 2024 10:09:59 GMT
I think I actually once read it was between Maguire and Wimmer and we went for Wimmer!? If so, that would be a criminal decision! Hughes identified Maguire and Robertson both at Hull but they chose Leicester and Liverpool the latter was actually very close to coming Not as simple as that. I emailed the club about Andy Robertson long before he went to hull. I am sure we were interested him but not enough. We weren't in for him when he went Liverpool, he was out of our league then. When stoke were after Maguire, again I'm sure we wouldn't pay the extra few million so he went to Leicester? Does anyone recall what was being said at the time? Stokes failure has for a long time been to baulk at the cost of a wise investment, and to get a slightly cheaper investment without realizing they are usually more risky
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 1, 2024 10:17:21 GMT
Out of all the crazy decision making our clubs made over the years this one for me just about eclipses every other. The signing of Kevin Wimmer on every level just didn't make any sense what so ever. The player himself with his questionable past especially lack of game time at Spurs, the price Stoke agreed and saw fit to pay for him & the length of contract we gave him! A permanent record etched in history of where our club had seriously lost the plot, & as it turned out to be, the beginning of the end for our Premier League status. Absolute amateurish behaviour, almost criminal, from whoever it was who ever signed this transfer off to its completion! As a mere football fan, I, as did many other Stoke & most likely Spurs fans just saw no sense in any part of this deal! For me, this was the epitome of the great ship Stoke City heading well and truely towards iceberg 😔😤! footballleagueworld.co.uk/tottenham-warning-enough-to-deter-stoke/Why not just start a new thread instead of bringing back an enormous one from two years ago?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Apr 1, 2024 10:36:53 GMT
Hughes identified Maguire and Robertson both at Hull but they chose Leicester and Liverpool the latter was actually very close to coming Not as simple as that. I emailed the club about Andy Robertson long before he went to hull. I am sure we were interested him but not enough. We weren't in for him when he went Liverpool, he was out of our league then. When stoke were after Maguire, again I'm sure we wouldn't pay the extra few million so he went to Leicester? Does anyone recall what was being said at the time? Stokes failure has for a long time been to baulk at the cost of a wise investment, and to get a slightly cheaper investment without realizing they are usually more risky Robertsons and his agent both said he was on his way to stoke and they diverted to Liverpool due to a call , who knows is the answer bur we certainly saw both as improving us abd it didnt work out sadly for whatever reason. Lest we forget scholes was in charge of all things commercial at that time too .
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Apr 1, 2024 10:38:45 GMT
I think I actually once read it was between Maguire and Wimmer and we went for Wimmer!? If so, that would be a criminal decision! Hughes identified Maguire and Robertson both at Hull but they chose Leicester and Liverpool the latter was actually very close to coming That’s what I understood. We also took Tymon who was the other rated fullback at Hull when we didn’t get Robertson.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 1, 2024 11:40:59 GMT
Out of all the crazy decision making our clubs made over the years this one for me just about eclipses every other. The signing of Kevin Wimmer on every level just didn't make any sense what so ever. The player himself with his questionable past especially lack of game time at Spurs, the price Stoke agreed and saw fit to pay for him & the length of contract we gave him! A permanent record etched in history of where our club had seriously lost the plot, & as it turned out to be, the beginning of the end for our Premier League status. Absolute amateurish behaviour, almost criminal, from whoever it was who ever signed this transfer off to its completion! As a mere football fan, I, as did many other Stoke & most likely Spurs fans just saw no sense in any part of this deal! For me, this was the epitome of the great ship Stoke City heading well and truely towards iceberg 😔😤! footballleagueworld.co.uk/tottenham-warning-enough-to-deter-stoke/Why not just start a new thread instead of bringing back an enormous one from two years ago? Why? News on different topics comes around intermittently, it’s good practice to keep it all together
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Post by callas12 on Apr 1, 2024 12:00:26 GMT
Out of all the crazy decision making our clubs made over the years this one for me just about eclipses every other. The signing of Kevin Wimmer on every level just didn't make any sense what so ever. The player himself with his questionable past especially lack of game time at Spurs, the price Stoke agreed and saw fit to pay for him & the length of contract we gave him! A permanent record etched in history of where our club had seriously lost the plot, & as it turned out to be, the beginning of the end for our Premier League status. Absolute amateurish behaviour, almost criminal, from whoever it was who ever signed this transfer off to its completion! As a mere football fan, I, as did many other Stoke & most likely Spurs fans just saw no sense in any part of this deal! For me, this was the epitome of the great ship Stoke City heading well and truely towards iceberg 😔😤! footballleagueworld.co.uk/tottenham-warning-enough-to-deter-stoke/Why not just start a new thread instead of bringing back an enormous one from two years ago? As it was Wimmer related thought best to tag on to it. Didn't think Wimmer worthy of a fresh thread.
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Post by callas12 on Apr 1, 2024 12:11:29 GMT
I know one of the head recruitment guys from Hull & asked him a year or so back if Stoke were ever in for Robertson before he went to Liverpool & he just gave me a confused look & said Stoke were never in for him to his knowledge. This deal occurred just after he arrived at Hull but said he thinks he would have remembered if Robertson was ever linked to Stoke or Stoke bound. Make of that what you will.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 1, 2024 12:12:47 GMT
Was it Wimmer who was high fiving his ex-spurs team mates after a heavy defeat to them early in the season?
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Post by yellowsnowman on Apr 1, 2024 12:25:11 GMT
Wimmer was dog shit. A sloth would out pace him. As if we spent what we did on him and afew others. Jesus.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 1, 2024 12:41:58 GMT
Was it Wimmer who was high fiving his ex-spurs team mates after a heavy defeat to them early in the season? Yes, not content with laughing and joking with them on the Wembley pitch after we lost 4-0, he then took to Instagram to do a gushing post, complete with love hearts, about how delightful it was to see them all. Throbber
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 1, 2024 12:49:34 GMT
I think I actually once read it was between Maguire and Wimmer and we went for Wimmer!? If so, that would be a criminal decision! Hughes identified Maguire and Robertson both at Hull but they chose Leicester and Liverpool the latter was actually very close to coming I've actually heard an interview about this where Robertson said he chose Lpool because he thought he had a bigger chance of being first chouce there. He thought Pieters was so good that he wouldn't be a first choice at Stoke!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Apr 1, 2024 12:56:18 GMT
To be fair Riverside is a decent chippy. His personal trainer worked there, my guess
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