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Post by independent on Oct 4, 2022 15:10:58 GMT
AN has his chance and hopefully, will have plenty of cash to spend next June. He will also be free of the last of the big earners.Jagielka will be gone in January, freeing up more wages. The middle of next season is when any judgement of his reign can begin to be made. I hope he is not limited by FFP in June as we all thought that MON would have money to spend in the last window. In case you haven't noticed MON got 5 loan signings and 3 free transfers to rebuild the side, while lowering the wage bill.
Anyone heard a mention of Powell being offered a new contract by AN. His present deal ends in June as far as I Know. This time last year people on here were panicking about the matter. Just shows how priorities can change in a few months.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 15:16:13 GMT
AN has his chance and hopefully, will have plenty of cash to spend next June. He will also be free of the last of the big earners.Jagielka will be gone in January, freeing up more wages. The middle of next season is when any judgement of his reign can begin to be made. I hope he is not limited by FFP in June as we all thought that MON would have money to spend in the last window. In case you haven't noticed MON got 5 loan signings and 3 free transfers to rebuild the side, while lowering the wage bill. Anyone heard a mention of Powell being offered a new contract by AN. His present deal ends in June as far as I Know. This time last year people on here were panicking about the matter. Just shows how priorities can change in a few months. Those loans and at least one of those free transfers will have been fairly expensive though. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 15:16:36 GMT
AN has his chance and hopefully, will have plenty of cash to spend next June. He will also be free of the last of the big earners.Jagielka will be gone in January, freeing up more wages. The middle of next season is when any judgement of his reign can begin to be made. I hope he is not limited by FFP in June as we all thought that MON would have money to spend in the last window. In case you haven't noticed MON got 5 loan signings and 3 free transfers to rebuild the side, while lowering the wage bill. Anyone heard a mention of Powell being offered a new contract by AN. His present deal ends in June as far as I Know. This time last year people on here were panicking about the matter. Just shows how priorities can change in a few months. Of all the players due to leave at the end of the season only Powell and Bursik would be potential renewals I would guess (I can see both leaving) That would leave us the following squad for the 2023/24 campaign: Souttar Wilmott Taylor Thompson Laurent Baker Brown Wright-Phillips Campbell Gayle So plenty of scope for new faces and a fairly decent spine to work with. This season was always the last stage of the rebuild when the final big earners such as Clucas leave, as well as being a new start from a FFP perspective (I believe that's true but someone more informed would have to confirm) |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 15:19:16 GMT
AN has his chance and hopefully, will have plenty of cash to spend next June. He will also be free of the last of the big earners.Jagielka will be gone in January, freeing up more wages. The middle of next season is when any judgement of his reign can begin to be made. I hope he is not limited by FFP in June as we all thought that MON would have money to spend in the last window. In case you haven't noticed MON got 5 loan signings and 3 free transfers to rebuild the side, while lowering the wage bill. Anyone heard a mention of Powell being offered a new contract by AN. His present deal ends in June as far as I Know. This time last year people on here were panicking about the matter. Just shows how priorities can change in a few months. Those loans and at least one of those free transfers will have been fairly expensive though. My understanding with the Delap deal is the more he plays the less he costs (davejohnno could offer more insight on that), I can't imagine the other 5 being that expensive if I'm honest. Gayle is probably our biggest outlay in terms of wages by far (will probably be out highest earner if Powell and Clucas depart in the summer) |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 15:37:09 GMT
Those loans and at least one of those free transfers will have been fairly expensive though. My understanding with the Delap deal is the more he plays the less he costs (davejohnno could offer more insight on that), I can't imagine the other 5 being that expensive if I'm honest. Gayle is probably our biggest outlay in terms of wages by far (will probably be out highest earner if Powell and Clucas depart in the summer) I'd be surprised if the Premier League loans didn't carry a fee and/or decent outlay in terms of percentage of wages we're paying, especially since a few of them were fairly high profile ones where we beat other clubs to sign them. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 15:46:23 GMT
My understanding with the Delap deal is the more he plays the less he costs (davejohnno could offer more insight on that), I can't imagine the other 5 being that expensive if I'm honest. Gayle is probably our biggest outlay in terms of wages by far (will probably be out highest earner if Powell and Clucas depart in the summer) I'd be surprised if the Premier League loans didn't carry a fee and/or decent outlay in terms of percentage of wages we're paying, especially since a few of them were fairly high profile ones where we beat other clubs to sign them. Again my understanding is that game time for Delap is what gave us the nod over Burnley (not guaranteed game time but a financial incentive to make it happen, and obviously win win if he's scoring and playing well). I can't imagine Sterling and Clarke being on massive wages, Kilkenny, Smallbone and Fosu have had some Premier League exposure but are at clubs that would pay a lot less. A decent outlay but not extortionate........ |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 15:52:31 GMT
I'd be surprised if the Premier League loans didn't carry a fee and/or decent outlay in terms of percentage of wages we're paying, especially since a few of them were fairly high profile ones where we beat other clubs to sign them. Again my understanding is that game time for Delap is what gave us the nod over Burnley (not guaranteed game time but a financial incentive to make it happen, and obviously win win if he's scoring and playing well). I can't imagine Sterling and Clarke being on massive wages, Kilkenny, Smallbone and Fosu have had some Premier League exposure but are at clubs that would pay a lot less. A decent outlay but not extortionate........ Smallbone is considered a hot prospect though and other clubs wanted him and the same to perhaps a lesser degree with Sterling, so you'd think we'd have needed to demonstrate a bit more clout to get them over the line. I agree we're unlikely to be talking millions or Zouma-type loan fees but a decent outlay is significant given our situation and that hardly anybody in this division is paying huge fees post-covid. The notion posited by other posters that freebies and loans underline how little MON had to work with is misleading in my opinion. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 15:57:44 GMT
Again my understanding is that game time for Delap is what gave us the nod over Burnley (not guaranteed game time but a financial incentive to make it happen, and obviously win win if he's scoring and playing well). I can't imagine Sterling and Clarke being on massive wages, Kilkenny, Smallbone and Fosu have had some Premier League exposure but are at clubs that would pay a lot less. A decent outlay but not extortionate........ Smallbone is considered a hot prospect though and other clubs wanted him and the same to perhaps a lesser degree with Sterling, so you'd think we'd have needed to demonstrate a bit more clout to get them over the line. I agree we're unlikely to be talking millions or Zouma-type loan fees but a decent outlay is significant given our situation and that hardly anybody in this division is paying huge fees post-covid. The notion posited by other posters that freebies and loans underline how little MON had to work with is misleading in my opinion. Why do you think we used what money we had on 5 (now 6) loanees and not permanent signings? I can't imagine it was by choice you'd want your own players in first and foremost surely? My guess would be we missed out on quite a few of our main targets permanently, and/or that it was a directive with a view to use clearing the decks and having a fresh start from 2023/24.......... |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 16:08:22 GMT
Smallbone is considered a hot prospect though and other clubs wanted him and the same to perhaps a lesser degree with Sterling, so you'd think we'd have needed to demonstrate a bit more clout to get them over the line. I agree we're unlikely to be talking millions or Zouma-type loan fees but a decent outlay is significant given our situation and that hardly anybody in this division is paying huge fees post-covid. The notion posited by other posters that freebies and loans underline how little MON had to work with is misleading in my opinion. Why do you think we used what money we had on 5 (now 6) loanees and not permanent signings? I can't imagine it was by choice you'd want your own players in first and foremost surely? My guess would be we missed out on quite a few of our main targets permanently, and/or that it was a directive with a view to use clearing the decks and having a fresh start from 2023/24.......... Likely because we didn't weren't in a position to pay fees for 5/6 permanent signings - just like most of the division. That's still not stopped us though from bringing in highly rated loans from Premier League clubs coveted by other clubs in the league... or paying Gayle a decent-sized wage that other clubs in the league couldn't get near. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 16:09:23 GMT
Why do you think we used what money we had on 5 (now 6) loanees and not permanent signings? I can't imagine it was by choice you'd want your own players in first and foremost surely? My guess would be we missed out on quite a few of our main targets permanently, and/or that it was a directive with a view to use clearing the decks and having a fresh start from 2023/24.......... Likely because we didn't weren't in a position to pay fees for 5/6 permanent signings - just like most of the division. That's still not stopped us though from bringing in highly rated loans from Premier League clubs coveted by other clubs in the league... or paying Gayle a decent-sized wage that other clubs in the league couldn't get near. Should be easy enough for Neil to get a tune out of them then I suppose  |
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Post by bloodtypered on Oct 4, 2022 16:12:11 GMT
Alot different....for the better
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 16:14:02 GMT
Likely because we didn't weren't in a position to pay fees for 5/6 permanent signings - just like most of the division. That's still not stopped us though from bringing in highly rated loans from Premier League clubs coveted by other clubs in the league... or paying Gayle a decent-sized wage that other clubs in the league couldn't get near. Should be easy enough for Neil to get a tune out of them then I suppose If he can assemble them into some kind of workable, coherent system, absolutely. That's the bit his predecessor struggled with.  |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 16:16:11 GMT
Alot different....for the better You were calling anyone who didn't believe in MON pathetic two days before he was sacked. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 16:18:57 GMT
Should be easy enough for Neil to get a tune out of them then I suppose If he can assemble them into some kind of workable, coherent system, absolutely. That's the bit his predecessor struggled with. He only only had 5 games with the aforementioned signings same as Neill has had, and both have been/are hampered massively with injuries yet again. I truly look forward to seeing it happen though, let's hope Saturday was a blip and that the man who prefers 4 at the back will soon move to 4 at the back............. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 16:21:16 GMT
If he can assemble them into some kind of workable, coherent system, absolutely. That's the bit his predecessor struggled with. He only only had 5 games with the aforementioned signings same as Neill has had, and both have been/are hampered massively with injuries yet again. I truly look forward to seeing it happen though, let's hope Saturday was a blip and that the man who prefers 4 at the back will soon move to 4 at the back............. Neil has a completely new set of players to work with from scratch, a grand total of one of whom he signed. O'Neill had his existing charges plus the signings he himself brought in and thus should have had a plan for. I'm underwhelmed with Neil's start too, but let's not compare apples with oranges. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 16:27:14 GMT
He only only had 5 games with the aforementioned signings same as Neill has had, and both have been/are hampered massively with injuries yet again. I truly look forward to seeing it happen though, let's hope Saturday was a blip and that the man who prefers 4 at the back will soon move to 4 at the back............. Neil has a completely new set of players to work with from scratch, a grand total of one of whom he signed. O'Neill had his existing charges plus the signings he himself brought in and thus should have had a plan for. I'm underwhelmed with Neil's start too, but let's not compare apples with oranges. I'm guessing he brought the right wing back in though, so chose to utilise his one transfer in that way. I'm not trying to compare anything, I'm just waiting and hoping that all the positivity around intensity, fitness, mentality, pragmatism around systems, bravery with substitutions start to translate into results........... |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 16:37:40 GMT
Neil has a completely new set of players to work with from scratch, a grand total of one of whom he signed. O'Neill had his existing charges plus the signings he himself brought in and thus should have had a plan for. I'm underwhelmed with Neil's start too, but let's not compare apples with oranges. I'm guessing he brought the right wing back in though, so chose to utilise his one transfer in that way. I'm not trying to compare anything, I'm just waiting and hoping that all the positivity around intensity, fitness, mentality, pragmatism around systems, bravery with substitutions start to translate into results........... He will have done I’m sure, but his five games and MON’s five games is still not really a fair equation. I’m hoping so too. I was happy with the appointment and have been disappointed thus far. I’m hoping what a few Sunderland fans said about it clicking fairly suddenly after a ropey start is true. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 16:45:52 GMT
I'm guessing he brought the right wing back in though, so chose to utilise his one transfer in that way. I'm not trying to compare anything, I'm just waiting and hoping that all the positivity around intensity, fitness, mentality, pragmatism around systems, bravery with substitutions start to translate into results........... He will have done I’m sure, but his five games and MON’s five games is still not really a fair equation. I’m hoping so too. I was happy with the appointment and have been disappointed thus far. I’m hoping what a few Sunderland fans said about it clicking fairly suddenly after a ropey start is true. My gut feeling is if we can get Clarke and Tymon back on the pitch quickly, followed by Powell and Souttar we'll be more than fine. But I stand by that I think that would have been the case if MON had them at his disposal as well. We'll be fine under Neil going forward though, I just hope we can keep churning out the odd win in the mean time as I'd rather not be going into Xmas looking down at the relegation places...... |
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Post by thepottypotter on Oct 4, 2022 16:54:11 GMT
Blokes been here for 5 games ffs. In Watfords world, that’s a long term appointment.  |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 4, 2022 16:55:19 GMT
He will have done I’m sure, but his five games and MON’s five games is still not really a fair equation. I’m hoping so too. I was happy with the appointment and have been disappointed thus far. I’m hoping what a few Sunderland fans said about it clicking fairly suddenly after a ropey start is true. My gut feeling is if we can get Clarke and Tymon back on the pitch quickly, followed by Powell and Souttar we'll be more than fine. But I stand by that I think that would have been the case if MON had them at his disposal as well. We'll be fine under Neil going forward though, I just hope we can keep churning out the odd win in the mean time as I'd rather not be going into Xmas looking down at the relegation places...... We should have a plan for if we can’t get them on the pitch though. It seems mad to persist with that plan with players who aren’t suited to it and even with them fit I’d be worried about playing a high line with the centre backs we’ve got. His assertion there was no way we could possibly play with a back four was bizarre and it’s equally odd that AN seems to think the same. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 4, 2022 16:59:28 GMT
My gut feeling is if we can get Clarke and Tymon back on the pitch quickly, followed by Powell and Souttar we'll be more than fine. But I stand by that I think that would have been the case if MON had them at his disposal as well. We'll be fine under Neil going forward though, I just hope we can keep churning out the odd win in the mean time as I'd rather not be going into Xmas looking down at the relegation places...... We should have a plan for if we can’t get them on the pitch though. It seems mad to persist with that plan with players who aren’t suited to it and even with them fit I’d be worried about playing a high line with the centre backs we’ve got. His assertion there was no way we could possibly play with a back four was bizarre and it’s equally odd that AN seems to think the same. If he really wants to persist with a back three I'd suggest he plays Clarke on the right and Wilmott on the left, with Taylor/Jagielka/Flint in the middle......... |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 4, 2022 17:06:08 GMT
They were warned at the time , yet the excuses for Laurent are already well versed our midfield minus Allen and sawyers is Miles weaker and that’s been the issue celebrating departures without regard for the fact we are 99% sure to replace them with infinitely less capable He was and is dogshit. Even if your right , which you aren’t according to some very experienced respected managers ,Whatever’s worse then dog shit we’ve replace. Him with it |
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Post by pottersrule on Oct 4, 2022 22:58:16 GMT
Wing back is Sterlings favoured position,but his lack of game time was obvious. He's more of a right back/RWB than a left-sided one though. He's played there before but not that often and not his best position. Yes your correct.He is right footed and it was glaringly obvious on Saturday as he kept cutting inside his man.He alluded to the fact that rwb was his favoured position when he signed for us.Havent got a clue if it's his best position though. |
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Post by knype on Oct 5, 2022 6:40:27 GMT
Neil has a completely new set of players to work with from scratch, a grand total of one of whom he signed. O'Neill had his existing charges plus the signings he himself brought in and thus should have had a plan for. I'm underwhelmed with Neil's start too, but let's not compare apples with oranges. I'm guessing he brought the right wing back in though, so chose to utilise his one transfer in that way. I'm not trying to compare anything, I'm just waiting and hoping that all the positivity around intensity, fitness, mentality, pragmatism around systems, bravery with substitutions start to translate into results........... That was because the other options at that time were injured? |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 5, 2022 7:28:41 GMT
I'm guessing he brought the right wing back in though, so chose to utilise his one transfer in that way. I'm not trying to compare anything, I'm just waiting and hoping that all the positivity around intensity, fitness, mentality, pragmatism around systems, bravery with substitutions start to translate into results........... That was because the other options at that time were injured? So a season long loan to cover a player (Clarke) out for a few more weeks? Seems extreme……. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2022 7:30:03 GMT
That was because the other options at that time were injured? So a season long loan to cover a player (Clarke) out for a few more weeks? Seems extreme……. Not really, given the alternatives... |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 5, 2022 7:43:34 GMT
So a season long loan to cover a player (Clarke) out for a few more weeks? Seems extreme……. Not really, given the alternatives... And now we have no left wing back and 2 right wing backs. The joys of being a football manager……. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Oct 5, 2022 8:12:42 GMT
Not really, given the alternatives... And now we have no left wing back and 2 right wing backs. The joys of being a football manager……. Indeed. The much-needed left wing back competition the previous manager brought in is lighting up the Sentinel Cup at least... |
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Post by LGH87 on Oct 5, 2022 8:32:58 GMT
Where is MON?
Anybody else find it weird he's not done any TV, Radio or Newspaper interviews etc?
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Post by callas12 on Oct 5, 2022 8:53:09 GMT
Take the O' out & there's a subtle but noticeable difference! 😉🤣
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