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Post by stokiedan17 on Oct 2, 2022 12:52:09 GMT
Not seen anything from this new manager to make me think he’s any better than O’Neil…
All we’ve managed to do is lose more possession and run around a bit more. At least we controlled the game more under O’Neil.
We need to sod off this 5 at the back and he needs to bench Delap or this Neil will end up the same way as O’Neil.
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Post by skiptomylou on Oct 2, 2022 12:56:30 GMT
What a fucking stupid comment! Delap is the 2nd coming of christ/allah/ and fucking mother Teresa.
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 2, 2022 12:56:47 GMT
I was fucking delighted when O'Neil went and delighted when Neil came but that was as a big a tribute act to the former clown as you are ever likely to see.
Complete, utter, indefensible, wank!
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Post by gawa on Oct 2, 2022 12:56:53 GMT
It's much worse in my opinion. Aside from beating a Hull side which is losing to everyone we've been shit.
Dean Holden should have been given a chance.
Terrible appointment. No doubt it will be someone's fault aside from AN, as is the case in every interview so far.
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Post by wuzza on Oct 2, 2022 12:58:21 GMT
Same old same old.
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Post by skiptomylou on Oct 2, 2022 12:58:31 GMT
We're the best ever football club to be top 6 potential with 2 strikers never to score goals!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 2, 2022 12:59:01 GMT
If the people that criticised MON for team selection, formation and
use of substitutes don’t criticise Neil today then it’s baffling. To not make a substitution until we went 2-0 down and then bring on a couple of like for like players was poor.
What happened to the Alex Neill that made changes then other week as Sunderland manager maybe we all just need to accept the club is jinxed and be happy? :-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2022 12:59:24 GMT
You’re all forgetting AN didn’t have infinite xfer windows to build this shower of shit.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Oct 2, 2022 12:59:42 GMT
Not a jot. If anything slightly worse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2022 13:01:19 GMT
We haven't made a single suitable appointment since Hughes.
There was one manager there today who's up to the job and he wasn't in our dugout...
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 2, 2022 13:02:47 GMT
Utter utter toss.
Is that our heaviest home defeat in Champo?
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Post by xchpotter on Oct 2, 2022 13:08:51 GMT
Much prefer AN to MON who had plenty of time and resources given him to produce one of the most unbalanced and unprofessional squads you will see in football. AN only has what he’s been shafted with and it’s hard to work with a pile of shite. If it’s the same in twelve months then fair enough, but to suggest we were any better under MON is codswallop.
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 2, 2022 13:11:06 GMT
AN definitely isn't covering himself in glory, that's for sure.
Unfortunately he's working with the previous man's clueless rebuild, which certainly isn't proving to be anything other than an act of vandalism as things currently stand, but none the less it's hard to see anything other than a long season ahead.
The owners simply leave everything too late and it's been the bane of the club for many seasons now.
It's hard to see how things can change for the better other than pure luck given the club suffer a lack of vision that comes right from the top.
Depressing!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 2, 2022 13:11:53 GMT
Much prefer AN to MON who had plenty of time and resources given him to produce one of the most unbalanced and unprofessional squads you will see in football. AN only has what he’s been shafted with and it’s hard to work with a pile of shite. If it’s the same in twelve months then fair enough, but to suggest we were any better under MON is codswallop. Don’t disagree, but the imbalance that want addressed by MON wasn’t addressed by AN either, he chose to play two players out of position at wing back…… |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Oct 2, 2022 13:12:08 GMT
Much prefer AN to MON who had plenty of time and resources given him to produce one of the most unbalanced and unprofessional squads you will see in football. AN only has what he’s been shafted with and it’s hard to work with a pile of shite. If it’s the same in twelve months then fair enough, but to suggest we were any better under MON is codswallop. Don’t disagree, but the imbalance that wasn’t addressed by MON wasn’t addressed today by AN either, he chose to play two players out of position at wing back…… |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Oct 2, 2022 13:12:14 GMT
It would take better managers than AN to get these players that MON assembled to play decent football.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2022 13:12:39 GMT
What chance does any stoke manager have with this lot coming up against quality like Watford have?
Did Watford spend 50mill on relegation on clucas, afobe, Ryan woods? No they have real quality.
We're stuck here forever, we can't compete against recently relegated teams.
No point blaming the current manager.
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 2, 2022 13:13:43 GMT
It's much worse in my opinion. Aside from beating a Hull side which is losing to everyone we've been shit. Dean Holden should have been given a chance. Terrible appointment. No doubt it will be someone's fault aside from AN, as is the case in every interview so far. Of course, it would be wrong to fail to point out that he was unable to put a fit senior central midfielder on the bench and had a half fit one on the pitch because O'Neill's pre-season fitness regime and O'Neill's fitness team have left us with a squad of mostly injured players that's not fit enough for second division football. Or that O'Neill's three centre backs each had a shocker today. Or that O'Neill's midfield were invisible for much of the game. Or that O'Neill went into the season with a goalkeeping stable of Bursik, Bonham and Fielding. Neil is working with what he's got, but it's going to take months to sort out the wreckage he was left with. I wouldn't normally pile into a former manager like that, but I think you're unfairly attacking our manager because he's replaced your manager. There's a time and a place for that kind of gloating and it isn't the hour after a dreadful performance. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 2, 2022 13:15:36 GMT
What chance does any stoke manager have with this lot coming up against quality like Watford have? Did Watford spend 50mill on relegation on clucas, afobe, Ryan woods? No they have real quality. We're stuck here forever, we can't compete against recently relegated teams. No point blaming the current manager. I thought they were average at best and that's why it's so embarrassing to get fucking dry humped by them. |
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Post by David Brent on Oct 2, 2022 13:16:27 GMT
You’re all forgetting AN didn’t have infinite xfer windows to build this shower of shit. But again he’s picking the same formation. You’re going to get the same results |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2022 13:17:06 GMT
What chance does any stoke manager have with this lot coming up against quality like Watford have? Did Watford spend 50mill on relegation on clucas, afobe, Ryan woods? No they have real quality. We're stuck here forever, we can't compete against recently relegated teams. No point blaming the current manager. I thought they were average at best and that's why it's so embarrassing to get fucking dry humped by them. They'll go up. All we had to do when we came down was spend the money on pace and power. Guarantees promotion in this league. We have never had that since we came down |
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Post by gawa on Oct 2, 2022 13:17:20 GMT
What's more concerning are the fans which continually don't hold Alex Neil to account.
1 win in 5. (against a side with 5 losses in 5)
MON was rightly sacked for not getting the best out of an under performing squad which we know is capable of much more.
Let's not pretend the players are now shit.
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 2, 2022 13:18:17 GMT
Much prefer AN to MON who had plenty of time and resources given him to produce one of the most unbalanced and unprofessional squads you will see in football. AN only has what he’s been shafted with and it’s hard to work with a pile of shite. If it’s the same in twelve months then fair enough, but to suggest we were any better under MON is codswallop. Don’t disagree, but the imbalance that want addressed by MON wasn’t addressed by AN either, he chose to play two players out of position at wing back…… Yeah I’m struggling to see what he did today that was different. Wrong players, wrong shape and crap use of subs. You can say it was MoN’s squad but as far as what’s going on on the pitch, it’s pretty much the same if not worse. |
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Post by butlerstbob on Oct 2, 2022 13:19:54 GMT
What's more concerning are the fans which continually don't hold Alex Neil to account. 1 win in 5. (against a side with 5 losses in 5) MON was rightly sacked for not getting the best out of an under performing squad which we know is capable of much more. Let's not pretend the players are now shit. The players are shit, they were shit when your man MON was here too... He has left us in an awful position, unconditioned and bloody awful squad! |
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Post by thewonderstuff on Oct 2, 2022 13:20:32 GMT
I thought they were average at best and that's why it's so embarrassing to get fucking dry humped by them. They'll go up. All we had to do when we came down was spend the money on pace and power. Guarantees promotion in this league. We have never had that since we came down Agree with your second point entirely but they really aren't that good. A side anywhere near well prepared and set up today would have given them a right game. |
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Post by iglugluk on Oct 2, 2022 13:20:58 GMT
What's more concerning are the fans which continually don't hold Alex Neil to account. 1 win in 5. (against a side with 5 losses in 5) MON was rightly sacked for not getting the best out of an under performing squad which we know is capable of much more. Let's not pretend the players are now shit. What's more worrying is our League position right now and the lack of good enough players brought into key positions. We are in a mess and it started long before the current manager arrived.. or before the last one for that matter! The club is lacking in a clear vision from the top. |
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2022 13:21:02 GMT
It's much worse in my opinion. Aside from beating a Hull side which is losing to everyone we've been shit. Dean Holden should have been given a chance. Terrible appointment. No doubt it will be someone's fault aside from AN, as is the case in every interview so far. Of course, it would be wrong to fail to point out that he was unable to put a fit senior central midfielder on the bench and had a half fit one on the pitch because O'Neill's pre-season fitness regime and O'Neill's fitness team have left us with a squad of mostly injured players that's not fit enough for second division football. Or that O'Neill's three centre backs each had a shocker today. Or that O'Neill's midfield were invisible for much of the game. Or that O'Neill went into the season with a goalkeeping stable of Bursik, Bonham and Fielding. Neil is working with what he's got, but it's going to take months to sort out the wreckage he was left with. I wouldn't normally pile into a former manager like that, but I think you're unfairly attacking our manager because he's replaced your manager. There's a time and a place for that kind of gloating and it isn't the hour after a dreadful performance. Excellently put. O’Neill spent 3 years building this house without paying attention to the foundations and structure. Neil has come in and put down some carpets. Now the house has fallen down. Whose fault is that? |
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Post by onionman on Oct 2, 2022 13:22:29 GMT
What's more concerning are the fans which continually don't hold Alex Neil to account. 1 win in 5. (against a side with 5 losses in 5) MON was rightly sacked for not getting the best out of an under performing squad which we know is capable of much more. Let's not pretend the players are now shit. Or - O’Neill was rightly sacked for building a god awful squad with gaping holes in key areas that are going to take a huge amount of work to fix for any manager. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Oct 2, 2022 13:27:09 GMT
Shambles. Could have been any home game from the last year
A hopelessly unbalanced squad. The slowest defence in the league playing high, a winger and a full-back playing on the wrong side asked to provide the width. It's barmy.
Most of the loans look ill-judged. The defence is a car crash on paper and increasingly on grass.
What's Smallbone for? A floaty non-entity.
There's no argument for playing a back 5 with that group of players to choose from. You can just about make a fig leaf of a case when Tymon's firing and you want to justify the Gayle outlay and not consign him to the periphery.
But you've just got to keep it simple with Fox at LB, any three we can field in midfield and Campbell on the right
Worrying.
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Post by biddulphchav on Oct 2, 2022 13:32:59 GMT
Shambles. Could have been any home game from the last year A hopelessly unbalanced squad. The slowest defence in the league playing high, a winger and a full-back playing on the wrong side asked to provide the width. It's barmy. Most of the loans look ill-judged. The defence is a car crash on paper and increasingly on grass. What's Smallbone for? A floaty non-entity. There's no argument for playing a back 5 with that group of players to choose from. You can just about make a fig leaf of a case when Tymon's firing and you want to justify the Gayle outlay and not consign him to the periphery. But you've just got to keep it simple with Fox at LB, any three we can field in midfield and Campbell on the right Worrying. 100%, why play 4 players out of position when you can play 1? He’s seen how this formation hasn’t worked for us, and doesn’t have to justify persisting with it because he signed players for it. That was a worrying performance because it was not only shit in terms of the way we played but also because it looked to me like a fair few of those players weren’t really trying |
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