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Post by smallthorner on Mar 4, 2023 19:55:46 GMT
So many mistakes made in Stoke , with the town , the football ground , the transport infrastructure , everything , its nigh on impossible to know where to start . Unlike Amsterdam ( the area around Dam Square) or even Manchester , there is no actual town centre . If the planners had said right we are going to clear this land around stoke station ( train links to london , birmingham ,manchester etc ) , we are going to put a new football ground next to it , with a big concourse surround , partially covered ( roofed) which will have a big ( by stoke standards ) market ( with super cheap stalls just to get the traders in )for all sort of non supermarket stuff ( records , farm fresh foods , designer whatever) on non match days , we will have a mixture of wetherspoons / costa coffee big places and some smaller ones. Hand out some music licences , encourage busking , street entertainment, put the cinema / ten pin bowling here , get everyone into this one hub . Make this actual hub a profitable place to trade and a nice place to visit and then over decades try and help the nearest surrounding areas . You would have something ( a vibrant hub ) to build off , somewhere to start from . We have the total opposite , out of town this , out of that ,increasingly bewildered stokies going fxck it , its all to complicated , i am just going to order a load of stuff online and they can deliver it to my door. It's a total mess . Of course , we need solutions , not diagnosis of the problem . But it really is a mess . It's going to be a massive job to even begin to sort the problem out . Yes. It is a mess. But I'm afraid that it's a problem that we can never solve. Six disjointed towns with no real "centre" The annoying thing is that the area had a train(tram)loopline that today would be an absolute game changer. As regards the stadium it was a decision made at the time out of necessity and probably good intentions. The sad thing is that each of the individual towns seem to be in terminal decline. Take a walk/ride from porthill a500 roundabout up to Burslem Town centre and it says everything.
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Post by SuperRickyFuller on Mar 4, 2023 20:09:25 GMT
Mate, give it up. You're talking out of your arse. and people wonder why the city is wank, absolutely no ambition or vision. Only in stoke. It’s fuckin embarrassing. I’m embarrassed to live here Reading your constant pie in the sky bollocks is embarrassing.
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Post by onepara on Mar 4, 2023 20:21:42 GMT
Any available ground that we have in the area is used to build sheds on. Have a look around Goldenhill/ Sandyford. It's the Councils first option. Quick & easy. No housing issues, no shops, no rents to collect, no repairs, toilets etc. Call me a sceptic, but that's how they work. Get rid of the public toilets, then they don't have to have someone cleaning them. Say that they are being used as drug dens. Oh, & pulling down any building of character, & destroying works of art. Don't want the upkeep. Don't expect them to have any vision.
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Post by smallthorner on Mar 4, 2023 20:34:00 GMT
Any available ground that we have in the area is used to build sheds on. Have a look around Goldenhill/ Sandyford. It's the Councils first option. Quick & easy. No housing issues, no shops, no rents to collect, no repairs, toilets etc. Call me a sceptic, but that's how they work. Get rid of the public toilets, then they don't have to have someone cleaning them. Say that they are being used as drug dens. Oh, & pulling down any building of character, & destroying works of art. Don't want the upkeep. Don't expect them to have any vision. In a broader sense the city has become a giant warehouse hub. Look at the new festival/wolstanton development. As soon as they built the new A50 the writing was on the wall. A link between M1 and M6 with sheds and warehouses galore stretching from longton to Tunstall. A city based and founded on manufacturing that sadly now has next to no manufacturing. Unless some high tech manufacturing or a commercial hub is introduced into the area then I'm afraid things are not going to get much better.
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 4, 2023 20:35:03 GMT
The Coates’ should just buy 1,000 houses, level them, and build a new stadium. This is the best thing I’ve ever read on here, and boy there’s some stiff competition. 😂
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Post by onepara on Mar 4, 2023 20:42:41 GMT
Any available ground that we have in the area is used to build sheds on. Have a look around Goldenhill/ Sandyford. It's the Councils first option. Quick & easy. No housing issues, no shops, no rents to collect, no repairs, toilets etc. Call me a sceptic, but that's how they work. Get rid of the public toilets, then they don't have to have someone cleaning them. Say that they are being used as drug dens. Oh, & pulling down any building of character, & destroying works of art. Don't want the upkeep. Don't expect them to have any vision. In a broader sense the city has become a giant warehouse hub. Look at the new festival/wolstanton development. As soon as they built the new A50 the writing was on the wall. A link between M1 and M6 with sheds and warehouses galore stretching from longton to Tunstall. A city based and founded on manufacturing that sadly now has next to no manufacturing. Unless some high tech manufacturing or a commercial hub is introduced into the area then I'm afraid things are not going to get much better. There won't be any ground left, though. I live in Kidsgrove, & all of the ground alongside the D road is being given over to sheds. I was hoping that some Company who employed thousands, would move into the area. But all of the building ground is going. To sheds. They're at it now as you go up Peacock Hay. Some of the money for the ground to be developed, is coming I believe, from Government money that was allocated to regenerate Kidsgrove.
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Post by onepara on Mar 4, 2023 20:44:55 GMT
There won't be any ground left, though. I live in Kidsgrove, & all of the ground alongside the D road is being given over to sheds. I was hoping that some Company who employed thousands, would move into the area. But all of the building ground is going. To sheds. They're at it now as you go up Peacock Hay. Some of the money for the ground to be developed, is coming I believe, from Government money that was allocated to regenerate Kidsgrove.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 4, 2023 20:47:38 GMT
What about a monorail similar to Alton Towers, no need to interfere with road system as it would be above roads starting point e.g. Stoke train station and finishing at or near the stadium funded by the Coates family and just running on matchdays? If we're going down the Alton Towers route, why don't we make a haunted house-type rollercoaster from the station to the ground. You can have the likes of Tony Scholes jumping out at you and asking "What's all the fuss about?", with a background noise of Gary Rowett saying Bojan is shit. The opportunities are endless, with Nick Powell scaring the shit out of people dressed as a mummy covered in bandages, or Nathan Jones beating his chest before ripping his own heart out and saying "I could've stayed in Wales!". Not forgetting the ghost of a thousands souls who had their houses bulldozed to make way for a new club shop.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 4, 2023 20:48:11 GMT
Any available ground that we have in the area is used to build sheds on. Have a look around Goldenhill/ Sandyford. It's the Councils first option. Quick & easy. No housing issues, no shops, no rents to collect, no repairs, toilets etc. Call me a sceptic, but that's how they work. Get rid of the public toilets, then they don't have to have someone cleaning them. Say that they are being used as drug dens. Oh, & pulling down any building of character, & destroying works of art. Don't want the upkeep. Don't expect them to have any vision. In a broader sense the city has become a giant warehouse hub. Look at the new festival/wolstanton development. As soon as they built the new A50 the writing was on the wall. A link between M1 and M6 with sheds and warehouses galore stretching from longton to Tunstall. A city based and founded on manufacturing that sadly now has next to no manufacturing. Unless some high tech manufacturing or a commercial hub is introduced into the area then I'm afraid things are not going to get much better. and check out who was/is the prime developer from Blythe Bridge through to Etruria Valley. I wonder if, and how many palms have been greased to create/develop probably the most central N/E/W/S land infrastructure road links in the UK? It would/will be interesting to establish the level of job creation and added value for this City and it’s home grown population in 10 years time.
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Post by Gunslinger on Mar 4, 2023 21:27:34 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Mar 5, 2023 14:12:16 GMT
This was proposed only last autumn and could still be on the cards possibly. I'm sure something like this could include the stadium area on match days. The only problem I see is the inertia of the local councils and or population and a rocket up arses would solve that!
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Post by suck_the_mop. on Mar 5, 2023 14:26:55 GMT
In a broader sense the city has become a giant warehouse hub. Look at the new festival/wolstanton development. As soon as they built the new A50 the writing was on the wall. A link between M1 and M6 with sheds and warehouses galore stretching from longton to Tunstall. A city based and founded on manufacturing that sadly now has next to no manufacturing. Unless some high tech manufacturing or a commercial hub is introduced into the area then I'm afraid things are not going to get much better. and check out who was/is the prime developer from Blythe Bridge through to Etruria Valley. I wonder if, and how many palms have been greased to create/develop probably the most central N/E/W/S land infrastructure road links in the UK? It would/will be interesting to establish the level of job creation and added value for this City and it’s home grown population in 10 years time. Only reason that new festival link road was built so they could chuck up more sweatshop warehouses...
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Post by banksy1art on Mar 5, 2023 16:00:26 GMT
The Coates’ should just buy 1,000 houses, level them, and build a new stadium. This is the best thing I’ve ever read on here, and boy there’s some stiff competition. 😂 Been done before, don’t get why it can’t again? The attention seeking ‘humor’ on here is strange.
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Post by Davef on Mar 5, 2023 16:36:51 GMT
The Coates’ should just buy 1,000 houses, level them, and build a new stadium. This is the best thing I’ve ever read on here, and boy there’s some stiff competition. 😂 Been done before, don’t get why it can’t again? The attention seeking ‘humor’ on here is strange. When has it been done before?
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Post by scfc75 on Mar 5, 2023 16:46:10 GMT
The Coates’ should just buy 1,000 houses, level them, and build a new stadium. This is the best thing I’ve ever read on here, and boy there’s some stiff competition. 😂 Been done before, don’t get why it can’t again? The attention seeking ‘humor’ on here is strange. A club with a functioning stadium that they only built 25 years earlier, have purchased 1,000 houses a few miles down the road, bulldozed them, and built another new stadium? Refresh my memory…
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Post by soulsurvivor on Apr 2, 2023 6:59:23 GMT
Went to Coventry yesterday on the train, the station is right by the ground, just what we need I hear people say! Should have been perfect? I should theoretically been back in Stafford by 6.30 for a beer? What a shambles, trains only every 45 mins! First one was 5.15 missed it, the police sent us the wrong place! Train people said the next one may be late, ended up queueing for a bus and the driver wouldn't go without police help. Finally got to Coventry main station after a mystery tour on another bus then a 15 min walk and in stafford by 8. 15? I fear this may be the mess we would get then potential trouble from frustrated fans. Stick with buses but more of them
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Post by walrus on Apr 2, 2023 7:12:12 GMT
Went to Coventry yesterday on the train, the station is right by the ground, just what we need I hear people say! Should have been perfect? I should theoretically been back in Stafford by 6.30 for a beer? What a shambles, trains only every 45 mins! First one was 5.15 missed it, the police sent us the wrong place! Train people said the next one may be late, ended up queueing for a bus and the driver wouldn't go without police help. Finally got to Coventry main station after a mystery tour on another bus then a 15 min walk and in stafford by 8. 15? I fear this may be the mess we would get then potential trouble from frustrated fans. Stick with buses but more of them Worth noting though that Coventry’s ground is over four miles from the main station. Too far for most people to walk if something goes wrong with the trains.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 2, 2023 8:02:04 GMT
Coventry is in the process of installing Very Light Rail across the city, including up to the CBS, so that might help with issues like this in future.
Perhaps something the conurbation of S-o-T would benefit from. Imagine decent VLR links between the six towns.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 2, 2023 8:15:50 GMT
The cheapest and easiest way is a organised park and ride system, strategically placed hubs around the outskirts of the city working alongside the city bus system would remove hundreds of cars, e.g by utilising Knypersley Cricket club which would be out of season for cricket you are catering for :- Congleton, Biddulph, MowCop, knypersley, etc. One Coach would take a average 20 cars away from the ground, But the club and the fans are going to have to alter their match day culture, fans will need to arrive for matches earlier so the club will have to provide better pre match entertainment and cheaper and varied catering. And a bus link from the railway station- surely our current shuttle buses ( or every other one) could include a station drop off which would encourage less car travel
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Post by banksy1art on Apr 2, 2023 9:20:11 GMT
Went to Coventry yesterday on the train, the station is right by the ground, just what we need I hear people say! Should have been perfect? I should theoretically been back in Stafford by 6.30 for a beer? What a shambles, trains only every 45 mins! First one was 5.15 missed it, the police sent us the wrong place! Train people said the next one may be late, ended up queueing for a bus and the driver wouldn't go without police help. Finally got to Coventry main station after a mystery tour on another bus then a 15 min walk and in stafford by 8. 15? I fear this may be the mess we would get then potential trouble from frustrated fans. Stick with buses but more of them that’s like saying we shouldn’t build a road because the one you used was full of potholes
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2023 9:23:55 GMT
Coventry is in the process of installing Very Light Rail across the city, including up to the CBS, so that might help with issues like this in future. Perhaps something the conurbation of S-o-T would benefit from. Imagine decent VLR links between the six towns. Imagine any govt spending that money on us We've been talking about this for 40 years
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 2, 2023 9:52:03 GMT
Coventry is in the process of installing Very Light Rail across the city, including up to the CBS, so that might help with issues like this in future. Perhaps something the conurbation of S-o-T would benefit from. Imagine decent VLR links between the six towns. Imagine any govt spending that money on us We've been talking about this for 40 years I remember well all the Sentinel stories generated by the Council over the years. I think the most memorable one being Councillor Andy Platt pontificating about the introduction of a City wide tram system. Beeching fucked us over by closing the loop line and success Council administration allowed the loop line route to become non existent with minor exceptions. A route that couldn’t be re-installed and used in some way. In my lifetime I’ll never see the introduction of anything other than a new bus as an answer to our infrastructure problems.
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Post by thanksjon on Apr 2, 2023 10:56:16 GMT
I've been coming over to Stoke for years from Dublin and the more I come the more confused I get by the bus system.It would be very handy if you could get a train right to the ground but it isn't going to happen. The busses from Glebe Street are well run going to the games but I have ended up in Newcastle more than once coming back.
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Post by toppercorner on Apr 2, 2023 11:09:47 GMT
Imagine any govt spending that money on us We've been talking about this for 40 years I remember well all the Sentinel stories generated by the Council over the years. I think the most memorable one being Councillor Andy Platt pontificating about the introduction of a City wide tram system. Beeching fucked us over by closing the loop line and success Council administration allowed the loop line route to become non existent with minor exceptions. A route that couldn’t be re-installed and used in some way. In my lifetime I’ll never see the introduction of anything other than a new bus as an answer to our infrastructure problems. Beeching's wife's family company build motorways and main roads. quelle surprise! he shut down all the railways.
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Post by lordb on Apr 2, 2023 12:31:55 GMT
I remember well all the Sentinel stories generated by the Council over the years. I think the most memorable one being Councillor Andy Platt pontificating about the introduction of a City wide tram system. Beeching fucked us over by closing the loop line and success Council administration allowed the loop line route to become non existent with minor exceptions. A route that couldn’t be re-installed and used in some way. In my lifetime I’ll never see the introduction of anything other than a new bus as an answer to our infrastructure problems. Beeching's wife's family company build motorways and main roads. quelle surprise! he shut down all the railways. Nothing changes...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Apr 3, 2023 11:25:58 GMT
Coventry is in the process of installing Very Light Rail across the city, including up to the CBS, so that might help with issues like this in future. Perhaps something the conurbation of S-o-T would benefit from. Imagine decent VLR links between the six towns. Imagine any govt spending that money on us We've been talking about this for 40 years Coventry is a very progressive city with regard to its approach to transport. VLR in development, loads of EV charging points, fully electric buses etc etc. Like you say, I assume it's helped by appropriate levels of government funding, presumably because, as a location, it's integral to various engineering and manufacturing centres locally, whereas Stoke...well, managed decline seems to be the way. It's a shame.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 3, 2023 18:32:06 GMT
I remember well all the Sentinel stories generated by the Council over the years. I think the most memorable one being Councillor Andy Platt pontificating about the introduction of a City wide tram system. Beeching fucked us over by closing the loop line and success Council administration allowed the loop line route to become non existent with minor exceptions. A route that couldn’t be re-installed and used in some way. In my lifetime I’ll never see the introduction of anything other than a new bus as an answer to our infrastructure problems. Beeching's wife's family company build motorways and main roads. quelle surprise! he shut down all the railways. I never knew that. I always wondered why the seemingly daft plan went ahead, now I know Penalties for corruption should have been and should be much, much higher.
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Post by 1963 on Apr 3, 2023 19:03:39 GMT
Beeching's wife's family company build motorways and main roads. quelle surprise! he shut down all the railways. I never knew that. I always wondered why the seemingly daft plan went ahead, now I know Penalties for corruption should have been and should be much, much higher. I think that you will find that was not the case
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Post by smallthorner on Apr 3, 2023 19:14:31 GMT
The cheapest and easiest way is a organised park and ride system, strategically placed hubs around the outskirts of the city working alongside the city bus system would remove hundreds of cars, e.g by utilising Knypersley Cricket club which would be out of season for cricket you are catering for :- Congleton, Biddulph, MowCop, knypersley, etc. One Coach would take a average 20 cars away from the ground, But the club and the fans are going to have to alter their match day culture, fans will need to arrive for matches earlier so the club will have to provide better pre match entertainment and cheaper and varied catering. And a bus link from the railway station- surely our current shuttle buses ( or every other one) could include a station drop off which would encourage less car travel Yes... the only viable way to improve the current situation is a well organised, properly thought out park and ride. As regards "match day culture" fair point. But something similar like they do in Germany could be good, ie Beer tents, coffee houses, social and merchandise tents placed around the stadium to try and generate some community atmosphere.
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Post by elystokie on Apr 3, 2023 19:15:10 GMT
I never knew that. I always wondered why the seemingly daft plan went ahead, now I know Penalties for corruption should have been and should be much, much higher. I think that you will find that was not the case I think you'll find that it wasn't me that asserted it was.
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