London

[musik]

Sept 5, 2022 8:56:50 GMT elystokie said:

Sept 5, 2022 8:47:53 GMT felonious said:

I didn't get his name but he made a convincing case for it. You're never going to stop drug use and it's better controlled by the state and of course it would free up police time for much more important matters.

I agree, drug prohibition appears to hand a multi billion pound business to the criminal fraternity, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The reason Sweden never will take any step away from their hard against drugs-policy is because they believe the engine within the gangs aren't drugs, it's money. So if you take away one source of income to them (drugs) they'll simply change to something else; more of kidnapping, fraud etc.

In Sweden only the communists (7%) are in favour of de-criminalisation of cannabis, for instance.
It will not happen here in the nearest 200 years.

[hoffgreen]

Sept 10, 2022 14:05:11 GMT musik said:

Sept 5, 2022 8:56:50 GMT elystokie said:

I agree, drug prohibition appears to hand a multi billion pound business to the criminal fraternity, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The reason Sweden never will take any step away from their hard against drugs-policy is because they believe the engine within the gangs aren't drugs, it's money. So if you take away one source of income to them (drugs) they'll simply change to something else; more of kidnapping, fraud etc.

In Sweden only the communists (7%) are in favour of de-criminalisation of cannabis, for instance.
It will not happen here in the nearest 200 years.

Sweden enjoying the fruits of a diverse society just as we are here in the UK.

Expect more peaceful trucks and knives of peace, beheadings, honour killings etc etc

But always remember, diversity is our strength

[prestwichpotter]

Sept 10, 2022 14:09:45 GMT hoffgreen said:

Sept 10, 2022 14:05:11 GMT musik said:

The reason Sweden never will take any step away from their hard against drugs-policy is because they believe the engine within the gangs aren't drugs, it's money. So if you take away one source of income to them (drugs) they'll simply change to something else; more of kidnapping, fraud etc.

In Sweden only the communists (7%) are in favour of de-criminalisation of cannabis, for instance.
It will not happen here in the nearest 200 years.

Sweden enjoying the fruits of a diverse society just as we are here in the UK.

Expect more peaceful trucks and knives of peace, beheadings, honour killings etc etc

But always remember, diversity is our strength

You can't pick up a newspaper or turn the news on in Sweden or the UK without being inundated with stories of beheadings and honour killings these days.......

[elystokie]

Sept 10, 2022 14:05:11 GMT musik said:

Sept 5, 2022 8:56:50 GMT elystokie said:

I agree, drug prohibition appears to hand a multi billion pound business to the criminal fraternity, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The reason Sweden never will take any step away from their hard against drugs-policy is because they believe the engine within the gangs aren't drugs, it's money. So if you take away one source of income to them (drugs) they'll simply change to something else; more of kidnapping, fraud etc.

In Sweden only the communists (7%) are in favour of de-criminalisation of cannabis, for instance.
It will not happen here in the nearest 200 years.

That isn't what happened in America when they ended alcohol prohibition and there's no reason to suppose it will happen with the end of drug prohibition.

Many countries have legalised or decriminilised cannabis, Uruguay legalised it almost 10 years ago.

It's medically legal in the UK now, around 17,000 patients are prescribed it.

I think you may be surprised when countries around you start to legalise how quickly things can change.

[musik]

Sept 10, 2022 15:04:47 GMT elystokie said:

Sept 10, 2022 14:05:11 GMT musik said:

The reason Sweden never will take any step away from their hard against drugs-policy is because they believe the engine within the gangs aren't drugs, it's money. So if you take away one source of income to them (drugs) they'll simply change to something else; more of kidnapping, fraud etc.

In Sweden only the communists (7%) are in favour of de-criminalisation of cannabis, for instance.
It will not happen here in the nearest 200 years.

That isn't what happened in America when they ended alcohol prohibition and there's no reason to suppose it will happen with the end of drug prohibition.

Many countries have legalised or decriminilised cannabis, Uruguay legalised it almost 10 years ago.

It's medically legal in the UK now, around 17,000 patients are prescribed it.

I think you may be surprised when countries around you start to legalise how quickly things can change.

🤠
... not to mention the politicians here in that case. Discussed this week and the one before.
Election tomorrow, you know.

[elystokie]

Sept 10, 2022 16:30:58 GMT musik said:

Sept 10, 2022 15:04:47 GMT elystokie said:

That isn't what happened in America when they ended alcohol prohibition and there's no reason to suppose it will happen with the end of drug prohibition.

Many countries have legalised or decriminilised cannabis, Uruguay legalised it almost 10 years ago.

It's medically legal in the UK now, around 17,000 patients are prescribed it.

I think you may be surprised when countries around you start to legalise how quickly things can change.

🤠
... not to mention the politicians here in that case. Discussed this week and the one before.
Election tomorrow, you know.

Yeh, I can understand that, it doesn't play well with a certain section of society, in the UK it's generally the Daily Mail readers that the politicians are afraid of upsetting.

Can't blame the readership really, the newspapers (not just the DM) should publish facts but demonising and sensationalising sells more copies.

[skip]

Is there anyone who is contributing to this thread who lives in London?

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Sept 11, 2022 0:28:48 GMT skip said:

Is there anyone who is contributing to this thread who lives in London?

I worked there for 15 years and lived there for about 5 years.
Still go up frequently and have close friends that live in Islington, Wimbledon and Croydon.

[elystokie]

Sept 11, 2022 0:28:48 GMT skip said:

Is there anyone who is contributing to this thread who lives in London?

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread again but I think I've seen at least 2.

[Paul Spencer]

Sept 11, 2022 7:27:14 GMT elystokie said:

Sept 11, 2022 0:28:48 GMT skip said:

Is there anyone who is contributing to this thread who lives in London?

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread again but I think I've seen at least 2.

[UNKLE]

Sept 11, 2022 0:28:48 GMT skip said:

Is there anyone who is contributing to this thread who lives in London?

👋

[skip]

Sept 11, 2022 7:27:14 GMT elystokie said:

Sept 11, 2022 0:28:48 GMT skip said:

Is there anyone who is contributing to this thread who lives in London?

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread again but I think I've seen at least 2.

Does that mean I've got to read it too? Seeing as Stewart Lee's Tornado has been pulled from BBC I suppose I could do.

[elystokie]

Sept 11, 2022 21:31:11 GMT skip said:

Sept 11, 2022 7:27:14 GMT elystokie said:

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread again but I think I've seen at least 2.

Does that mean I've got to read it too? Seeing as Stewart Lee's Tornado has been pulled from BBC I suppose I could do.

You don't have to do anything you don't want to in this country, not yet anyway

[skip]

Sept 6, 2022 7:57:13 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Sept 6, 2022 7:55:52 GMT elystokie said:

Must go see that painted hall again then, went about 7 or 8 years ago and it was fantastic then, thanks for the heads up

Greenwich really is an excellent visit.

If I ever I needed to move to London, Greenwich is where I would choose........

My eldest is busy earning shit student wages in the Pizza Express in Greenwich. Next time you're down, pop in, say you're Stoke and he might even smile

[skip]

Sept 11, 2022 21:34:47 GMT elystokie said:

Sept 11, 2022 21:31:11 GMT skip said:

Does that mean I've got to read it too? Seeing as Stewart Lee's Tornado has been pulled from BBC I suppose I could do.

You don't have to do anything you don't want to in this country, not yet anyway

Read it! Didn't dare not!

[Gob Bluth]

Sept 10, 2022 7:55:13 GMT oggyoggy said:

A lot of people who don’t live in London have extraordinarily strong views on it.

A wonderful place to live if you can afford the housing. I live in a beautiful, leafy community, 5 min walk from the river, 15 min walk from Richmond Park. Great state schools (for primary at least), rated the best area in the country for state primaries.

I can easily get a GP appointment within 7 days of calling. 2 A&Es within 20 min drive. Amazing public transport network (even though I am not on the tube). Great independent shops and farmer’s markets (I vary between 3 each week, 2 of which are walkable). Plus the west end (where I never go) or numerous massive shopping centres (which I also never visit) for those who like that sort of thing for shopping.

The average restaurant/gastro pub is very high quality. Good selection of walkable local pubs. Loads of live football at varying levels (particularly now Brentford and Fulham are back in the Prem).

Crime is low where I live. Some areas it is obviously high. But it is a vast city so you don’t have to go to those areas unless you choose to.

The full array of London culture is a short train into town away. World class museums, galleries, theatre, ballet, opera, sport, film, all the new entertainment venues with ax throwing, darts, escape rooms, live experiences etc. Unparalleled in the rest of the country for depth and breadth and I am talking about going to see the best in the world, or joining in amateur things of the above. Whatever you are into, you can find it in London.

Huge variety of nightlife and nighttime activities, from late night cat cafes to massive nightclubs and wear house raves and festivals.

It is culturally diverse (I know lots of the racists on here will see that as a negative but I certainly don’t). It means people from all over the world go to my son’s school and he learns so much from them. As do I from friends. And it brings up the quality of cultural events and food. People are therefore open minded and more friendly and accepting of others as a result.

Pretty much whatever you want to do for a living can be done in London, with generally more opportunities and higher salaries than the rest of the country. Many sectors are world leading.

Having grown up in Cornwall and lived in Stoke and London, I find people are extremely friendly to those they consider their own in Cornwall and Stoke which is great if you are part of it. In London I find people much more likely to be friendlier to anyone in the community, no matter what you look or sound like and no matter if you are not a local.

The absolutely massive downside of London is the price of housing. That is the only reason my family and I will have to move at some stage (probably when thinking about secondary schools for the kids which aren’t great in my particular area).

If I could afford it I’d be there.

[prestwichpotter]

Sept 11, 2022 21:31:11 GMT skip said:

Sept 11, 2022 7:27:14 GMT elystokie said:

I can't be arsed to read the whole thread again but I think I've seen at least 2.

Does that mean I've got to read it too? Seeing as Stewart Lee's Tornado has been pulled from BBC I suppose I could do.

It’s what she would have wanted…..

[CalgaryPotter]

Sept 10, 2022 7:55:13 GMT oggyoggy said:

A lot of people who don’t live in London have extraordinarily strong views on it.

A wonderful place to live if you can afford the housing. I live in a beautiful, leafy community, 5 min walk from the river, 15 min walk from Richmond Park. Great state schools (for primary at least), rated the best area in the country for state primaries.

I can easily get a GP appointment within 7 days of calling. 2 A&Es within 20 min drive. Amazing public transport network (even though I am not on the tube). Great independent shops and farmer’s markets (I vary between 3 each week, 2 of which are walkable). Plus the west end (where I never go) or numerous massive shopping centres (which I also never visit) for those who like that sort of thing for shopping.

The average restaurant/gastro pub is very high quality. Good selection of walkable local pubs. Loads of live football at varying levels (particularly now Brentford and Fulham are back in the Prem).

Crime is low where I live. Some areas it is obviously high. But it is a vast city so you don’t have to go to those areas unless you choose to.

The full array of London culture is a short train into town away. World class museums, galleries, theatre, ballet, opera, sport, film, all the new entertainment venues with ax throwing, darts, escape rooms, live experiences etc. Unparalleled in the rest of the country for depth and breadth and I am talking about going to see the best in the world, or joining in amateur things of the above. Whatever you are into, you can find it in London.

Huge variety of nightlife and nighttime activities, from late night cat cafes to massive nightclubs and wear house raves and festivals.

It is culturally diverse (I know lots of the racists on here will see that as a negative but I certainly don’t). It means people from all over the world go to my son’s school and he learns so much from them. As do I from friends. And it brings up the quality of cultural events and food. People are therefore open minded and more friendly and accepting of others as a result.

Pretty much whatever you want to do for a living can be done in London, with generally more opportunities and higher salaries than the rest of the country. Many sectors are world leading.

Having grown up in Cornwall and lived in Stoke and London, I find people are extremely friendly to those they consider their own in Cornwall and Stoke which is great if you are part of it. In London I find people much more likely to be friendlier to anyone in the community, no matter what you look or sound like and no matter if you are not a local.

The absolutely massive downside of London is the price of housing. That is the only reason my family and I will have to move at some stage (probably when thinking about secondary schools for the kids which aren’t great in my particular area).

I've recently set my daughter up in Richmond-upon-Thames and she is loving it. Half hour train ride to her job in Ascot and even less to get into central London via tube or rail.

[elystokie]

Sept 10, 2022 14:05:11 GMT musik said:

Sept 5, 2022 8:56:50 GMT elystokie said:

I agree, drug prohibition appears to hand a multi billion pound business to the criminal fraternity, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

The reason Sweden never will take any step away from their hard against drugs-policy is because they believe the engine within the gangs aren't drugs, it's money. So if you take away one source of income to them (drugs) they'll simply change to something else; more of kidnapping, fraud etc.

In Sweden only the communists (7%) are in favour of de-criminalisation of cannabis, for instance.
It will not happen here in the nearest 200 years.

This ex-undercover UK Police Officer disagrees that if you take away the drugs the gangs would switch to something else, in the last five minutes or so, it's all worth a listen tho.

[oggyoggy]

Sept 12, 2022 8:11:09 GMT CalgaryPotter said:

Sept 10, 2022 7:55:13 GMT oggyoggy said:

A lot of people who don’t live in London have extraordinarily strong views on it.

A wonderful place to live if you can afford the housing. I live in a beautiful, leafy community, 5 min walk from the river, 15 min walk from Richmond Park. Great state schools (for primary at least), rated the best area in the country for state primaries.

I can easily get a GP appointment within 7 days of calling. 2 A&Es within 20 min drive. Amazing public transport network (even though I am not on the tube). Great independent shops and farmer’s markets (I vary between 3 each week, 2 of which are walkable). Plus the west end (where I never go) or numerous massive shopping centres (which I also never visit) for those who like that sort of thing for shopping.

The average restaurant/gastro pub is very high quality. Good selection of walkable local pubs. Loads of live football at varying levels (particularly now Brentford and Fulham are back in the Prem).

Crime is low where I live. Some areas it is obviously high. But it is a vast city so you don’t have to go to those areas unless you choose to.

The full array of London culture is a short train into town away. World class museums, galleries, theatre, ballet, opera, sport, film, all the new entertainment venues with ax throwing, darts, escape rooms, live experiences etc. Unparalleled in the rest of the country for depth and breadth and I am talking about going to see the best in the world, or joining in amateur things of the above. Whatever you are into, you can find it in London.

Huge variety of nightlife and nighttime activities, from late night cat cafes to massive nightclubs and wear house raves and festivals.

It is culturally diverse (I know lots of the racists on here will see that as a negative but I certainly don’t). It means people from all over the world go to my son’s school and he learns so much from them. As do I from friends. And it brings up the quality of cultural events and food. People are therefore open minded and more friendly and accepting of others as a result.

Pretty much whatever you want to do for a living can be done in London, with generally more opportunities and higher salaries than the rest of the country. Many sectors are world leading.

Having grown up in Cornwall and lived in Stoke and London, I find people are extremely friendly to those they consider their own in Cornwall and Stoke which is great if you are part of it. In London I find people much more likely to be friendlier to anyone in the community, no matter what you look or sound like and no matter if you are not a local.

The absolutely massive downside of London is the price of housing. That is the only reason my family and I will have to move at some stage (probably when thinking about secondary schools for the kids which aren’t great in my particular area).

I've recently set my daughter up in Richmond-upon-Thames and she is loving it. Half hour train ride to her job in Ascot and even less to get into central London via tube or rail.

Lovely place to live

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Sept 7, 2022 5:46:02 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Sept 7, 2022 0:54:01 GMT scfcbiancorossi said:

I appreciate your Islington bias, but can assure you, it absolutely isn't one of the safest or "greatest" cities in the world. I can think of about 40 off the top of my head that are both safer and more beautiful. Its a million miles off the description you give it.

“Islington bias” - I have no idea wtf that’s meant to mean?

On the subject of Islington

redirect.viglink.com/?key=01868f92fbfbe96767e14b485522ccc4&subId=800541&u=https%3A//www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/crime/islington-double-shooting-rosebery-avenue-clerkenwell-9269386

[prestwichpotter]

Sept 12, 2022 21:45:00 GMT Chewbacca the Wookie said:

Sept 7, 2022 5:46:02 GMT prestwichpotter said:

“Islington bias” - I have no idea wtf that’s meant to mean?

On the subject of Islington

redirect.viglink.com/?key=01868f92fbfbe96767e14b485522ccc4&subId=800541&u=https%3A//www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/crime/islington-double-shooting-rosebery-avenue-clerkenwell-9269386

He never did answer the question, it was absolute bollocks of course……

[Chewbacca the Wookie]

Sept 12, 2022 21:46:22 GMT prestwichpotter said:

Sept 12, 2022 21:45:00 GMT Chewbacca the Wookie said:

On the subject of Islington

redirect.viglink.com/?key=01868f92fbfbe96767e14b485522ccc4&subId=800541&u=https%3A//www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/crime/islington-double-shooting-rosebery-avenue-clerkenwell-9269386

He never did answer the question, it was absolute bollocks of course……

Unlike the double shooting which is clearly very real.

[musik]

Sept 12, 2022 13:11:06 GMT elystokie said:

Sept 10, 2022 14:05:11 GMT musik said:

The reason Sweden never will take any step away from their hard against drugs-policy is because they believe the engine within the gangs aren't drugs, it's money. So if you take away one source of income to them (drugs) they'll simply change to something else; more of kidnapping, fraud etc.

In Sweden only the communists (7%) are in favour of de-criminalisation of cannabis, for instance.
It will not happen here in the nearest 200 years.

This ex-undercover UK Police Officer disagrees that if you take away the drugs the gangs would switch to something else, in the last five minutes or so, it's all worth a listen tho.

Listened to all of it.
The Portugal situation. What has happened to the use of cannabis and other drugs there since they changed the law? Increased? Decreased?

That Nutt guy said towards the end the opportunity makes the crime.
He's wrong. The criminal do criminal things since they're criminals, but yes I DO agree if there aren't any opportunities of course it's not as easy to perform the profession.
Quite funny he thinks the dealers are the ones who want a regulation least of all people. This I don't get! Could it be the situation is very different here?! I've heard many times from sellers that they want an end to the drug war, that they want a regulated situation and a market. What's their point? Then they could do exactly what they do now without being chased and make the same money if not even more, but legally. An opportunity to advertise they say, increase their customer base.

If you have a problem, for instance a bad childhood as he talks about here, and then take drugs as a consequence of that, you aren't really solving the situation, are you?
It's not even as if you have one problem and replace it with another. It's more like having one problem and adding one more.
The solution must be to see a psychologist, therapist, a doctor or some other professional to heal the inner wounds, like a priest, and get inner peace, instead of randomly self-medicating just to forget for a while. It's not the long-term solution and never will be.

He says it will be better for the police not to fight the war against drugs in the same way as they've did. So basically he wants to give up. That's what it's all about.

[elystokie]

Sept 13, 2022 3:12:36 GMT musik said:

Sept 12, 2022 13:11:06 GMT elystokie said:

This ex-undercover UK Police Officer disagrees that if you take away the drugs the gangs would switch to something else, in the last five minutes or so, it's all worth a listen tho.

Listened to all of it.
The Portugal situation. What has happened to the use of cannabis and other drugs there since they changed the law? Increased? Decreased?

That Nutt guy said towards the end the opportunity makes the crime.
He's wrong. The criminal do criminal things since they're criminals, but yes I DO agree if there aren't any opportunities of course it's not as easy to perform the profession.
Quite funny he thinks the dealers are the ones who want a regulation least of all people. This I don't get! Could it be the situation is very different here?! I've heard many times from sellers that they want an end to the drug war, that they want a regulated situation and a market. What's their point? Then they could do exactly what they do now without being chased and make the same money if not even more, but legally. An opportunity to advertise they say, increase their customer base.

If you have a problem, for instance a bad childhood as he talks about here, and then take drugs as a consequence of that, you aren't really solving the situation, are you?
It's not even as if you have one problem and replace it with another. It's more like having one problem and adding one more.
The solution must be to see a psychologist, therapist, a doctor or some other professional to heal the inner wounds, like a priest, and get inner peace, instead of randomly self-medicating just to forget for a while. It's not the long-term solution and never will be.

He says it will be better for the police not to fight the war against drugs in the same way as they've did. So basically he wants to give up. That's what it's all about.

Portugal has gone from being around the 96th safest place to live in the world to regularly being in the top 5 since they decriminilised drugs, d'you think that's a coincidence?

Well, that's a professor and an ex law enforcer telling you the drug laws don't work and the evidence from Portugal amongst others.

In Canada and American states where they've legalised cannabis, use amongst adults has increased, however the use of opioids and alcohol has gone down as has the number of youth using cannabis.

If someone wants to do something that causes little or no harm to themselves and no harm to anyone else why not let them?

Have you seen the side effects of some of the anti- depressants legally available from the medical profession?

If people are self medicating with alcohol or something else responsibly and it's working for them and not causing issues elsewhere then why not let them?

Surely the path of least harm overall is the aim?

Having studied all the evidence many proffesionals are suggesting that the current drug laws are not that path.

[musik]

Sept 13, 2022 6:38:55 GMT elystokie said:

Sept 13, 2022 3:12:36 GMT musik said:

Listened to all of it.
The Portugal situation. What has happened to the use of cannabis and other drugs there since they changed the law? Increased? Decreased?

That Nutt guy said towards the end the opportunity makes the crime.
He's wrong. The criminal do criminal things since they're criminals, but yes I DO agree if there aren't any opportunities of course it's not as easy to perform the profession.
Quite funny he thinks the dealers are the ones who want a regulation least of all people. This I don't get! Could it be the situation is very different here?! I've heard many times from sellers that they want an end to the drug war, that they want a regulated situation and a market. What's their point? Then they could do exactly what they do now without being chased and make the same money if not even more, but legally. An opportunity to advertise they say, increase their customer base.

If you have a problem, for instance a bad childhood as he talks about here, and then take drugs as a consequence of that, you aren't really solving the situation, are you?
It's not even as if you have one problem and replace it with another. It's more like having one problem and adding one more.
The solution must be to see a psychologist, therapist, a doctor or some other professional to heal the inner wounds, like a priest, and get inner peace, instead of randomly self-medicating just to forget for a while. It's not the long-term solution and never will be.

He says it will be better for the police not to fight the war against drugs in the same way as they've did. So basically he wants to give up. That's what it's all about.

Portugal has gone from being around the 96th safest place to live in the world to regularly being in the top 5 since they decriminilised drugs, d'you think that's a coincidence?

Well, that's a professor and an ex law enforcer telling you the drug laws don't work and the evidence from Portugal amongst others.

In Canada and American states where they've legalised cannabis, use amongst adults has increased, however the use of opioids and alcohol has gone down as has the number of youth using cannabis.

If someone wants to do something that causes little or no harm to themselves and no harm to anyone else why not let them?

Have you seen the side effects of some of the anti- depressants legally available from the medical profession?

If people are self medicating with alcohol or something else responsibly and it's working for them and not causing issues elsewhere then why not let them?

Surely the path of least harm overall is the aim?

Having studied all the evidence many proffesionals are suggesting that the current drug laws are not that path.

Yeah, I know he's a professor and I know it's a video published in a drug friendly context. But I also know he got fired for being what they thought a radical bad advisor. Don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily wrong to be radical to have any progress. And they possibly knew in advance what they wanted the result to be and just wanted to pay a person to confirm them. And if so, that's not real science.

But it's another thing about him that makes me wanna throw up 🤮, and it's the fact he is for medical assisted death help.
I'm not and never will be. Some say it's because you've never seen what it's like, having parents, relatives, siblings or friends suffering close to death, but I have, several times, including my dearest. It's the way of life. Death is an ugly thing.

To me the body and life is sacred and will never be for death help, active or passive. We haven't chosen how to be born and shouldn't choose how to die. Some say it's unhuman, but I think death-assisted "help" is the unhuman choice.

I agree the current drug laws aren't that good. But my interest is more directed towards parts of India where they have rehabilitation centers to help people who are addictive with their addiction in a very cheap and successful way by simply don't let them have any access until they're cured.

I'm still waiting for evidence drugs are very good for your body or soul. Probably pointless as a massive amount of experts say they're not.

I know you want risk minimizing, and I do too, but it's like having a football field where the goals are very separated. How to score differs very much depending on what team you're in. Some run that way, some the other way.

[musik]

Back onto the thread.

What team from London do you like the most?

I must say Queens Park Rangers. It must be the blue horizontal lines, it's a bit different. And the pronounciation of them as a team.

All these clubs comes from different locations in London. Where is it a mess? Who are the nastiest fans?

[musik]

Sept 4, 2022 15:15:48 GMT The Drunken Communist said:

It's about time we got a thread going to highlight all the wonderful things taking place in our nations capital each day. I'll get the ball rolling with...

I haven't been there since the 90ies. What's the biggest difference during that period of time, would you say?

[elystokie]

Sept 13, 2022 10:57:29 GMT musik said:

Sept 13, 2022 6:38:55 GMT elystokie said:

Portugal has gone from being around the 96th safest place to live in the world to regularly being in the top 5 since they decriminilised drugs, d'you think that's a coincidence?

Well, that's a professor and an ex law enforcer telling you the drug laws don't work and the evidence from Portugal amongst others.

In Canada and American states where they've legalised cannabis, use amongst adults has increased, however the use of opioids and alcohol has gone down as has the number of youth using cannabis.

If someone wants to do something that causes little or no harm to themselves and no harm to anyone else why not let them?

Have you seen the side effects of some of the anti- depressants legally available from the medical profession?

If people are self medicating with alcohol or something else responsibly and it's working for them and not causing issues elsewhere then why not let them?

Surely the path of least harm overall is the aim?

Having studied all the evidence many proffesionals are suggesting that the current drug laws are not that path.

Yeah, I know he's a professor and I know it's a video published in a drug friendly context. But I also know he got fired for being what they thought a radical bad advisor. Don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily wrong to be radical to have any progress. And they possibly knew in advance what they wanted the result to be and just wanted to pay a person to confirm them. And if so, that's not real science.

But it's another thing about him that makes me wanna throw up 🤮, and it's the fact he is for medical assisted death help.
I'm not and never will be. Some say it's because you've never seen what it's like, having parents, relatives, siblings or friends suffering close to death, but I have, several times, including my dearest. It's the way of life. Death is an ugly thing.

To me the body and life is sacred and will never be for death help, active or passive. We haven't chosen how to be born and shouldn't choose how to die. Some say it's unhuman, but I think death-assisted "help" is the unhuman choice.

I agree the current drug laws aren't that good. But my interest is more directed towards parts of India where they have rehabilitation centers to help people who are addictive with their addiction in a very cheap and successful way by simply don't let them have any access until they're cured.

I'm still waiting for evidence drugs are very good for your body or soul. Probably pointless as a massive amount of experts say they're not.

I know you want risk minimizing, and I do too, but it's like having a football field where the goals are very separated. How to score differs very much depending on what team you're in. Some run that way, some the other way.

He got fired because the scientific results didn't match up with the expectations of the people that asked for the report, they tried to get him to change the report and, thankfully, he refused, if the truth won't do there's something wrong.

I think we should have evidence based policy, not policy based evidence

You're right tho, we're miles apart in our views, mine is that if policies aren't working then we should look to other places to see if their solutions are working better than ours currently are.

[metalhead]

Weed should have been legalised years ago.