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Apr 12, 2024 20:49:11 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 12, 2024 20:49:11 GMT
Croydon isn’t in London remember 🤔 Apparently I have an obsession with it too. |
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Apr 12, 2024 20:54:01 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 12, 2024 20:54:01 GMT
Croydon isn’t in London remember 🤔 Apparently I have an obsession with it too. I actually said, that you seem to have a personal issue specifically with Croydon, why don't you think that you do? |
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Post by Northy on Apr 13, 2024 6:44:18 GMT
There was also one video of a guy in the street with microphone and speakers calling to prayer with Big Ben and the HoP prominent in the background, should be banned in the streets and with speakers, keep it inside churches, temples, mosques, it's provocative to others. |
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Apr 13, 2024 7:01:26 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Apr 13, 2024 7:01:26 GMT
There was also one video of a guy in the street with microphone and speakers calling to prayer with Big Ben and the HoP prominent in the background, should be banned in the streets and with speakers, keep it inside churches, temples, mosques, it's provocative to others. It doesn't really bother me personally, I don't believe any of it so it's just white noise to me. You think it should be banned everywhere for all religions? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66772886Should Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons be banned from doorstepping people? Not having a go, I'm really not arsed either way, just interested 🙂 |
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Post by conzdad on Apr 13, 2024 8:17:55 GMT
Gentlemen,we should not be arguing over who is right and who is wrong. We all have different opinions,I have mine and I know some won't agree but that's okay with me.
The point is all this rioting must be stopped. People are getting hurt and unfortunately losing their lives. The Government must get a grip to stop all this nonsense.
I fear it will end up in civil war as people can only take so much before they snap. And then more people will lose their life or get injured.
I feel strongly on the matter but will keep certain views to myself.
Have a good day Gents and hopefully 3points for the Potters.
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 13, 2024 9:03:04 GMT
Gentlemen,we should not be arguing over who is right and who is wrong. We all have different opinions,I have mine and I know some won't agree but that's okay with me. The point is all this rioting must be stopped. People are getting hurt and unfortunately losing their lives. The Government must get a grip to stop all this nonsense. I fear it will end up in civil war as people can only take so much before they snap. And then more people will lose their life or get injured. I feel strongly on the matter but will keep certain views to myself. Have a good day Gents and hopefully 3points for the Potters. When do the riots you want stopping cease to be protests? Or are you of the opinion that nobody should be able to state their opinions in public if they are against the government of the day? The Sarah Everard vigil springs to mind. It is far more nuanced. The last proper riots in this country were sparked by the police killing Mark Duggan well over a decade ago. Since then there have only been comparatively minor disturbances of the peace at some protests. The police have generally handled them ok, although some not as well as others (Sarah Everard vigil). |
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Apr 13, 2024 9:07:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2024 9:07:55 GMT
Gentlemen,we should not be arguing over who is right and who is wrong. We all have different opinions,I have mine and I know some won't agree but that's okay with me. The point is all this rioting must be stopped. People are getting hurt and unfortunately losing their lives. The Government must get a grip to stop all this nonsense. I fear it will end up in civil war as people can only take so much before they snap. And then more people will lose their life or get injured. I feel strongly on the matter but will keep certain views to myself. Have a good day Gents and hopefully 3points for the Potters. There is a tremendous leap between “rioting” and civil war. A good portion of the population would have to find guns, organize into a functional army and set about overtaking key areas in the country. I don’t see the modern Brit being able to do that to be honest. |
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Post by conzdad on Apr 13, 2024 9:42:15 GMT
Gentlemen,we should not be arguing over who is right and who is wrong. We all have different opinions,I have mine and I know some won't agree but that's okay with me. The point is all this rioting must be stopped. People are getting hurt and unfortunately losing their lives. The Government must get a grip to stop all this nonsense. I fear it will end up in civil war as people can only take so much before they snap. And then more people will lose their life or get injured. I feel strongly on the matter but will keep certain views to myself. Have a good day Gents and hopefully 3points for the Potters. When do the riots you want stopping cease to be protests? Or are you of the opinion that nobody should be able to state their opinions in public if they are against the government of the day? The Sarah Everard vigil springs to mind. It is far more nuanced. The last proper riots in this country were sparked by the police killing Mark Duggan well over a decade ago. Since then there have only been comparatively minor disturbances of the peace at some protests. The police have generally handled them ok, although some not as well as others (Sarah Everard vigil). Good Morning Oggy,hope your'e well. Take the other night in London. Eid was being celebrated which is supposed to be a peaceful celebration.And then all of a sudden things were thrown at the police. Why? Why start throwing objects towards the police. Why the disruption? What was the point? It was supposed to be a celebration. As I said its just my opinion of which some people will disagree with and I'm open to this. That other people see things from a different angle and have valid opoints from which I'll learn from. |
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Apr 13, 2024 9:51:28 GMT
Post by conzdad on Apr 13, 2024 9:51:28 GMT
Gentlemen,we should not be arguing over who is right and who is wrong. We all have different opinions,I have mine and I know some won't agree but that's okay with me. The point is all this rioting must be stopped. People are getting hurt and unfortunately losing their lives. The Government must get a grip to stop all this nonsense. I fear it will end up in civil war as people can only take so much before they snap. And then more people will lose their life or get injured. I feel strongly on the matter but will keep certain views to myself. Have a good day Gents and hopefully 3points for the Potters. There is a tremendous leap between “rioting” and civil war. A good portion of the population would have to find guns, organize into a functional army and set about overtaking key areas in the country. I don’t see the modern Brit being able to do that to be honest. Now thinking about it,Civil War maybe a little over the top,but definitely civil unrest. And I'm in no doubt weapons would be found. I lived a little too close to the riots that occured here in Burnley and weapons were found including machetes,swords,knives and baseball bats to name a few. And to this day machetes and knives are still being used in some disturbances that occur. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 13, 2024 10:06:02 GMT
When do the riots you want stopping cease to be protests? Or are you of the opinion that nobody should be able to state their opinions in public if they are against the government of the day? The Sarah Everard vigil springs to mind. It is far more nuanced. The last proper riots in this country were sparked by the police killing Mark Duggan well over a decade ago. Since then there have only been comparatively minor disturbances of the peace at some protests. The police have generally handled them ok, although some not as well as others (Sarah Everard vigil). Good Morning Oggy,hope your'e well. Take the other night in London. Eid was being celebrated which is supposed to be a peaceful celebration.And then all of a sudden things were thrown at the police. Why? Why start throwing objects towards the police. Why the disruption? What was the point? It was supposed to be a celebration. As I said its just my opinion of which some people will disagree with and I'm open to this. That other people see things from a different angle and have valid opoints from which I'll learn from. The reality is that across the board we’re living in an angrier society since covid (not helped that 24/7 we’re being told what an awful place Britain / the world is). I guess that’s the price of being surrounded by negative and bad news feasted on by those on social media. Add to that an increase in mental health issues which aren’t being supported the majority of the time particularly in the young. It feels like we’ve almost forgotten how to be nice to each other and when challenged you’re constantly told you have an agenda or your this that or the other. In respect to the police they will never please everyone and as is often shown on here they’re often scapegoated by the government (and media) to be the bad guys so being violent towards them for some feels justified. |
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Apr 13, 2024 10:11:52 GMT
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Post by oggyoggy on Apr 13, 2024 10:11:52 GMT
When do the riots you want stopping cease to be protests? Or are you of the opinion that nobody should be able to state their opinions in public if they are against the government of the day? The Sarah Everard vigil springs to mind. It is far more nuanced. The last proper riots in this country were sparked by the police killing Mark Duggan well over a decade ago. Since then there have only been comparatively minor disturbances of the peace at some protests. The police have generally handled them ok, although some not as well as others (Sarah Everard vigil). Good Morning Oggy,hope your'e well. Take the other night in London. Eid was being celebrated which is supposed to be a peaceful celebration.And then all of a sudden things were thrown at the police. Why? Why start throwing objects towards the police. Why the disruption? What was the point? It was supposed to be a celebration. As I said its just my opinion of which some people will disagree with and I'm open to this. That other people see things from a different angle and have valid opoints from which I'll learn from. I don’t know why, but it is hardly a riot. Is the answer to ban Eid celebrations from public spaces? Not in my opinion. |
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Post by Northy on Apr 13, 2024 10:19:08 GMT
There was also one video of a guy in the street with microphone and speakers calling to prayer with Big Ben and the HoP prominent in the background, should be banned in the streets and with speakers, keep it inside churches, temples, mosques, it's provocative to others. It doesn't really bother me personally, I don't believe any of it so it's just white noise to me. You think it should be banned everywhere for all religions? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66772886Should Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons be banned from doorstepping people? Not having a go, I'm really not arsed either way, just interested 🙂 Yes, they should, and the same goes for the bloke spouting out about Jesus in our high street (Witton street) this morning, with his microphone and speakers, people just want to enjoy the artisan market. Keep it in your places of worship. I'm trying to enjoy my simit breakfast with Turkish apple tea and don't want to hear about resurrecting the dead. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 13, 2024 10:35:55 GMT
When do the riots you want stopping cease to be protests? Or are you of the opinion that nobody should be able to state their opinions in public if they are against the government of the day? The Sarah Everard vigil springs to mind. It is far more nuanced. The last proper riots in this country were sparked by the police killing Mark Duggan well over a decade ago. Since then there have only been comparatively minor disturbances of the peace at some protests. The police have generally handled them ok, although some not as well as others (Sarah Everard vigil). Good Morning Oggy,hope your'e well. Take the other night in London. Eid was being celebrated which is supposed to be a peaceful celebration.And then all of a sudden things were thrown at the police. Why? Why start throwing objects towards the police. Why the disruption? What was the point? It was supposed to be a celebration. As I said its just my opinion of which some people will disagree with and I'm open to this. That other people see things from a different angle and have valid opoints from which I'll learn from. Large crowds have and will always attract a small amount of idiots......... |
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Apr 13, 2024 10:57:41 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Apr 13, 2024 10:57:41 GMT
It doesn't really bother me personally, I don't believe any of it so it's just white noise to me. You think it should be banned everywhere for all religions? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-66772886Should Jehovah's witnesses and Mormons be banned from doorstepping people? Not having a go, I'm really not arsed either way, just interested 🙂 Yes, they should, and the same goes for the bloke spouting out about Jesus in our high street (Witton street) this morning, with his microphone and speakers, people just want to enjoy the artisan market. Keep it in your places of worship. I'm trying to enjoy my simit breakfast with Turkish apple tea and don't want to hear about resurrecting the dead. Fair enough 🙂 As I said, not having a go, merely interested. I quite often have a chat to the Jehovah's that stand around offering free bible courses, as a confirmed atheist I find it interesting, wouldn't want them knocking my door tho. It's arguable that the Christian nutters in Leek on the above link are/were more disruptive than the nutter outside parliament, they were actually affecting people's ability to earn a living. |
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Apr 13, 2024 11:02:59 GMT
Post by conzdad on Apr 13, 2024 11:02:59 GMT
Good Morning Oggy,hope your'e well. Take the other night in London. Eid was being celebrated which is supposed to be a peaceful celebration.And then all of a sudden things were thrown at the police. Why? Why start throwing objects towards the police. Why the disruption? What was the point? It was supposed to be a celebration. As I said its just my opinion of which some people will disagree with and I'm open to this. That other people see things from a different angle and have valid opoints from which I'll learn from. I don’t know why, but it is hardly a riot. Is the answer to ban Eid celebrations from public spaces? Not in my opinion. Oggy, No I'm not saying or wanting Eid celebrations to be banned from public spaces. Eid should be celebrated publicly by those wanting to celebrate it.Some celebrations are a spectacle and pleasing to watch,but they should not be allowed to decend into what happened the other night.Its like the Palestinian protests,yes protest if that's what you feel strongly about but in a peaceful manner with respect to property and other people.And that goes for other protests as well.I'm just using the Palestinian one as an example. And then maybe just maybe some people may sympathise with you. But not when you are disrespecting other people and property. We all await the outcome of St Georges Day parades. Hopefully a day of celebration and not bad news. |
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Apr 13, 2024 11:10:50 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Apr 13, 2024 11:10:50 GMT
I don’t know why, but it is hardly a riot. Is the answer to ban Eid celebrations from public spaces? Not in my opinion. Oggy, No I'm not saying or wanting Eid celebrations to be banned from public spaces. Eid should be celebrated publicly by those wanting to celebrate it.Some celebrations are a spectacle and pleasing to watch,but they should not be allowed to decend into what happened the other night.Its like the Palestinian protests,yes protest if that's what you feel strongly about but in a peaceful manner with respect to property and other people.And that goes for other protests as well.I'm just using the Palestinian one as an example. And then maybe just maybe some people may sympathise with you. But not when you are disrespecting other people and property. We all await the outcome of St Georges Day parades. Hopefully a day of celebration and not bad news. There's a 'protest' on the 20th of this month in Hyde Park, if the weather doesn't put the kybosh on it there'll be over 30,000 attending. There's a very good chance, based on past years, that there'll be a large police presence as usual but there'll be no chanting, no fighting, no looting or damage to property and yet almost everyone there will be de facto breaking the law 🙂 |
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Post by deeside2 on Apr 13, 2024 11:23:42 GMT
Things like this don't help the mood though do they ? Yet another senseless act a couple of days ago, this time the Ministry Of Defence in London, by pro-Gaza activists. Yet another story unsurprisingly not reported by the MSM when it's so easily accessed on the internet. There are a few videos (I can't find them right now (showing bystanders asking the police why they weren't stopping these idiots, and their reply was "why should we they're entitled to protest"). As can be seen these morons were eventually apprehended but I've not heard anything about whether they've been charged or not.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 13, 2024 12:08:46 GMT
Things like this don't help the mood though do they ? Yet another senseless act a couple of days ago, this time the Ministry Of Defence in London, by pro-Gaza activists. Yet another story unsurprisingly not reported by the MSM when it's so easily accessed on the internet. There are a few videos (I can't find them right now (showing bystanders asking the police why they weren't stopping these idiots, and their reply was "why should we they're entitled to protest"). As can be seen these morons were eventually apprehended but I've not heard anything about whether they've been charged or not. probably because anyone who criticises gets shouted down |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:18:59 GMT
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Post by knype on Apr 14, 2024 19:18:59 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 14, 2024 19:22:13 GMT
That’s more than likely a life saved. |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:23:50 GMT
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Post by knype on Apr 14, 2024 19:23:50 GMT
That’s more than likely a life saved. May have hurt his feelings though |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:25:53 GMT
Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 14, 2024 19:25:53 GMT
Good Morning Oggy,hope your'e well. Take the other night in London. Eid was being celebrated which is supposed to be a peaceful celebration.And then all of a sudden things were thrown at the police. Why? Why start throwing objects towards the police. Why the disruption? What was the point? It was supposed to be a celebration. As I said its just my opinion of which some people will disagree with and I'm open to this. That other people see things from a different angle and have valid opoints from which I'll learn from. The reality is that across the board we’re living in an angrier society since covid (not helped that 24/7 we’re being told what an awful place Britain / the world London is). I guess that’s the price of being surrounded by negative and bad news feasted on by those on social media.
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Apr 14, 2024 19:29:47 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:29:47 GMT
That’s more than likely a life saved. Who knows how many it’s saved. Any more than none is a result and some say Stop and Search doesn’t work. The mind boggles |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2024 19:33:09 GMT
That’s more than likely a life saved. Who knows how many it’s saved. Any more than none is a result and some say Stop and Search doesn’t work. The mind boggles Surely, it’s more that stop and search is subjective and disproportionately targets certain groups rather than it not working? Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to? |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:34:21 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 14, 2024 19:34:21 GMT
The reality is that across the board we’re living in an angrier society since covid (not helped that 24/7 we’re being told what an awful place Britain / the world London is). I guess that’s the price of being surrounded by negative and bad news feasted on by those on social media. I’d say this is good news that the Met have got a potential killer off the street and people can feel safer. Bad news is when someone loses their life at the end of a knife, cost of living, no jobs, more govt corruption, ULEZ, People dying in Palestine, Covid deaths, the threat from Russia, Rising mental health, constant protests. I guess we all see things differently. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:35:53 GMT
Who knows how many it’s saved. Any more than none is a result and some say Stop and Search doesn’t work. The mind boggles Surely, it’s more that stop and search is subjective and disproportionately targets certain groups rather than it not working? Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to? 30 minutes?!!!! |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:36:51 GMT
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Apr 14, 2024 19:36:51 GMT
Who knows how many it’s saved. Any more than none is a result and some say Stop and Search doesn’t work. The mind boggles Surely, it’s more that stop and search is subjective and disproportionately targets certain groups rather than it not working? Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to? If it takes 30 mins to pat someone down I’d say that’s way past a search. Let’s not forget there needs to be grounds to do a search too they can’t just pick someone randomly off the street contrary to what people think. |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:40:09 GMT
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Post by knype on Apr 14, 2024 19:40:09 GMT
Who knows how many it’s saved. Any more than none is a result and some say Stop and Search doesn’t work. The mind boggles Surely, it’s more that stop and search is subjective and disproportionately targets certain groups rather than it not working? Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to? Not a problem for me |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:41:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2024 19:41:40 GMT
Surely, it’s more that stop and search is subjective and disproportionately targets certain groups rather than it not working? Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to? 30 minutes?!!!! How long do you think it takes to do a pat down etc? I bet it would get real old, real quick. On your way to your kids recital - nah, you look funny, time to be frisked and have a background check. Coming home from the pub - hm, not sure about that, you look funny, time to be frisked and maybe you can sit in a van for a while as well. |
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Apr 14, 2024 19:41:56 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Apr 14, 2024 19:41:56 GMT
Surely, it’s more that stop and search is subjective and disproportionately targets certain groups rather than it not working? Would you be happy to be grabbed off the street most mornings on your way to work for a 30 minute pat down, background check and talking to? If it takes 30 mins to pat someone down I’d say that’s way past a search. Let’s not forget there needs to be grounds to do a search too they can’t just pick someone randomly off the street contrary to what people think. People don’t get stop and search. That’s obvious. There’s some bizarre opinions about it on here that’s for sure |
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