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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2022 7:27:29 GMT
Did Morecambe play their first choice side? Messi was on the bench
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 11, 2022 8:05:50 GMT
Did Morecambe play their first choice side? As good as as far as I can see.
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 11, 2022 8:13:41 GMT
It was a second string, call it whatever you like if it makes you feel good. The point stands that a number of those quoted are not first choice in their positions They should’ve been more than a match for Morcambe. I’m not sure it makes me feel anything other than vindicated in wanting O’Neill out. We played Sparrow who is a youth player and not a first teamer, the rest are which is the point, it’s not a second string anything, it’s players from the first team, not reserves. So you think Sparrow, Kilkenny, Thompson at left back, Clucas, Fox, Bonham will be our first choices when we have a full squad to choose from? They were a second string eleven. We know that MON is looking at bringing in 2 or 3 starters so not even Saturday was his first choice. They were a scratch team playing against virtually the first team of a club in the division below Stoke. Hardly a huge gap. People saying that team should have beaten Morecambe are very arrogant and paying huge disrespect to Morecambe.
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 11, 2022 13:12:29 GMT
We made 8 changes from the side that played in the league, which is clearly our priority. Not saying we shouldn’t have beaten morecambe with that side, I think we should. But to argue it was our first choice eleven? Seriously, I get that you want the manager out but don’t be so desperate that you resort to making things up, cheapens any real arguments you do have The only person making stuff up is you saying they’re our reserves, which they aren’t. You then tried to wriggle out of it saying you used the wrong vernacular, but I think you possibly tried to make an excuse which backfired. In terms of real arguments, we should’ve beaten Morcambe with that side, but didn’t, I don’t need to make more of an argument than that! I agree we should have beaten morecambe with that side, and actually said that at the beginning. The only person picking up on the terminology is you (not vernacular - go and look up what that means before using it with the intention of sounding intelligent). They are reserve players - reserves for the first team players. Don’t really care if you call them U23’s or whatever. Seeing as you don’t understand the difference between vernacular and terminology, this isn’t an area where your opinion is of any value
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 13:19:16 GMT
Is this thread going to be longer than the far more important game that we won?
Just realised have bumped it but 15 pages on this cup game.
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Post by gawa on Aug 11, 2022 13:32:34 GMT
I think a lot of the people commentating on this match are people who neither attended the game or watched a stream either.
Some members like to swim in negativity.
No agendas though of course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 14:41:26 GMT
They should’ve been more than a match for Morcambe. I’m not sure it makes me feel anything other than vindicated in wanting O’Neill out. We played Sparrow who is a youth player and not a first teamer, the rest are which is the point, it’s not a second string anything, it’s players from the first team, not reserves. So you think Sparrow, Kilkenny, Thompson at left back, Clucas, Fox, Bonham will be our first choices when we have a full squad to choose from? They were a second string eleven. We know that MON is looking at bringing in 2 or 3 starters so not even Saturday was his first choice. They were a scratch team playing against virtually the first team of a club in the division below Stoke. Hardly a huge gap. People saying that team should have beaten Morecambe are very arrogant and paying huge disrespect to Morecambe. I am afraid I have to disagree, against the likes of Morecambe and Accrington Stanley, we have to be bigger, faster , stronger , more ruthless than them , or the only way we are leaving the championship, is downwards and into league one . It's not a matter of respect, it's a matter of being professional and bossing it , rather than being bossed around. Sure , Walters huth fuller Whelan Wilko etc got beaten a fair few times but it was rare they were bossed around. And certainly not on a regular basis by the likes of Morecambe and Accrington Stanley. Skill counts out on the pitch , but if you are not brave you can forget it . No matter how good your touch and quality on the ball given a bit of time and space , you will get nowhere and win nothing.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 11, 2022 14:49:48 GMT
Is this thread going to be longer than the far more important game that we won? Just realised have bumped it but 15 pages on this cup game. I think it's reassuring that some folk still show interest in our cup competitions.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 11, 2022 14:51:49 GMT
I think a lot of the people commentating on this match are people who neither attended the game or watched a stream either. Some members like to swim in negativity. No agendas though of course. I'm not sure you need to have seen the game to comment on the result. Commenting on the performance is another kettle of fish.
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Post by gawa on Aug 11, 2022 15:11:15 GMT
I think a lot of the people commentating on this match are people who neither attended the game or watched a stream either. Some members like to swim in negativity. No agendas though of course. I'm not sure you need to have seen the game to comment on the result. Commenting on the performance is another kettle of fish. It's very dunning-kruger esque
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 15:17:07 GMT
Ray parlor's autobiography is called, Romford Pele , it's football light , with lots of amusing stories about for instance, trying to impress a girl by pretending Tony Adams mansion in Essex is his own house, even though he is a teenager who lives with his mum and dad and has only played for arsenal for all of about ten minutes, at the time.
He cunningly throws the girl into the pool so that he has to be a gentleman and strip her out of her wet clothes while opening the front door with a borrowed key . He is not so cunning , when the police arrive and he has no idea how to turn the burglar alarm off . Having hugely entertained the police for a couple of minutes by trying to turn it off by ripping all the wires out ( tip ! This does not work) , they are both arrested, blah blah
In a rare moment focussing on football , he is training with arsenal youth , with Paul dickov , Kevin Campbell and co and someone goes flying in on this lad who is at the time captain of England youth . The lad gets up off the ground and says ' steady on ,I am captain of England ( youth ) don't you know '
This is within ear shot of youth coach pat rice , who goes ballistic with the lad , and tells him he is a disgrace
Pat rice then stops the match and gets together the three Lads he actually likes ( dickov parlor Campbell) , tells them never ever think you are above the rough stuff in football, and kick that lad twice as hard for the rest of the match , because he won't be playing for arsenal much longer ( he didn't)
What grinds my gears with this Stoke side is when they go to Millwall, Accrington Stanley, Morecambe and it's all a bit ...' I play for Stoke don't you know '
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Post by Gods on Aug 11, 2022 16:42:03 GMT
Is this thread going to be longer than the far more important game that we won? Just realised have bumped it but 15 pages on this cup game. Well we take part in only 3 competitions and this was curtain down on one of them before it began. It is 1 of only 2 shots at any excitement this season, unless the drudgery of 46 attempts at dragging ourselves to mid-table appeals! I'm still pissed off!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 16:48:06 GMT
Is this thread going to be longer than the far more important game that we won? Just realised have bumped it but 15 pages on this cup game. Well we take part in only 3 competitions and this was curtain down on one of them before it began. It 1 if only 2 shots at any excitement this sesson, unless the drudgery of 46 attempts at dragging ourselves to mid-table appeals! I'm still pissed off! I think when one stand is open for games it perhaps shows what fans think of it in general. We're not going to win it and it shows the pointlessness of it even more when you do draw a big team and see their line up. Is simply games we don't need in a hectic season and seems the majority of our league think so also by their attitude towards it They missed a chance to scrap the thing once and for all last year....before someone says is the only thing we've won, it doesn't justify it 5 decades later
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Post by Gods on Aug 11, 2022 16:58:35 GMT
Well we take part in only 3 competitions and this was curtain down on one of them before it began. It 1 if only 2 shots at any excitement this sesson, unless the drudgery of 46 attempts at dragging ourselves to mid-table appeals! I'm still pissed off! I think when one stand is open for games it perhaps shows what fans think of it in general. We're not going to win it and it shows the pointlessness of it even more when you do draw a big team and see their line up. Is simply games we don't need in a hectic season and seems the majority of our league think so also by their attitude towards it They missed a chance to scrap the thing once and for all last year....before someone says is the only thing we've won, it doesn't justify it 5 decades later We're not going to win it!? Well we're not going to win anything ever again so by that criteria we may as well pack up!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 17:01:10 GMT
I think when one stand is open for games it perhaps shows what fans think of it in general. We're not going to win it and it shows the pointlessness of it even more when you do draw a big team and see their line up. Is simply games we don't need in a hectic season and seems the majority of our league think so also by their attitude towards it They missed a chance to scrap the thing once and for all last year....before someone says is the only thing we've won, it doesn't justify it 5 decades later We're not going to win it!? Well we're not going to win anything ever again so by that criteria we may as well pack up! True but we're just going to end up playing some Prem second string if we were to go a distance in it .... As thrilling as the prospect is, can get over it not happening
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Post by str8outtahampton on Aug 11, 2022 17:16:03 GMT
I'm not sure you need to have seen the game to comment on the result. Commenting on the performance is another kettle of fish. It's very dunning-kruger esque I'm not convinced it is, but I doff my cap to any reference to Dunning and Kruger. Mind you, my knowledge of D&K is very flimsy, so any comment of mine on their work is possibly (and ironically) an illustration of their theory.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 11, 2022 17:23:28 GMT
I think a lot of the people commentating on this match are people who neither attended the game or watched a stream either. Some members like to swim in negativity. No agendas though of course. For someone who only 'follows' Stoke as a novelty, you aren't half opinionated about Stoke supporters fella
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Post by gawa on Aug 11, 2022 17:44:07 GMT
I think a lot of the people commentating on this match are people who neither attended the game or watched a stream either. Some members like to swim in negativity. No agendas though of course. For someone who only 'follows' Stoke as a novelty, you aren't half opinionated about Stoke supporters fella Who said I only follow Stoke as a novelty aside from those who don't agree with my opinions? I think it's common sense tbh? I'm not an expert on viruses, so I don't pretend to be a corona virus expert. I know very little about cricket, so I don't commentate on it. I discussed Millwall and Blackpool as I watched those games. I'm not going to commentate on Morecambe as I didn't. Just find it odd for so many people to comment on a game they didn't watch. Yet the game they did watch on Saturday they weren't interested in talking about. Why not review all the league Cup fixtures for us if all it requires is reading a result.
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Post by a on Aug 11, 2022 21:35:39 GMT
They should’ve been more than a match for Morcambe. I’m not sure it makes me feel anything other than vindicated in wanting O’Neill out. We played Sparrow who is a youth player and not a first teamer, the rest are which is the point, it’s not a second string anything, it’s players from the first team, not reserves. So you think Sparrow, Kilkenny, Thompson at left back, Clucas, Fox, Bonham will be our first choices when we have a full squad to choose from? They were a second string eleven. We know that MON is looking at bringing in 2 or 3 starters so not even Saturday was his first choice. They were a scratch team playing against virtually the first team of a club in the division below Stoke. Hardly a huge gap. People saying that team should have beaten Morecambe are very arrogant and paying huge disrespect to Morecambe. Are they Stoke reserves?
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Post by a on Aug 11, 2022 21:39:16 GMT
The only person making stuff up is you saying they’re our reserves, which they aren’t. You then tried to wriggle out of it saying you used the wrong vernacular, but I think you possibly tried to make an excuse which backfired. In terms of real arguments, we should’ve beaten Morcambe with that side, but didn’t, I don’t need to make more of an argument than that! I agree we should have beaten morecambe with that side, and actually said that at the beginning. The only person picking up on the terminology is you (not vernacular - go and look up what that means before using it with the intention of sounding intelligent). They are reserve players - reserves for the first team players. Don’t really care if you call them U23’s or whatever. Seeing as you don’t understand the difference between vernacular and terminology, this isn’t an area where your opinion is of any value Reserves for the first team? First team reserves is a new term. So are you saying they aren’t in the first team squad then? Vernacular is more than acceptable and the day I’m schooled on terminology by you chav is a long way off, but nice attempt at deflection though.
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Post by a on Aug 11, 2022 22:02:12 GMT
They should’ve been more than a match for Morcambe. I’m not sure it makes me feel anything other than vindicated in wanting O’Neill out. We played Sparrow who is a youth player and not a first teamer, the rest are which is the point, it’s not a second string anything, it’s players from the first team, not reserves. So you think Sparrow, Kilkenny, Thompson at left back, Clucas, Fox, Bonham will be our first choices when we have a full squad to choose from? They were a second string eleven. We know that MON is looking at bringing in 2 or 3 starters so not even Saturday was his first choice. They were a scratch team playing against virtually the first team of a club in the division below Stoke. Hardly a huge gap. People saying that team should have beaten Morecambe are very arrogant and paying huge disrespect to Morecambe. Also, first team and first choice are entirely different. They are first team players, not reserves. It’s weird how a few of you have forgotten when we had reserves. So if they aren’t the first eleven, which let’s face it no team has, as they get injuries or dropped, then they are reserves? That’s just not correct.
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Post by meltonjohn on Aug 11, 2022 22:12:15 GMT
So you think Sparrow, Kilkenny, Thompson at left back, Clucas, Fox, Bonham will be our first choices when we have a full squad to choose from? They were a second string eleven. We know that MON is looking at bringing in 2 or 3 starters so not even Saturday was his first choice. They were a scratch team playing against virtually the first team of a club in the division below Stoke. Hardly a huge gap. People saying that team should have beaten Morecambe are very arrogant and paying huge disrespect to Morecambe. I am afraid I have to disagree, against the likes of Morecambe and Accrington Stanley, we have to be bigger, faster , stronger , more ruthless than them , or the only way we are leaving the championship, is downwards and into league one . It's not a matter of respect, it's a matter of being professional and bossing it , rather than being bossed around. Sure , Walters huth fuller Whelan Wilko etc got beaten a fair few times but it was rare they were bossed around. And certainly not on a regular basis by the likes of Morecambe and Accrington Stanley. Skill counts out on the pitch , but if you are not brave you can forget it . No matter how good your touch and quality on the ball given a bit of time and space , you will get nowhere and win nothing. We lost against Hartlepool in the cup with most of that lot playing…..
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Post by a on Aug 11, 2022 22:27:17 GMT
I am afraid I have to disagree, against the likes of Morecambe and Accrington Stanley, we have to be bigger, faster , stronger , more ruthless than them , or the only way we are leaving the championship, is downwards and into league one . It's not a matter of respect, it's a matter of being professional and bossing it , rather than being bossed around. Sure , Walters huth fuller Whelan Wilko etc got beaten a fair few times but it was rare they were bossed around. And certainly not on a regular basis by the likes of Morecambe and Accrington Stanley. Skill counts out on the pitch , but if you are not brave you can forget it . No matter how good your touch and quality on the ball given a bit of time and space , you will get nowhere and win nothing. We lost against Hartlepool in the cup with most of that lot playing….. Remember Crawley when we were in the Prem too? Back then we used to see it as a bad loss. Nowadays we have some who see it as par for the course. Shows how far we’ve fallen sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 23:42:31 GMT
More pages than the league game we won .
Says a lot
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 12, 2022 5:45:30 GMT
So you think Sparrow, Kilkenny, Thompson at left back, Clucas, Fox, Bonham will be our first choices when we have a full squad to choose from? They were a second string eleven. We know that MON is looking at bringing in 2 or 3 starters so not even Saturday was his first choice. They were a scratch team playing against virtually the first team of a club in the division below Stoke. Hardly a huge gap. People saying that team should have beaten Morecambe are very arrogant and paying huge disrespect to Morecambe. Also, first team and first choice are entirely different. They are first team players, not reserves. It’s weird how a few of you have forgotten when we had reserves. So if they aren’t the first eleven, which let’s face it no team has, as they get injuries or dropped, then they are reserves? That’s just not correct. It’s dead simple, they are not first choice players. Put it this way, in a perfect world on perfect day, those players wouldn’t be playing. There are only so many ways to say they are not first choice, but you don’t seem to want to accept that and are making a point of the terms used. The original point was, this was a second string team we put out. Whether you call them reserves, first team squad players or fucking Teletubbies, it really doesn’t matter. Don’t know why you can’t accept it, but it’s about a close to a fact as you’ll get on this board.
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