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Post by Veritas on Aug 10, 2022 10:30:42 GMT
It was a second string, call it whatever you like if it makes you feel good. The point stands that a number of those quoted are not first choice in their positions Therefore we are to accept that players he brought to a championship club are poorer than or equal to those in a team that struggles in League one? Surely we would expect players that play say 10 games a season each covering injuries , suspensions or loss of form are better than that. Stop press news....teams sometimes lose to lower league opposition in the Cup!!!
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Post by iamstokie on Aug 10, 2022 10:36:59 GMT
It'll be a blessing in disguise if it goes towards MON getting the sack. Of course it will, if you want to see Dean Holden or Tony Mowbray in the dugout. Fill your boots... Rather them than the muppet we have
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 10, 2022 10:45:39 GMT
I'm not sure who could believe it less when Fox stepped forward to take the penalty - the crowd or Morgan Fox himself.
You knew from his body language that he was going to miss.
We also called it that it would go to penalties and that their keeper who'd taken so much abuse would triumph!
The shouts of 'You fat bastard' got quieter and quieter as the shoot out went on.
Support was good though there was a significant number of wankers who were booing from the off. They wanted to be offended and were presumably happy that their vocal negativity achieved its predictable outcome.
I'm fed up with the 'I've paid my money and I'll shout what I want' argument. It achieves nothing.
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 10, 2022 10:53:10 GMT
It was a second string, call it whatever you like if it makes you feel good. The point stands that a number of those quoted are not first choice in their positions Therefore we are to accept that players he brought to a championship club are poorer than or equal to those in a team that struggles in League one? Surely we would expect players that play say 10 games a season each covering injuries , suspensions or loss of form are better than that. Yeah, as I said in my first post, we should have had enough to win that game. Don’t think he should have shoehorned those players into the 5-3-2 personally.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 10, 2022 11:05:22 GMT
For some reason people are forgetting Gayles ‘offside goal’ which wasn’t offside. We won that game if the officials got it right. But no one cares about that on here they just sit and abuse our manager.. So now we are resorting to blaming the officials for not being able to score against league 1 morecambe with 10 men 😂 Keep clapping flower It was cracking interplay between DWP and Gayle shame it was chalked off was a really good goal. On the subject of 10 men I'm not sure it made any real difference they were sat with a bank of 4 and a bank of 5 throughout the first 60 minutes, they just went to two banks of 4........
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Post by scfcwebby on Aug 10, 2022 11:07:33 GMT
So now we are resorting to blaming the officials for not being able to score against league 1 morecambe with 10 men 😂 Keep clapping flower It was cracking interplay between DWP and Gayle shame it was chalked off was a really good goal. On the subject of 10 men I'm not sure it made any real difference they were sat with a bank of 4 and a bank of 5 throughout the first 60 minutes, they just went to two banks of 4........ Where have you seen it mate? It isn't on the highlights that are on the highlights thread 🤔
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 10, 2022 11:11:04 GMT
It was cracking interplay between DWP and Gayle shame it was chalked off was a really good goal. On the subject of 10 men I'm not sure it made any real difference they were sat with a bank of 4 and a bank of 5 throughout the first 60 minutes, they just went to two banks of 4........ Where have you seen it mate? It isn't on the highlights that are on the highlights thread 🤔 I was right behind the goal about 10 yards away when it happened, the manager confirmed afterwards after looking back on the monitor it was clearly onside which is what we said at the time Gayle was level at worst.......
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Post by a on Aug 10, 2022 11:12:07 GMT
😂 so you know you’ve confused the difference between first team including subs, and reserves, which is now more commonly known as u23s. Otherwise we’d only have 11 first team players. It was a second string, call it whatever you like if it makes you feel good. The point stands that a number of those quoted are not first choice in their positions They should’ve been more than a match for Morcambe. I’m not sure it makes me feel anything other than vindicated in wanting O’Neill out. We played Sparrow who is a youth player and not a first teamer, the rest are which is the point, it’s not a second string anything, it’s players from the first team, not reserves.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 10, 2022 11:19:34 GMT
For those who were there, was Gayles goal offside?
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 10, 2022 11:26:06 GMT
For those who were there, was Gayles goal offside? Maybe look about 10 inches above this post?
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Post by Veritas on Aug 10, 2022 11:49:00 GMT
Therefore we are to accept that players he brought to a championship club are poorer than or equal to those in a team that struggles in League one? Surely we would expect players that play say 10 games a season each covering injuries , suspensions or loss of form are better than that. Yeah, as I said in my first post, we should have had enough to win that game. Don’t think he should have shoehorned those players into the 5-3-2 personally. We didn't play 5-3-2 it was 3-5-2!!
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Post by thevoid on Aug 10, 2022 12:08:59 GMT
So now we are resorting to blaming the officials for not being able to score against league 1 morecambe with 10 men 😂 Keep clapping flower The manager should definitely go for sending his players out to deliberately miss chances. By that logic anything out on the pitch is out of the manager's hands and no manager anywhere would be replaced
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Post by thevoid on Aug 10, 2022 12:11:20 GMT
Therefore we are to accept that players he brought to a championship club are poorer than or equal to those in a team that struggles in League one? Surely we would expect players that play say 10 games a season each covering injuries , suspensions or loss of form are better than that. Stop press news....teams sometimes lose to lower league opposition in the Cup!!! Are we going to pass off every failure by this manager because something similar has happened elsewhere?
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on Aug 10, 2022 14:10:57 GMT
Really don’t understand why we carried on with 3 centre half’s when they went to 10 no other manager does that at this leval
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Post by doitforever on Aug 10, 2022 14:13:40 GMT
Therefore we are to accept that players he brought to a championship club are poorer than or equal to those in a team that struggles in League one? Surely we would expect players that play say 10 games a season each covering injuries , suspensions or loss of form are better than that. Stop press news....teams sometimes lose to lower league opposition in the Cup!!! Others with better memories may be able to help, when we have done the same to higher league opposition in the last 50 years has the opposition manager been immediately sacked. Just curious
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 10, 2022 14:39:07 GMT
It was a second string, call it whatever you like if it makes you feel good. The point stands that a number of those quoted are not first choice in their positions They should’ve been more than a match for Morcambe. I’m not sure it makes me feel anything other than vindicated in wanting O’Neill out. We played Sparrow who is a youth player and not a first teamer, the rest are which is the point, it’s not a second string anything, it’s players from the first team, not reserves. We made 8 changes from the side that played in the league, which is clearly our priority. Not saying we shouldn’t have beaten morecambe with that side, I think we should. But to argue it was our first choice eleven? Seriously, I get that you want the manager out but don’t be so desperate that you resort to making things up, cheapens any real arguments you do have
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Post by biddulphchav on Aug 10, 2022 14:42:49 GMT
Stop press news....teams sometimes lose to lower league opposition in the Cup!!! Others with better memories may be able to help, when we have done the same to higher league opposition in the last 50 years has the opposition manager been immediately sacked. Just curious O’Neill has been the manager in every one of those instances, they weren’t upsets, they were proof that the modern day PHW’s have been right all along!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Aug 10, 2022 15:03:18 GMT
Stop press news....teams sometimes lose to lower league opposition in the Cup!!! Others with better memories may be able to help, when we have done the same to higher league opposition in the last 50 years has the opposition manager been immediately sacked. Just curious You don't even need that good a memory, we won at Premier League Wolves and Premier League Aston Villa at the start of the 2020/21 season under MON. Neither Nuno Espirito Sanchez nor Dean Smith were sacked. We then beat Premier League Watford almost a year go, again under MON. The manager was sacked 2 weeks later but you get a Rolex for that length of service at Vicarage Road.................
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Post by Gods on Aug 10, 2022 15:55:37 GMT
Yep, looks completely unfazed. Perhaps he knows it is the FA Cup exit against unfancied opposition in January which finishes most of our managers. that was in a totally different context when we were a premier league team with realistic expectations of doing well in a cup completion. Cov we’re lg 2 at the time. Morcombe are league 1 and do remarkably well for their tiny stature. You just cannot compare the 2 results. Well I still have expectations that we might proceed in the cup competitions. I don't get the idea that just because we can't win them we give up on them. I mean we only play in 3 competitions. We can't win the league either, why don't we just give up on the whole lot and just do training. I'm still really pissed off about this.
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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 10, 2022 17:48:15 GMT
that was in a totally different context when we were a premier league team with realistic expectations of doing well in a cup completion. Cov we’re lg 2 at the time. Morcombe are league 1 and do remarkably well for their tiny stature. You just cannot compare the 2 results. Well I still have expectations that we might proceed in the cup competitions. I don't get the idea that just because we can't win them we give up on them. I mean we only play in 3 competitions. We can't win the league either, why don't we just give up on the whole lot and just do training. I'm still really pissed off about this. Exactly and what about those cup games to give youngsters ago or fringe players to show what they have. Have to wait till fa cup now. Dwp might not get another game
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 10, 2022 18:05:03 GMT
Fox really is pants, although Bayern rates him (okay Bayern, as a left back I know), but he's scared of the ball or being in possession. His confidence is possibly shattered but as soon as we get a left footed centre back in we need to try and loan him out. Is there any club who'd want him, seriously?
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Post by thevoid on Aug 10, 2022 18:11:55 GMT
that was in a totally different context when we were a premier league team with realistic expectations of doing well in a cup completion. Cov we’re lg 2 at the time. Morcombe are league 1 and do remarkably well for their tiny stature. You just cannot compare the 2 results. Well I still have expectations that we might proceed in the cup competitions. I don't get the idea that just because we can't win them we give up on them. I mean we only play in 3 competitions. We can't win the league either, why don't we just give up on the whole lot and just do training. I'm still really pissed off about this. It's a lame excuse. Using that logic why try and compete in the Premier League or (when we were in it) the Europa League then? Also, I've heard a lot of talk about previous Stoke managers suffering similar defeats. Maybe true, but Macari, Thordarson, Pulis and Hughes (pre-meltdown) could all hang their hats on some memorable league campaigns to counterbalance them!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Aug 10, 2022 18:13:21 GMT
Fox really is pants, although Bayern rates him (okay Bayern, as a left back I know), but he's scared of the ball or being in possession. His confidence is possibly shattered but as soon as we get a left footed centre back in we need to try and loan him out. Is there any club who'd want him, seriously? There's a pub around the corner looking for a reserve left back.
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Post by a on Aug 10, 2022 18:22:18 GMT
They should’ve been more than a match for Morcambe. I’m not sure it makes me feel anything other than vindicated in wanting O’Neill out. We played Sparrow who is a youth player and not a first teamer, the rest are which is the point, it’s not a second string anything, it’s players from the first team, not reserves. We made 8 changes from the side that played in the league, which is clearly our priority. Not saying we shouldn’t have beaten morecambe with that side, I think we should. But to argue it was our first choice eleven? Seriously, I get that you want the manager out but don’t be so desperate that you resort to making things up, cheapens any real arguments you do have The only person making stuff up is you saying they’re our reserves, which they aren’t. You then tried to wriggle out of it saying you used the wrong vernacular, but I think you possibly tried to make an excuse which backfired. In terms of real arguments, we should’ve beaten Morcambe with that side, but didn’t, I don’t need to make more of an argument than that!
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 10, 2022 18:54:06 GMT
Fox really is pants, although Bayern rates him (okay Bayern, as a left back I know), but he's scared of the ball or being in possession. His confidence is possibly shattered but as soon as we get a left footed centre back in we need to try and loan him out. Is there any club who'd want him, seriously? Sshhhh! They’re listening 😳
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 11, 2022 0:55:40 GMT
How did Sparrow play, did he look like he was getting to grips with the position?
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Post by s7oke on Aug 11, 2022 3:42:45 GMT
If my auntie had a cock she would be my uncle And if we had won and the vale had won we would have been playing them It’s a conspiracy I tell thee 😂😂
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Post by felonious on Aug 11, 2022 7:02:43 GMT
We made 8 changes from the side that played in the league, which is clearly our priority. Not saying we shouldn’t have beaten morecambe with that side, I think we should. But to argue it was our first choice eleven? Seriously, I get that you want the manager out but don’t be so desperate that you resort to making things up, cheapens any real arguments you do have The only person making stuff up is you saying they’re our reserves, which they aren’t. You then tried to wriggle out of it saying you used the wrong vernacular, but I think you possibly tried to make an excuse which backfired. In terms of real arguments, we should’ve beaten Morcambe with that side, but didn’t, I don’t need to make more of an argument than that! Interestingly after the match on Saturday he said he'd made two changes from the Millwall game but it could have been many more. Presumably these "many more" changes would have come from those who played against Morecambe.
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Post by a on Aug 11, 2022 7:06:02 GMT
The only person making stuff up is you saying they’re our reserves, which they aren’t. You then tried to wriggle out of it saying you used the wrong vernacular, but I think you possibly tried to make an excuse which backfired. In terms of real arguments, we should’ve beaten Morcambe with that side, but didn’t, I don’t need to make more of an argument than that! Interestingly after the match on Saturday he said he'd made two changes from the Millwall game but it could have been many more. Presumably these "many more" changes would have come from those who played against Morecambe. That’s perfectly understandable given the quality of the opposition and the size of our squad. We have squad depth to enable us to play a 46 game season plus cup games. That team should’ve turned Morecambe over no problem, however it didn’t.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 11, 2022 7:12:42 GMT
Did Morecambe play their first choice side?
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