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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 25, 2023 10:22:04 GMT
Not sure about this one, most of the Ipswich comments are that he can be magical but is invisible too often. Certainly don’t want to be seen to pour cold water on any signing before I’ve seen the player play on a consistent basis. However at 26 he seems to be well travelled, notable loans and playing in Turkey? If he joins hope he does us a job |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 25, 2023 10:25:30 GMT
Not sure about this one, most of the Ipswich comments are that he can be magical but is invisible too often. Suppose it just depends how often his magicalness turns into hard output. Flair players (if that’s what he is) are very rarely consistent 7/10 performers. They’re pretty necessary to raise the game to something above the functional. Nick Powell is a flair player who’s ability translates into hard output even though he often frustrates those who crave the percentage game. I can’t say the stat of 1000 minutes for 1 goal and 1 assist are encouraging. All managers pick players on the basis of percentages. If a flair player is 80% effective 50% of the time their overall effectiveness on the pitch is better than a steady Eddie who is 39% effective 100% of the time and less effective than steady Eddie who is 41% effective 100% of the time. In the former case every manager will pick the flair player in the former case and the steady Eddie in the second. Managers are interested in outcomes and the overall judgement they make on a player is based on the balance between how consistent they are compared with their impact when on song. A flair player with poor consistency won't get picked and neither will a steady Eddie who doesn't make much difference even if they are always playing their best. Only fans choose flair players before percentage players as a matter of principle. Managers make judgements on sporting criteria, not aesthetics. |
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Post by questionable on Jan 25, 2023 10:26:09 GMT
Still firmly of the opinion that external factors and non playing staff are influencing transfers Based on what? Something that I was told (yes I know) a few years back and it’s a thought that always comes to mind when our latest managers always seem to revisit old transfer targets. Be interesting to see who is agent is |
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 25, 2023 10:26:15 GMT
Another one I’ve never heard of. He any good? Still firmly of the opinion that external factors and non playing staff are influencing transfers Based on nothing but an agenda? |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 25, 2023 10:27:52 GMT
Something that I was told (yes I know) a few years back and it’s a thought that always comes to mind when our latest managers always seem to revisit old transfer targets. Be interesting to see who is agent is Which players specifically are you saying we forced on managers who didn't want them? Neil has come here primarily because he gets more control over everything. Neil himself is a fan of the player and tried to sign him for Preston? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 25, 2023 10:46:14 GMT
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Post by crowey on Jan 25, 2023 10:52:40 GMT
Not sure about this one, most of the Ipswich comments are that he can be magical but is invisible too often. …. Powell mark two. What’s his injury record like? |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2023 10:54:02 GMT
Smallbone, Sterling, Kilkenny, Celina, Sarkic
So that's it for loans until Kilkenny is potentially moved on then?
International loans seem to count in the same way as domestic in the max 5 in matchday squad, and Neil has said he doesn't want to pay people to sit in the stands, so doubt we'll have more than 5
At least with maxing out the loans, we aren't committed beyond the summer, and it adds to the clearing of the decks feel to this summer where we can really have a clean slate, and potentially only go back to Sarkic or Celina (or Sterling) if they impress
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 25, 2023 10:55:07 GMT
I liked the idea of him signing when he was linked last time, should add a bit of zip to our forward play. Aren't him and Smallbone similar type player's?.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 25, 2023 10:57:45 GMT
I would be amazed if Kilkenny were here much longer.
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 25, 2023 10:58:39 GMT
Smallbone, Sterling, Kilkenny, Celina, Sarkic So that's it for loans until Kilkenny is potentially moved on then? International loans seem to count in the same way as domestic in the max 5 in matchday squad, and Neil has said he doesn't want to pay people to sit in the stands, so doubt we'll have more than 5 At least with maxing out the loans, we aren't committed beyond the summer, and it adds to the clearing of the decks feel to this summer where we can really have a clean slate, and potentially only go back to Sarkic or Celina (or Sterling) if they impress Begs the question as to who our permanent signings would be. If any. |
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Jan 25, 2023 11:03:54 GMT
Like the look of him. Decent age, attack minded flare player who looks to shoot. Definately looks like an AM.
Reminds me of a similar type of player to Shaq.
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Post by idle on Jan 25, 2023 11:12:04 GMT
Will he get a work permit though? It doesn't seem that he played for Kosovo in 2022.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2023 11:16:44 GMT
Will he get a work permit though? It doesn't seem that he played for Kosovo in 2022. Seems to just sneak one. You need 15 points to get one without an appeal - and his appearances in the Turkish league based on % of minutes played and standard of league played in give him 16 according to this site www.transferroom.com/gbe |
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Post by David Brent on Jan 25, 2023 11:17:53 GMT
Like the look of him. Decent age, attack minded flare player who looks to shoot. Definately looks like an AM. Reminds me of a similar type of player to Shaq. Shaqiri from wish |
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 25, 2023 11:18:56 GMT
Smallbone, Sterling, Kilkenny, Celina, Sarkic So that's it for loans until Kilkenny is potentially moved on then? International loans seem to count in the same way as domestic in the max 5 in matchday squad, and Neil has said he doesn't want to pay people to sit in the stands, so doubt we'll have more than 5 At least with maxing out the loans, we aren't committed beyond the summer, and it adds to the clearing of the decks feel to this summer where we can really have a clean slate, and potentially only go back to Sarkic or Celina (or Sterling) if they impress Smallbone: stays unless NP sick note runs out anytime soon and, god forbid, he makes a run of appearances. Sterling: albeit not paid to sit in the stands but is being for sitting in the treatment room. If there was an option who could actually stay fit, sure AN would swap him. Kilkenny: see Sterling and / or AN cannot fancy him? Got to be an exit surely. So if we keep Harry (and there are two available and viable options) can see x2 outs and x2 more loans in. |
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Post by oldspeckledben on Jan 25, 2023 11:21:10 GMT
Assuming Celina and Sarkic both speak Albanian (despite being brought up in Norway and England respectively) due to their parents native tongue... Could be a good thing to get them settled potentially?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 25, 2023 11:33:53 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-sarkic-celina-8071067Capable of the unexpected with a neat touch, he was on Stoke's radar last summer but didn't qualify for a work permit because his appearances for Ipswich had come in League One. Half-a-season playing in the Turkish top flight means that the Kosovo international is now set to pass the Home Office's points-based system. He has scored once in 12 starts and six sub appearances at Kasimpasa, 14th in Super Lig, and has largely featured on the left rather than his preferred position - and he makes it no secret that it is his preferred position - as a number 10. Will Smallbone and Nick Powell have largely shared the attacking midfield role for Stoke this term.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 11:36:46 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-sarkic-celina-8071067Capable of the unexpected with a neat touch, he was on Stoke's radar last summer but didn't qualify for a work permit because his appearances for Ipswich had come in League One. Half-a-season playing in the Turkish top flight means that the Kosovo international is now set to pass the Home Office's points-based system. He has scored once in 12 starts and six sub appearances at Kasimpasa, 14th in Super Lig, and has largely featured on the left rather than his preferred position - and he makes it no secret that it is his preferred position - as a number 10. Will Smallbone and Nick Powell have largely shared the attacking midfield role for Stoke this term. Stupid system. Can’t play in England because he’s played in England, but it doesn’t count. Has to go to a different country and oh, now he can play in England. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 25, 2023 11:38:22 GMT
A lot of these foreign players all sound much the same to me. Celina could equally be named Traore for all the difference I would know.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 25, 2023 11:42:32 GMT
The tequila song can be adapted for Celina just like Arsenal have done for Saliba
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jan 25, 2023 11:50:18 GMT
As someone who grew up on Gudjon Thordarson's transfer strategy I'm fucking delighted to see us signing strangely-named foreign players I know nothing about. Hopefully we can get a deal done for players with names like Bas Buust, Flavio Cinderella, Bristol Frederiks and Xin Xue.
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Post by walrus on Jan 25, 2023 11:53:16 GMT
Assuming Celina and Sarkic both speak Albanian (despite being brought up in Norway and England respectively) due to their parents native tongue... Could be a good thing to get them settled potentially? Bit of a stretch. Sarkic is from Grimsby and Celina doubtless speaks good English having played here for several years. No need for them to form some sort of Balkan mafia. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jan 25, 2023 11:59:47 GMT
Suppose it just depends how often his magicalness turns into hard output. Flair players (if that’s what he is) are very rarely consistent 7/10 performers. They’re pretty necessary to raise the game to something above the functional. Nick Powell is a flair player who’s ability translates into hard output even though he often frustrates those who crave the percentage game. I can’t say the stat of 1000 minutes for 1 goal and 1 assist are encouraging. All managers pick players on the basis of percentages. If a flair player is 80% effective 50% of the time their overall effectiveness on the pitch is better than a steady Eddie who is 39% effective 100% of the time and less effective than steady Eddie who is 41% effective 100% of the time. In the former case every manager will pick the flair player in the former case and the steady Eddie in the second. Managers are interested in outcomes and the overall judgement they make on a player is based on the balance between how consistent they are compared with their impact when on song. A flair player with poor consistency won't get picked and neither will a steady Eddie who doesn't make much difference even if they are always playing their best. Only fans choose flair players before percentage players as a matter of principle. Managers make judgements on sporting criteria, not aesthetics. I disagree to an extent it's not only strictly fans that choose the flair player before percentage player but the neutral spectator too. In short the people who finance the game. It's an aspiration and entertainment driven sport and dull does not sell tickets or tv subscriptions a fact of which I'm sure most if not all club owners are aware hence the dearth of purely functional football managers and coaches in employment in this era. You can say it's a bucket and it holds water as many times as you want it doesn't bode well for your future as a bucket salesman. The purely functional doesn't support the multi billion £ entertainment industry that is English football. |
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 25, 2023 11:59:48 GMT
Walrus: "Sarkic is from Grimsby and Celina doubtless speaks good English."
So we just need the interpretor for Sarkic then?
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Post by lordb on Jan 25, 2023 12:11:41 GMT
So Andy Cousins is still here then and still has a bit of traction, or the new lads are still using the old scouting material? Very interesting. could be either or could be as simple as same clubs looking at same players |
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Post by TinkerT on Jan 25, 2023 12:17:43 GMT
The tequila song can be adapted for Celina just like Arsenal have done for Saliba I'd rather wank myself off with broken glass. THE worst song in football and it sums arsenal up, cringing like fuck. |
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 25, 2023 13:13:15 GMT
I haven’t seen a first touch like that since the BMX days. |
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Post by thehoof on Jan 25, 2023 13:14:11 GMT
Suppose it just depends how often his magicalness turns into hard output. Flair players (if that’s what he is) are very rarely consistent 7/10 performers. They’re pretty necessary to raise the game to something above the functional. Nick Powell is a flair player who’s ability translates into hard output even though he often frustrates those who crave the percentage game. I can’t say the stat of 1000 minutes for 1 goal and 1 assist are encouraging. All managers pick players on the basis of percentages. If a flair player is 80% effective 50% of the time their overall effectiveness on the pitch is better than a steady Eddie who is 39% effective 100% of the time and less effective than steady Eddie who is 41% effective 100% of the time. In the former case every manager will pick the flair player in the former case and the steady Eddie in the second. Managers are interested in outcomes and the overall judgement they make on a player is based on the balance between how consistent they are compared with their impact when on song. A flair player with poor consistency won't get picked and neither will a steady Eddie who doesn't make much difference even if they are always playing their best. Only fans choose flair players before percentage players as a matter of principle. Managers make judgements on sporting criteria, not aesthetics. You are correct , but given that there are only 92 league managers out of which at most 13 have a successful year ( promotion or cups), a lot of them fail going down the steady eddy path. |
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