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Post by ceejays on Jul 12, 2022 16:21:35 GMT
To Napoli for £4.2m . Mystery as to why he fell out at Stoke ? Cost Brighton £100k and never played a match in their first team
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 16:40:46 GMT
To Napoli for £4.2m . Mystery as to why he fell out at Stoke ? Cost Brighton £100k and never played a match in their first team The cult of MON and he wasn’t in it. Doesn’t have to be football related he only wants to deal with players he likes working with. It’s a very limited version of management be interesting to see how it went down in the real world. |
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Post by nott1 on Jul 12, 2022 16:42:35 GMT
To Napoli for £4.2m . Mystery as to why he fell out at Stoke ? Cost Brighton £100k and never played a match in their first team The cult of MON and he wasn’t in it. Doesn’t have to be football related he only wants to deal with players he likes working with. It’s a very limited version of management be interesting to see how it went down in the real world. Mon probably has high standards and he has now got rid of the dross! |
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Post by Gods on Jul 12, 2022 16:44:37 GMT
Blimey, Brighton have effectively printed 4 million quid!
Never even had to watch him play!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2022 16:46:20 GMT
Excellent move for him.
I thought he was overrated but the ones that came in after him worse.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 16:46:26 GMT
The cult of MON and he wasn’t in it. Doesn’t have to be football related he only wants to deal with players he likes working with. It’s a very limited version of management be interesting to see how it went down in the real world. Mon probably has high standards and he has now got rid of the dross! I’m sure he’ll soon find some more. Modern day people just won’t be managed by some god like figure who whatever he says goes. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 16:48:33 GMT
Excellent move for him. I thought he was overrated but the ones that came in after him worse. His persona seemed to irritate people more than his football, pathetic. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 12, 2022 16:50:11 GMT
Thought he was easily good enough for us. Baffling by O’Neill at a time when the defence looked alright.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2022 16:52:07 GMT
Excellent move for him. I thought he was overrated but the ones that came in after him worse. His persona seemed to irritate people more than his football, pathetic. He just seemed very average to me and the beating chest stuff masked a lot of mediocrity. His passing was poor and he just wasn’t the level you’d hope for from a PL loan. Perfectly fine but nothing more. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 16:56:16 GMT
His persona seemed to irritate people more than his football, pathetic. He just seemed very average to me and the beating chest stuff masked a lot of mediocrity. His passing was poor and he just wasn’t the level you’d hope for from a PL loan. Perfectly fine but nothing more. Solid committed and pro active with the odd mistake in him. Very adequate for our needs. He was far happier with THB who made more mistakes but had a different type of persona. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 12, 2022 17:01:07 GMT
Excellent move for him. I thought he was overrated but the ones that came in after him worse. His persona seemed to irritate people more than his football, pathetic. Personality is quite important in a team sport and being over arrogant as he appeared to be suggests someone who wouldn't accept criticism or advice and therefore would be difficult to coach. If he annoyed fans imagine what he must have done to team mates and coaching staff. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 12, 2022 17:03:02 GMT
To Napoli for £4.2m . Mystery as to why he fell out at Stoke ? Cost Brighton £100k and never played a match in their first team The cult of MON and he wasn’t in it. Doesn’t have to be football related he only wants to deal with players he likes working with. It’s a very limited version of management be interesting to see how it went down in the real world. Nor was he in the cult of Graham Potter it would seem. He wouldn't even play him when he had no available centre halves. Stop blaming MON for everything. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 17:06:26 GMT
His persona seemed to irritate people more than his football, pathetic. Personality is quite important in a team sport and being over arrogant as he appeared to be suggests someone who wouldn't accept criticism or advice and therefore would be difficult to coach. If he annoyed fans imagine what he must have done to team mates and coaching staff. That’s a very limiting view how would they get on with an Arnie for instance. Good management is certainly not only being able to work with people of a certain persona. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 17:11:09 GMT
The cult of MON and he wasn’t in it. Doesn’t have to be football related he only wants to deal with players he likes working with. It’s a very limited version of management be interesting to see how it went down in the real world. Nor was he in the cult of Graham Potter it would seem. He wouldn't even play him when he had no available centre halves. Stop blaming MON for everything. Potter may well have thought he wasn’t good enough for the level. He was certainly good enough for the championship. I have no idea whether his persona was a problem to Potter but can only conclude it was for MON as it certainly wasn’t football related, he was better than everything he tried to replace him with. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 17:24:48 GMT
Personality is quite important in a team sport and being over arrogant as he appeared to be suggests someone who wouldn't accept criticism or advice and therefore would be difficult to coach. If he annoyed fans imagine what he must have done to team mates and coaching staff. That’s a very limiting view how would they get on with an Arnie for instance. Good management is certainly not only being able to work with people of a certain persona. You might make exceptions for a talent such as Arnie or Fuller but not a bog standard player like Ostigaard. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2022 17:44:31 GMT
His persona seemed to irritate people more than his football, pathetic. Personality is quite important in a team sport and being over arrogant as he appeared to be suggests someone who wouldn't accept criticism or advice and therefore would be difficult to coach. If he annoyed fans imagine what he must have done to team mates and coaching staff. But it’s worked for him. The arrogance doesn’t bother me. He’s moved to much a better club than ours. His arrogance was well placed. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 12, 2022 17:45:14 GMT
Personality is quite important in a team sport and being over arrogant as he appeared to be suggests someone who wouldn't accept criticism or advice and therefore would be difficult to coach. If he annoyed fans imagine what he must have done to team mates and coaching staff. That’s a very limiting view how would they get on with an Arnie for instance. Good management is certainly not only being able to work with people of a certain persona. As I understood it Arnie was quite popular in the changing room and his talent, age and clubs he'd played for justified his arrogance. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 12, 2022 17:49:32 GMT
Nor was he in the cult of Graham Potter it would seem. He wouldn't even play him when he had no available centre halves. Stop blaming MON for everything. Potter may well have thought he wasn’t good enough for the level. He was certainly good enough for the championship. I have no idea whether his persona was a problem to Potter but can only conclude it was for MON as it certainly wasn’t football related, he was better than everything he tried to replace him with. He wasn't very keen to play him as the only fit centre half available so I suspect he didn't like what he saw in training. At least MON is prepared to give Duhaney a run out in similar circumstances. Why can you make assumptions about MON but not Potter who refused to even give him a try? |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 17:49:53 GMT
That’s a very limiting view how would they get on with an Arnie for instance. Good management is certainly not only being able to work with people of a certain persona. As I understood it Arnie was quite popular in the changing room and his talent, age and clubs he'd played for justified his arrogance. Sounds like bullshit. We got what we did out of him because his persona/arrogance was tolerated. The persona came way before the output. Disqualifying people on persona is logically very limiting. |
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jul 12, 2022 17:49:57 GMT
To Napoli for £4.2m . Mystery as to why he fell out at Stoke ? Cost Brighton £100k and never played a match in their first team The cult of MON and he wasn’t in it. Doesn’t have to be football related he only wants to deal with players he likes working with. It’s a very limited version of management be interesting to see how it went down in the real world. Potter must be same them? |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 17:52:02 GMT
Potter may well have thought he wasn’t good enough for the level. He was certainly good enough for the championship. I have no idea whether his persona was a problem to Potter but can only conclude it was for MON as it certainly wasn’t football related, he was better than everything he tried to replace him with. He wasn't very keen to play him as the only fit centre half available so I suspect he didn't like what he saw in training. At least MON is prepared to give Duhaney a run out in similar circumstances. Why can you make assumptions about MON but not Potter who refused to even give him a try? Because I can see MON does the same with other players who fall foul of him and think it a completely outdated way of managing people. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 12, 2022 17:56:38 GMT
As I understood it Arnie was quite popular in the changing room and his talent, age and clubs he'd played for justified his arrogance. Sounds like bullshit. We got what we did out of him because his persona/arrogance was tolerated. The persona came way before the output. Disqualifying people on persona is logically very limiting. So if you were a team mate of Ostigard you would accept his arrogance without comment? Arnie was tolerated because the rest of the team knew that he was talented and without him we would not have won half the matches we did. Ostigard didn't have that sort of talent but acted like he did. I remember Mike Pejic talking about James Beattie and the flash car he drove saying the rest of the team could accept that because of the effort he put in and the fact that it was obvious that his talent merited his showing off. He said that if an average player drove that sort of car there would be resentment in the changing room. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 18:11:45 GMT
Sounds like bullshit. We got what we did out of him because his persona/arrogance was tolerated. The persona came way before the output. Disqualifying people on persona is logically very limiting. So if you were a team mate of Ostigard you would accept his arrogance without comment? Arnie was tolerated because the rest of the team knew that he was talented and without him we would not have won half the matches we did. Ostigard didn't have that sort of talent but acted like he did. I remember Mike Pejic talking about James Beattie and the flash car he drove saying the rest of the team could accept that because of the effort he put in and the fact that it was obvious that his talent merited his showing off. He said that if an average player drove that sort of car there would be resentment in the changing room. You seem to forget that Arnie wasn’t even an automatic starter when he arrived at the club. Other managers had seen the ability but not been able to tolerate/integrate it into their team. If what you perceive as arrogance wasn’t tolerated you never get the output out of him we got. People have different persona it’s pretty damning if you can’t manage people of a certain persona or can only manage people with a particular persona. |
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Post by wakeypotter on Jul 12, 2022 18:38:01 GMT
His persona seemed to irritate people more than his football, pathetic. Personality is quite important in a team sport and being over arrogant as he appeared to be suggests someone who wouldn't accept criticism or advice and therefore would be difficult to coach. If he annoyed fans imagine what he must have done to team mates and coaching staff. Never realised he annoyed fans. We were poor when he left that’s for sure |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 12, 2022 19:14:49 GMT
So if you were a team mate of Ostigard you would accept his arrogance without comment? Arnie was tolerated because the rest of the team knew that he was talented and without him we would not have won half the matches we did. Ostigard didn't have that sort of talent but acted like he did. I remember Mike Pejic talking about James Beattie and the flash car he drove saying the rest of the team could accept that because of the effort he put in and the fact that it was obvious that his talent merited his showing off. He said that if an average player drove that sort of car there would be resentment in the changing room. You seem to forget that Arnie wasn’t even an automatic starter when he arrived at the club. Other managers had seen the ability but not been able to tolerate/integrate it into their team. If what you perceive as arrogance wasn’t tolerated you never get the output out of him we got. People have different persona it’s pretty damning if you can’t manage people of a certain persona or can only manage people with a particular persona. I haven't forgotten because it didn't happen. From when he joined in early September he played all but one game up till Christmas missing the Everton game with a hamstring injury. Suspiciously he was ill over Christmas missing the Boxing Day game and sitting on the bench twice. From then until the end of the season he played every game. Players do have different persona and judging MON on his handling of Ostigard is a bit weird. The only other players to have suffered apart from Ostigard were Edwards who alledgedly was nothing but trouble and Surridge whose problems settling in at Stoke are well documented. Of course there are personality clashes but if the manager wants to be respected he has to lay down the rules and discipline players accordingly. I see it as a positive trait that he can come to decisions quickly about players and isn't afraid to get rid. It's best for the club and the players concerned. Every manager has favourites and nine times out of ten I would imagine they are the ones who willingly carry out instructions and play to the best of their ability not necessarily the star players or even the best players. If someone else can get a tune out of the ones he let's go because of personality lashes so be it, they were never going to do it for him. Arrogance comes over in different ways. For example I imagine Campbell can be quite arrogant but MON has no problem with him and he has no issues with being asked to play out of position or being dropped. |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 12, 2022 19:19:42 GMT
So if you were a team mate of Ostigard you would accept his arrogance without comment? Arnie was tolerated because the rest of the team knew that he was talented and without him we would not have won half the matches we did. Ostigard didn't have that sort of talent but acted like he did. I remember Mike Pejic talking about James Beattie and the flash car he drove saying the rest of the team could accept that because of the effort he put in and the fact that it was obvious that his talent merited his showing off. He said that if an average player drove that sort of car there would be resentment in the changing room. You seem to forget that Arnie wasn’t even an automatic starter when he arrived at the club. Other managers had seen the ability but not been able to tolerate/integrate it into their team. If what you perceive as arrogance wasn’t tolerated you never get the output out of him we got. People have different persona it’s pretty damning if you can’t manage people of a certain persona or can only manage people with a particular persona. He started 29 of his first 32 Premier League games. In his second season he was in and out of the starting line up for a period but some of that was attributed to knocks he picked up…. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jul 12, 2022 19:26:43 GMT
You seem to forget that Arnie wasn’t even an automatic starter when he arrived at the club. Other managers had seen the ability but not been able to tolerate/integrate it into their team. If what you perceive as arrogance wasn’t tolerated you never get the output out of him we got. People have different persona it’s pretty damning if you can’t manage people of a certain persona or can only manage people with a particular persona. He started 29 of his first 32 Premier League games. In his second season he was in and out of the starting line up for a period but some of that was attributed to knocks he picked up…. OK that’s probably the period I remember but also his persona had been an issue at his previous clubs. Even Mourinho had things to say about it. If you’re Inter Milan maybe you can afford to miss out on precocious talent because you don’t like the attitude that comes with it. We’re not Inter Milan and were very well served by letting Arnie be Arnie. |
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Post by theonlooker on Jul 12, 2022 19:53:09 GMT
I've been sat here wondering, and trying to work out if that fee is a bargain or not, and how the hell he's ended up at Napoli?
I want his agent.
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Post by ceejays on Jul 12, 2022 19:55:02 GMT
If Ostigaard was not good enough for us (Bayern) then why is he being bought to replace Koulibay who is said to b going to Chelsea for £40m ? Napoli were impressed by his displays for Genoa who incidentally were relegated. All teams have their arrogant players. Powell is ours atm .
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 12, 2022 20:08:55 GMT
If Ostigaard was not good enough for us (Bayern) then why is he being bought to replace Koulibay who is said to b going to Chelsea for £40m ? Napoli were impressed by his displays for Genoa who incidentally were relegated. All teams have their arrogant players. Powell is ours atm . I’ve said his arrogance didn’t bother me and he was part of our best defence last season. But he didn’t look anything special, far from. Ordinary footballer and ok defender. Well done to him for the move though. |
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