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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 11:22:05 GMT
It was a bit tongue in cheek ,and not really talking about the ones in the academy ,but the thousands of fatties wobbling around schools and the ever decreasing pool of talent due to this! If anything in my experience winning has become too important in school football. It used to be that anyone who wanted to play for school would be included at least for some minutes in some games. Now it seems to be that the best players are always picked even if in a younger age group because winning has become so important. Group activities are important for a youngster, but so is accepting that you are not as good as others and moving on/taking the initiative to apply for and create a ‘B’ team. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Jul 25, 2022 16:53:07 GMT
If anything in my experience winning has become too important in school football. It used to be that anyone who wanted to play for school would be included at least for some minutes in some games. Now it seems to be that the best players are always picked even if in a younger age group because winning has become so important. If picking a team to play matches against other schools I think it's best to pick your best team. When I played I would not want duffers in the team it was important to win! Agree but I do think school sport should be for everybody. The good players join teams outside school to play to a higher standard but especially at a primary and younger secondary there are a lot of boys who would like to play but would not get into a weekend team. These boys/ girls should be given the opportunity at school even if only for a few minutes or internal matches and gifted children need to learn to accept not everybody is as good as them and to help and encourage them, an important social skill. What really annoys me is when children from a younger year group are included in school teams at the expense of older boys because the PE teacher thinks they give the team more of a chance of winning. My son, a July birthday and being very slight always struggled physically in his year group until he reached 16. Once he caught up physically with the boys who were almost a year older than him he became one of the better players in the team and started winning POY trophies. When 13 though his school team reached the county final with him playing every round. The PE teacher then decided to drop him for the final in favour of a boy in the year below who was large for his age and admittedly a more gifted footballer who the teacher felt would give them a better chance of winning. It backfired though as it upset my son's friends as well as him and the team got thrashed anyway. School football should not all be about winning. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2022 11:07:17 GMT
As does bringing in loanees, which the manager, who said upon coming here that he was against the loan system because of bad experiences he had in his own career, has been exceptionally keen on doing. So which loanee blocked Porter's route to the first team? I wasn't aware we'd made any midfield loans. As I said before if you're good enough you get in the team. Porter was given his chance early season in cup games and didn't take it then went on loan and didn't particularly shine at non league level. He's twenty. As I said somewhere else by now he should be pushing for a place at least in the match day squad which he isn't. Not long ago we had Baker, Vrancic, Sawyers, Thompson and Powell all injured and unavailable yet chose to go without a midfielder on the bench rather than include him. Accept he's not getting anywhere at Stoke and let him get another club where he can play regularly at a higher level than U23. It's nonsense to say the club are being lazy, they will be helping to find the next club for him. The harsh reality is that only a few academy graduates ever make it at the club where they trained. Keeping him at Stoke for another year just makes him another year older and competing with younger players of the same experience for a contract at another club and makes it more difficult for him. From the academy point of view keeping him blocks a place at U23 level for younger players. There is no room for sentimentality where young players are concerned. If anyone can name a young player we've released (not Sanko who chose to go) who has gone on to play regularly at or above our level I will be surprised. Spot on Again, facts getting in the way of people's agendas. |
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Post by nodders on Jul 26, 2022 11:43:07 GMT
Ben Brereton ?  |
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Post by Gawa on Aug 29, 2022 14:38:50 GMT
Has he made any appearances in league Two yet this season.
Noticed that Clive Clarke is his agent too.
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Post by spitthedog on Aug 29, 2022 14:43:11 GMT
Has he made any appearances in league Two yet this season. Noticed that Clive Clarke is his agent too. unused sub on Saturday don't think he's featured in any of their games yet. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 14:52:54 GMT
Has he made any appearances in league Two yet this season. Noticed that Clive Clarke is his agent too. unused sub on Saturday don't think he's featured in any of their games yet. He looked way off the mark for us. However, if he’s on the bench for them, at least he has a chance to make it in. It’s a long season and if he’s close to the team, then he’ll get his chance soon enough. |
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Post by lordb on Aug 29, 2022 17:11:33 GMT
unused sub on Saturday don't think he's featured in any of their games yet. He looked way off the mark for us. However, if he’s on the bench for them, at least he has a chance to make it in. It’s a long season and if he’s close to the team, then he’ll get his chance soon enough. Salford started strong too, harder to break into a winning side |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2022 14:48:20 GMT
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Post by newsteadst3 on Oct 21, 2022 16:09:25 GMT
That the same level on pyramid as Stafford Rangers and Nantwich? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 21, 2022 16:12:02 GMT
That the same level on pyramid as Stafford Rangers and Nantwich? Southern league premier so are they Northern league premier? |
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Post by newsteadst3 on Oct 21, 2022 16:13:36 GMT
That the same level on pyramid as Stafford Rangers and Nantwich? Southern league premier so are they Northern league premier? Yeah seems about right |
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Post by prestwichpotter on Feb 17, 2023 17:04:31 GMT
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Post by Trouserdog on Feb 17, 2023 19:06:37 GMT
If picking a team to play matches against other schools I think it's best to pick your best team. When I played I would not want duffers in the team it was important to win! Agree but I do think school sport should be for everybody. The good players join teams outside school to play to a higher standard but especially at a primary and younger secondary there are a lot of boys who would like to play but would not get into a weekend team. These boys/ girls should be given the opportunity at school even if only for a few minutes or internal matches and gifted children need to learn to accept not everybody is as good as them and to help and encourage them, an important social skill. What really annoys me is when children from a younger year group are included in school teams at the expense of older boys because the PE teacher thinks they give the team more of a chance of winning. My son, a July birthday and being very slight always struggled physically in his year group until he reached 16. Once he caught up physically with the boys who were almost a year older than him he became one of the better players in the team and started winning POY trophies. When 13 though his school team reached the county final with him playing every round. The PE teacher then decided to drop him for the final in favour of a boy in the year below who was large for his age and admittedly a more gifted footballer who the teacher felt would give them a better chance of winning. It backfired though as it upset my son's friends as well as him and the team got thrashed anyway. School football should not all be about winning. Weekend teams are where the less gifted footballers get the chance to play in teams and experience the game at the correct level for them. (The league my lad plays in on a Sunday has 9 or 10 tiers- the top division has plenty of players who are close to academy standard, the bottom division probably more suited to those just starting out etc). There's a team out there for everyone. School games lessons are where everyone gets to play, and there'll be a football club running after school where all abilities play. The school team though should be for those who deserve to play based on ability. |
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 18, 2023 0:33:10 GMT
Agree but I do think school sport should be for everybody. The good players join teams outside school to play to a higher standard but especially at a primary and younger secondary there are a lot of boys who would like to play but would not get into a weekend team. These boys/ girls should be given the opportunity at school even if only for a few minutes or internal matches and gifted children need to learn to accept not everybody is as good as them and to help and encourage them, an important social skill. What really annoys me is when children from a younger year group are included in school teams at the expense of older boys because the PE teacher thinks they give the team more of a chance of winning. My son, a July birthday and being very slight always struggled physically in his year group until he reached 16. Once he caught up physically with the boys who were almost a year older than him he became one of the better players in the team and started winning POY trophies. When 13 though his school team reached the county final with him playing every round. The PE teacher then decided to drop him for the final in favour of a boy in the year below who was large for his age and admittedly a more gifted footballer who the teacher felt would give them a better chance of winning. It backfired though as it upset my son's friends as well as him and the team got thrashed anyway. School football should not all be about winning. Weekend teams are where the less gifted footballers get the chance to play in teams and experience the game at the correct level for them. (The league my lad plays in on a Sunday has 9 or 10 tiers- the top division has plenty of players who are close to academy standard, the bottom division probably more suited to those just starting out etc). There's a team out there for everyone. School games lessons are where everyone gets to play, and there'll be a football club running after school where all abilities play. The school team though should be for those who deserve to play based on ability. A lot of children don't have parents prepared/able to run their children to matches and training every week or able to afford the subs and match fees to play. School sport should be for everyone and whilst I agree a school team should be competitive I think opportunity should also be given to the odd child who shows effort and enthusiasm but doesn't quite have the ability to match. A lot of school matches are friendlies anyway. I believe in competition but I also believe in inclusion and there has to be a balance at school. |
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Post by newsteadst3 on Apr 15, 2023 6:26:06 GMT
Any update on how his careers progressing?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 11:22:58 GMT
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 20, 2024 15:16:54 GMT
Just signed for Leek Town.
Was never going to good enough, but check out the number of people criticising the club earlier in the thread for not giving him a chance, releasing him etc.
The jump from youth football to first team in the Championship is enormous. We have to remember that with the likes of Tezgel, Lowe, Sidibe, Dixon, Anderson etc.
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Post by newsteadst3 on Aug 20, 2024 16:19:18 GMT
Just signed for Leek Town. Was never going to good enough, but check out the number of people criticising the club earlier in the thread for not giving him a chance, releasing him etc. The jump from youth football to first team in the Championship is enormous. We have to remember that with the likes of Tezgel, Lowe, Sidibe, Dixon, Anderson etc. Oli Shenton also signed for Leek? |
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Post by Marc01 on Aug 20, 2024 18:14:52 GMT
Just signed for Leek Town. Was never going to good enough, but check out the number of people criticising the club earlier in the thread for not giving him a chance, releasing him etc. The jump from youth football to first team in the Championship is enormous. We have to remember that with the likes of Tezgel, Lowe, Sidibe, Dixon, Anderson etc. It’s almost 10 years since Ollie Shenton made his debut for Stoke, according to this he’s at Leek Town also. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ollie_Shenton“Premier League reveal 97% of players who come through top academies never play a minute of top-flight football” “Of the 4,109 former academy footballers, 70 per cent were not even handed a professional contract at a Premier League or English Football League club. And only one in 10 has gone on to make more than 20 league appearances in the top four tiers of English football.” inews.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league-academy-players-figures-appearances-numbers-1387302?srsltid=AfmBOooGzdi2wsH-eJBlPD3nFOnUz4jJmk9WmFJX796Ipuifhul-xIYD |
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Post by a on Aug 20, 2024 20:32:23 GMT
Just signed for Leek Town. Was never going to good enough, but check out the number of people criticising the club earlier in the thread for not giving him a chance, releasing him etc. The jump from youth football to first team in the Championship is enormous. We have to remember that with the likes of Tezgel, Lowe, Sidibe, Dixon, Anderson etc. Sometimes people on the oatcake can’t see that not every academy player will make it. Such is the nature of football… |
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Post by baconburger on Aug 20, 2024 20:53:46 GMT
Should get him back. You can never have too many midfielders. Or so it seems
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Post by butlerstbob on Aug 20, 2024 21:19:00 GMT
He played well when he came on second half for Leek, has some flair pace and skill, should do well in this league given a run in the side!
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 20, 2024 22:16:56 GMT
Just signed for Leek Town. Was never going to good enough, but check out the number of people criticising the club earlier in the thread for not giving him a chance, releasing him etc. The jump from youth football to first team in the Championship is enormous. We have to remember that with the likes of Tezgel, Lowe, Sidibe, Dixon, Anderson etc. It’s not just some predetermined thing whether a player will be “good enough” though is it.. a huge amount comes down to small elements early in their careers.. maintaining focus at the right time, getting the opportunities, knowing best position, and a whole bundle of luck. Just because this particular player is where he is doesn’t mean he couldn’t have ended up at a way higher level under slightly tweaked circumstances. For every academy product that gets a good professional contract there’s probably a hundred others just as talented who don’t take the crucial step up at the right time |
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Post by DC1863 on Aug 20, 2024 22:43:08 GMT
He played well when he came on second half for Leek, has some flair pace and skill, should do well in this league given a run in the side! Still only 22, a good season or two at that level he could be picked up by a National League club before long. Good luck Adam. |
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 21, 2024 6:19:59 GMT
Just signed for Leek Town. Was never going to good enough, but check out the number of people criticising the club earlier in the thread for not giving him a chance, releasing him etc. The jump from youth football to first team in the Championship is enormous. We have to remember that with the likes of Tezgel, Lowe, Sidibe, Dixon, Anderson etc. It’s not just some predetermined thing whether a player will be “good enough” though is it.. a huge amount comes down to small elements early in their careers.. maintaining focus at the right time, getting the opportunities, knowing best position, and a whole bundle of luck. Just because this particular player is where he is doesn’t mean he couldn’t have ended up at a way higher level under slightly tweaked circumstances. For every academy product that gets a good professional contract there’s probably a hundred others just as talented who don’t take the crucial step up at the right time In some cases, I don't doubt there are players who, if circumstances had been different, would have made it. In most cases though- the vast majority-I'd argue that the players wouldn't ever have been good enough regardless of all other factors. It's easy to say that Player X or Y might have made it had they been given a chance earlier, the coaching been different etc, but it's impossible to prove. All we can go on is what actually happens to them, and in most cases, the club get it right. There'll always be the odd Brereton Diaz who slips through the net, but in most cases, the lads who people are demanding be given more chances end up playing part-time football. |
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Post by J-Roar on Aug 21, 2024 6:25:51 GMT
Just signed for Leek Town. Was never going to good enough, but check out the number of people criticising the club earlier in the thread for not giving him a chance, releasing him etc. The jump from youth football to first team in the Championship is enormous. We have to remember that with the likes of Tezgel, Lowe, Sidibe, Dixon, Anderson etc. Sometimes people on the oatcake can’t see that not every academy player will make it. Such is the nature of football… Some set the Belgian leagues alight though. |
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Post by a on Aug 21, 2024 6:32:32 GMT
Sometimes people on the oatcake can’t see that not every academy player will make it. Such is the nature of football… Some set the Belgian leagues alight though. That they do 😂 |
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Post by Parkhall Wanderer on Aug 21, 2024 21:18:56 GMT
He played well when he came on second half for Leek, has some flair pace and skill, should do well in this league given a run in the side! Hopefully he will start the next two games. Certainly made a difference last night when he came on. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on Aug 22, 2024 10:51:58 GMT
Just signed for Leek Town. Was never going to good enough, but check out the number of people criticising the club earlier in the thread for not giving him a chance, releasing him etc. The jump from youth football to first team in the Championship is enormous. We have to remember that with the likes of Tezgel, Lowe, Sidibe, Dixon, Anderson etc. It’s not just some predetermined thing whether a player will be “good enough” though is it.. a huge amount comes down to small elements early in their careers.. maintaining focus at the right time, getting the opportunities, knowing best position, and a whole bundle of luck. Just because this particular player is where he is doesn’t mean he couldn’t have ended up at a way higher level under slightly tweaked circumstances. For every academy product that gets a good professional contract there’s probably a hundred others just as talented who don’t take the crucial step up at the right time Absolutely spot on. Can't emphasis enough after watching my own lad's and others' journey just how much is down to luck, opportunity, face fitting, being in the right place at the right time, and perception/opinion. I've seen players way beyond others who don't get gigs for whatever reason, and vice versa. The environment in kids football can be a really cruel one - only this week my lad was offered a contract with a club only for them to go back on their word when I called to accept. Imagine picking the pieces of him up after that shattering news. Totally unacceptable (it wasn't Stoke btw) practice where a kid is involved. But resilience is one of the greatest traits that you can have - my lad will smash other doors down as he's that kind.....quiet, but hugely determined. Adam Porter and those like him have not failed or weren't good enough by ending up at Leek Town and the like - sometimes the stars don't align, especially when you are a footballer first and a running machine second. |
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