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Post by superalexneil on May 9, 2022 21:55:20 GMT
Released. Havent seen this mentioned anywhere?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2022 21:56:37 GMT
I mentioned it sneakily a few weeks back but no one picked up on it/cared. 😂
Shame, good footballer. Hope he can find a league club to carry on with.
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Post by superalexneil on May 9, 2022 21:57:24 GMT
Think hes league 2 at very best, unfortunately
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 9, 2022 22:00:05 GMT
Think hes league 2 at very best, unfortunately Just needs to add some physicality and he’ll be better than that. |
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Post by thewonderstuff on May 9, 2022 22:13:54 GMT
I'm sure being dropped for Clucas in several U23 games on the bounce brought him on a bundle.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 23:50:36 GMT
I'm sure being dropped for Clucas in several U23 games on the bounce brought him on a bundle. As much as I hate Clucas, at his worst he still looked more likely to do something than Porter in the early cup games. Sometimes you just have to keep players fit. |
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Post by knype on May 10, 2022 4:00:30 GMT
Shame if true, local lad who has been at the club since the age of 6, sadly agree with Bayern, needs more physicality to progress.
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Post by Trouserdog on May 10, 2022 4:16:59 GMT
Mustn't have done much on loan at Altrincham. At 20, there's still time for him to develop, but he didn't look anywhere near ready for Championship football, or even league football to be honest, when we saw in the cup games back at the start of the season.
Been with the club since 6. Must have done well again and again at each age group to be retained every year, but ultimately still wasn't good enough to make the grade. Shows how hard it is to make it as a professional footballer.
If he keeps at it though, you never know. Plenty of players have gone into non-league and bounced back later in the careers.
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Post by Gods on May 10, 2022 5:37:38 GMT
According to wiki he played 8 times for Altrincham, don't know if he was injured or not selected.
It's a cruel game for most. Still I'd like to be able to say 'I played for Stoke City once '
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2022 6:41:13 GMT
I'm sure being dropped for Clucas in several U23 games on the bounce brought him on a bundle. As much as I hate Clucas, at his worst he still looked more likely to do something than Porter in the early cup games. Sometimes you just have to keep players fit. Which is why there should be reserve team football in addition to U23 football |
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2022 6:41:29 GMT
According to wiki he played 8 times for Altrincham, don't know if he was injured or not selected. It's a cruel game for most. Still I'd like to be able to say 'I played for Stoke City once ' Short term loan |
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Post by flea79 on May 10, 2022 8:01:34 GMT
According to wiki he played 8 times for Altrincham, don't know if he was injured or not selected. It's a cruel game for most. Still I'd like to be able to say 'I played for Stoke City once ' Short term loan was going say he only went for 4 weeks, so did two games a week! |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 10:34:52 GMT
As much as I hate Clucas, at his worst he still looked more likely to do something than Porter in the early cup games. Sometimes you just have to keep players fit. Which is why there should be reserve team football in addition to U23 football Only if ffp structures were further relaxed. You’d need more training pitches, more coaches, physios etc, more players. |
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2022 11:18:09 GMT
Which is why there should be reserve team football in addition to U23 football Only if ffp structures were further relaxed. You’d need more training pitches, more coaches, physios etc, more players. Yes to all of that except more players We have lots of players, as does every club at the top two levels, who simply don't play, some of them for months at a time 20 or so reserve fixtures in a season would help with all that |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 11:40:47 GMT
Only if ffp structures were further relaxed. You’d need more training pitches, more coaches, physios etc, more players. Yes to all of that except more players We have lots of players, as does every club at the top two levels, who simply don't play, some of them for months at a time 20 or so reserve fixtures in a season would help with all that Could they not just manage them better? Arrange friendlies and include some of the U23s as well? Ideally that would benefit the U23s too. |
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Post by lordb on May 10, 2022 11:45:54 GMT
Yes to all of that except more players We have lots of players, as does every club at the top two levels, who simply don't play, some of them for months at a time 20 or so reserve fixtures in a season would help with all that Could they not just manage them better? Arrange friendlies and include some of the U23s as well? Ideally that would benefit the U23s too. A ranging lots of friendlies could work yes but relies on club actually arranging them Dropping first team players into U23's is half arsed and blocks a youngster |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 10, 2022 11:46:36 GMT
Only if ffp structures were further relaxed. You’d need more training pitches, more coaches, physios etc, more players. Yes to all of that except more players We have lots of players, as does every club at the top two levels, who simply don't play, some of them for months at a time 20 or so reserve fixtures in a season would help with all that Mentioned it on here before, something like the old Central League needed. |
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 11, 2022 7:18:28 GMT
Think hes league 2 at very best, unfortunately Just needs to add some physicality and he’ll be better than that. Right to release him then, the last thing we need is another non physical midfielder. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2022 8:06:22 GMT
Just needs to add some physicality and he’ll be better than that. Right to release him then, the last thing we need is another non physical midfielder. I don't think it is tbh. We should be looking to add that. He's still got time on his side and is a good footballer. Just screams of laziness on our behalf. |
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Post by bolders on May 11, 2022 8:57:38 GMT
Right to release him then, the last thing we need is another non physical midfielder. I don't think it is tbh. We should be looking to add that. He's still got time on his side and is a good footballer. Just screams of laziness on our behalf. Or they have assessed him and deemed him just not good enough and let him go so he can find somewhere. |
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Post by mattythestokie on May 11, 2022 9:26:42 GMT
Right to release him then, the last thing we need is another non physical midfielder. I don't think it is tbh. We should be looking to add that. He's still got time on his side and is a good footballer. Just screams of laziness on our behalf. Screams of not being good enough. Anything to attack the club sometimes. |
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Post by spitthedog on May 11, 2022 9:27:09 GMT
I'm sure being dropped for Clucas in several U23 games on the bounce brought him on a bundle. Where do you think we can get first team squad players match fit if it isn't in the Under 23s? Unless we form a Reserve League and find some other teams to join us. |
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 11, 2022 9:33:59 GMT
Right to release him then, the last thing we need is another non physical midfielder. I don't think it is tbh. We should be looking to add that. He's still got time on his side and is a good footballer. Just screams of laziness on our behalf. He's gone mate, move on. One day we might develop a midfielder who has some physicality to go with ability. However, football is littered with players who were deemed too small and he may well come back, but, as others have said, they've decided he hasn't quite got it. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2022 10:21:18 GMT
I don't think it is tbh. We should be looking to add that. He's still got time on his side and is a good footballer. Just screams of laziness on our behalf. Screams of not being good enough. Anything to attack the club sometimes. The club does a lot wrong so needs attacking. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 11, 2022 10:22:45 GMT
I don't think it is tbh. We should be looking to add that. He's still got time on his side and is a good footballer. Just screams of laziness on our behalf. He's gone mate, move on. One day we might develop a midfielder who has some physicality to go with ability. However, football is littered with players who were deemed too small and he may well come back, but, as others have said, they've decided he hasn't quite got it. I couldn't give a shit either way tbh. But it's a poor show from the club with this and a few others. I just hope the other news I was told re Tezgel was bull. If it isn't this sort of thing plays entirely into that. But here's hoping that is crap. |
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Post by knype on May 11, 2022 10:29:55 GMT
How do we know that he has not been released due to a mutual agreement?
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Post by jokker on May 11, 2022 10:31:03 GMT
I'm sure being dropped for Clucas in several U23 games on the bounce brought him on a bundle. As much as I hate Clucas, at his worst he still looked more likely to do something than Porter in the early cup games. Sometimes you just have to keep players fit. You would expect that from an experienced pro. From a kid you would make concessions for nervousness and insecurity in his first couple of games. I don't know the amount of times O'Neill has talked up Porter in interviews. And now without even a full league game played, ditched. |
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Post by jokker on May 11, 2022 10:35:39 GMT
Could they not just manage them better? Arrange friendlies and include some of the U23s as well? Ideally that would benefit the U23s too. A ranging lots of friendlies could work yes but relies on club actually arranging them Dropping first team players into U23's is half arsed and blocks a youngster As does bringing in loanees, which the manager, who said upon coming here that he was against the loan system because of bad experiences he had in his own career, has been exceptionally keen on doing. |
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Post by jokker on May 11, 2022 10:48:24 GMT
Only if ffp structures were further relaxed. You’d need more training pitches, more coaches, physios etc, more players. Yes to all of that except more players We have lots of players, as does every club at the top two levels, who simply don't play, some of them for months at a time 20 or so reserve fixtures in a season would help with all that It's a novel idea to have a reserve league for players who don't play that often, but aapart from goalies who may go through a season without a single game (like Blondy), it isn't reallya problem. It probably looks like you have more than enough players in reserve at the start of the season and at the end when you count them all up. But during the season out of your 25 man squad you have 5-10 players injured, suspended or out on loan, and suddenly it's a struggle to name a 18-man squad or 20 for a cup game, so if you had to play reserve league games too, you would have to have more players on your books. |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 11, 2022 11:01:27 GMT
A ranging lots of friendlies could work yes but relies on club actually arranging them Dropping first team players into U23's is half arsed and blocks a youngster As does bringing in loanees, which the manager, who said upon coming here that he was against the loan system because of bad experiences he had in his own career, has been exceptionally keen on doing. So which loanee blocked Porter's route to the first team? I wasn't aware we'd made any midfield loans. As I said before if you're good enough you get in the team. Porter was given his chance early season in cup games and didn't take it then went on loan and didn't particularly shine at non league level. He's twenty. As I said somewhere else by now he should be pushing for a place at least in the match day squad which he isn't. Not long ago we had Baker, Vrancic, Sawyers, Thompson and Powell all injured and unavailable yet chose to go without a midfielder on the bench rather than include him. Accept he's not getting anywhere at Stoke and let him get another club where he can play regularly at a higher level than U23. It's nonsense to say the club are being lazy, they will be helping to find the next club for him. The harsh reality is that only a few academy graduates ever make it at the club where they trained. Keeping him at Stoke for another year just makes him another year older and competing with younger players of the same experience for a contract at another club and makes it more difficult for him. From the academy point of view keeping him blocks a place at U23 level for younger players. There is no room for sentimentality where young players are concerned. If anyone can name a young player we've released (not Sanko who chose to go) who has gone on to play regularly at or above our level I will be surprised. |
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