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Post by jokker on May 13, 2022 14:07:12 GMT
Too bad your dreams weren't fulfilled. But you must be the first person on planet earth to compare law studies to apprentice football. My dreams are actually being fulfilled. I’ve been very fortunate. I’m comparing football to all walks of life. It’s not so abstract as people like to pretend it is. If you don’t like the law school analogy, how about gymnastics; track; music; acting? The world is full of risks. I don’t see why people think that the way the academy system is used in morally wrong. It's financially wrong, not morally. We've spent £80+M on developing players and the only player that's made us any money in return was trained in Dublin. The only player to have established himself in the first team under the current system (Wilko and Dicko came before) is Nobody. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 13, 2022 14:12:22 GMT
My dreams are actually being fulfilled. I’ve been very fortunate. I’m comparing football to all walks of life. It’s not so abstract as people like to pretend it is. If you don’t like the law school analogy, how about gymnastics; track; music; acting? The world is full of risks. I don’t see why people think that the way the academy system is used in morally wrong. It's financially wrong, not morally. We've spent £80+M on developing players and the only player that's made us any money in return was trained in Dublin. The only player to have established himself in the first team under the current system (Wilko and Dicko came before) is Nobody. That's not true though as players who transfer between academies can command a fee. For example, if my lad went to say Liverpool they'd have to pay upwards of £70K I think based on years at the club. It does happen and will always happen. We have also had fees for umpteen lads who have come through our academy. Plenty of players are good enough but for whatever reason don't get the opportunities others do. I've seen a lot of Adam Porter, and imho he should have had far more chances at first team level as should several others who are here or left recently. Far less of a risk to bring in an experienced player than play a kid. Unfortunately. |
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Post by jokker on May 13, 2022 14:19:43 GMT
It's financially wrong, not morally. We've spent £80+M on developing players and the only player that's made us any money in return was trained in Dublin. The only player to have established himself in the first team under the current system (Wilko and Dicko came before) is Nobody. That's not true though as players who transfer between academies can command a fee. For example, if my lad went to say Liverpool they'd have to pay upwards of £70K I think based on years at the club. It does happen and will always happen. We have also had fees for umpteen lads who have come through our academy. Plenty of players are good enough but for whatever reason don't get the opportunities others do. I've seen a lot of Adam Porter, and imho he should have had far more chances at first team level as should several others who are here or left recently. Far less of a risk to bring in an experienced player than play a kid. Unfortunately. That's very much an exception to what I said. A few 70K fees don't break even with an £80M expense. By the way I don't think the Coates money is wasted at all. The uncle Peter's "toy"'s good for the community. Just don't feed the boys' hopes and ambitions if the club has no intention of training them well enough to have a future in the game. Don't talk them up in the press if you have no intention of playing them except as a stop gap when all other options are exhaused which has been the case for Taylor, Forrester, and Sparrow. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 13, 2022 14:23:28 GMT
My dreams are actually being fulfilled. I’ve been very fortunate. I’m comparing football to all walks of life. It’s not so abstract as people like to pretend it is. If you don’t like the law school analogy, how about gymnastics; track; music; acting? The world is full of risks. I don’t see why people think that the way the academy system is used in morally wrong. It's financially wrong, not morally. We've spent £80+M on developing players and the only player that's made us any money in return was trained in Dublin. The only player to have established himself in the first team under the current system (Wilko and Dicko came before) is Nobody. I'd argue Campbell if fit would have done even though he cost over £1m from man citeh. Acadamies take time ours now seems to be producing players who fairly regular make england age group teams thats a big step up from the players you mention and the Crowes, Goodfellows etc and if you think about how long it took Man City to overtake Man Utd on the youth side with all the money they spend, the other thing if we dont spend on the academy this £80m wouldn't and couldn't be spent on the first team as academy spend does not count for FFP. |
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Post by bunnyscfc on May 13, 2022 14:23:47 GMT
Fully agree mate.
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Post by jokker on May 13, 2022 18:16:09 GMT
It's financially wrong, not morally. We've spent £80+M on developing players and the only player that's made us any money in return was trained in Dublin. The only player to have established himself in the first team under the current system (Wilko and Dicko came before) is Nobody. I'd argue Campbell if fit would have done even though he cost over £1m from man citeh. Acadamies take time ours now seems to be producing players who fairly regular make england age group teams thats a big step up from the players you mention and the Crowes, Goodfellows etc and if you think about how long it took Man City to overtake Man Utd on the youth side with all the money they spend, the other thing if we dont spend on the academy this £80m wouldn't and couldn't be spent on the first team as academy spend does not count for FFP. I know that. But the money could be spent elsewhere in the organisation, like bigger wages for a better manager, his assistant, better coaches, and more tea ladies. We could improve our recruitment substantially with more money. The club has declared it would for the last 5 years, but we always seem to end up with cut price solutions which have essentially just been worse than what we had under Hughes and Pulis. The recruitment then was a lot less formal, but they both had excellent contacts in the game, and a network of former and current players to check on players' personalities, at least until some of those contacts and network misfired. But even cpntacts need to have their bread buttered. We currently seem to have few such contacts but rely on computerised solutions. It hasn't worked very well in the last four years. |
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Post by Trouserdog on May 13, 2022 19:19:39 GMT
Because that's what you do with young players- you give them encouragement, praise them, give them some confidence. That's basic man-management. One or two games aren't conclusive evidence that he'll never be good enough, but they're good evidence that he's nowhere near ready now, and how long do you wait for players? Do we keep every player on the books until they're 23 or 24 just in case they bloom late? Of course the youth team manager and youth coaches offer encouragement and praise in their daily interaction with those players. It's part of their job description. It doesn't explain why Michael O'Neill talks those same players up in the Sentinel and in conversations with Ange. Do it in conversation with the players, by all means, but don't go public. If you talk players up in public with messages that not only they but their families and friends will read, then turn around soon after and say 'not good enough', then that's irresponsible behaviour. Then it would have been better that the senior manager, who doesn't really have anything to do with those players, had held his tongue when the local rag calls. As for waiting. I think we wait far too long in the first place. Look at Forrester. He is 21 next month and yet he is still packed in wool by the manager as if he was still wet behind his football ears. What should he have said then...'Nah, the young lad did shit, he's fucking useless.'? |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 13, 2022 21:18:41 GMT
It's not about being cowardly- the manager sees him in training and knows how good he is or isn't compared to others in the squad. O'Neill's job, like any other football manager, is to try and win games, not pick line-ups so you can have a look at the youth team players. Porter wasn't good enough. Anyone who watched him in the League Cup games could tell you that. I’m surprised that 2 or 3 games is enough for a judgement to be made. On that basis Gareth Bale should never have seen the light of day at Spurs ( his first 13 games being defeats). O’Neill’s job is to pick a side to win games, absolutely correct It’s a shame that watching players in training meant the selection of Chester, Clucas, Ince , Fletcher, a lot more often than some potential youngsters- and they were crap for a lot more than 2 or 3 games. Too me, their selections say everything about O’Neill. Or it shows how far off first team football those youngsters are because they couldn't even put pressure on those players for their place in the team. And please don't blame MON's lack of courage for that, we saw how far off Porter and Sparrow are this season. |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 13, 2022 21:22:40 GMT
My dreams are actually being fulfilled. I’ve been very fortunate. I’m comparing football to all walks of life. It’s not so abstract as people like to pretend it is. If you don’t like the law school analogy, how about gymnastics; track; music; acting? The world is full of risks. I don’t see why people think that the way the academy system is used in morally wrong. It's financially wrong, not morally. We've spent £80+M on developing players and the only player that's made us any money in return was trained in Dublin. The only player to have established himself in the first team under the current system (Wilko and Dicko came before) is Nobody. So you think Collins arrived at Stoke first team ready and we had nothing to do with his development? |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 13, 2022 21:30:48 GMT
We were just watching Huddersfield game and looked up the careers of Duane Holmes and Sorba Thomas, two of their best players. Apparently Holmes was released by Huddersfield's own academy and went to Scunthorpe coming back to Huddersfield via Derby last summer. Thomas was released by West Ham's academy and went to Boreham Wood before arriving at Huddersfield. Surprise surprise other academies release young players who you would argue have done better than any youth player Stoke have released. If they are good enough they will come back from the set back. We also have Jacob Brown released from Sheffield Wednesday academy.
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Post by jokker on May 14, 2022 9:08:56 GMT
Of course the youth team manager and youth coaches offer encouragement and praise in their daily interaction with those players. It's part of their job description. It doesn't explain why Michael O'Neill talks those same players up in the Sentinel and in conversations with Ange. Do it in conversation with the players, by all means, but don't go public. If you talk players up in public with messages that not only they but their families and friends will read, then turn around soon after and say 'not good enough', then that's irresponsible behaviour. Then it would have been better that the senior manager, who doesn't really have anything to do with those players, had held his tongue when the local rag calls. As for waiting. I think we wait far too long in the first place. Look at Forrester. He is 21 next month and yet he is still packed in wool by the manager as if he was still wet behind his football ears. What should he have said then...'Nah, the young lad did shit, he's fucking useless.'? You still haven't explained why Michael O'Neill talks those same players up in the press instead of just doing it in private? |
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Post by thehoof on May 14, 2022 14:43:35 GMT
I’m surprised that 2 or 3 games is enough for a judgement to be made. On that basis Gareth Bale should never have seen the light of day at Spurs ( his first 13 games being defeats). O’Neill’s job is to pick a side to win games, absolutely correct It’s a shame that watching players in training meant the selection of Chester, Clucas, Ince , Fletcher, a lot more often than some potential youngsters- and they were crap for a lot more than 2 or 3 games. Too me, their selections say everything about O’Neill. Or it shows how far off first team football those youngsters are because they couldn't even put pressure on those players for their place in the team. And please don't blame MON's lack of courage for that, we saw how far off Porter and Sparrow are this season. Jesus - Sparrow has played one ONE game. If you can make a decision based on that, you are wasted not being the next Jurgen Klopp. What a daft thing to say- you could pick innumerable games by those I mentioned, where you wouldn’t even pick them for a Sunday side. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 14, 2022 16:55:41 GMT
I'd argue Campbell if fit would have done even though he cost over £1m from man citeh. Acadamies take time ours now seems to be producing players who fairly regular make england age group teams thats a big step up from the players you mention and the Crowes, Goodfellows etc and if you think about how long it took Man City to overtake Man Utd on the youth side with all the money they spend, the other thing if we dont spend on the academy this £80m wouldn't and couldn't be spent on the first team as academy spend does not count for FFP. I know that. But the money could be spent elsewhere in the organisation, like bigger wages for a better manager, his assistant, better coaches, and more tea ladies. We could improve our recruitment substantially with more money. The club has declared it would for the last 5 years, but we always seem to end up with cut price solutions which have essentially just been worse than what we had under Hughes and Pulis. The recruitment then was a lot less formal, but they both had excellent contacts in the game, and a network of former and current players to check on players' personalities, at least until some of those contacts and network misfired. But even cpntacts need to have their bread buttered. We currently seem to have few such contacts but rely on computerised solutions. It hasn't worked very well in the last four years. The money is not a problem it's staying within FFP limits, spending on the academy is not counted towards FFP all the spending you suggest with the possible exception of tea ladies would impact FFP and reduce money available for the first team. For all the of recruitment processs and DNA we signed some fucking terrible players under Pulis and Hughes that cost fortunes, they also signed some good players which is pretty much the same as every other club in the leagues. |
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Post by nottsover60 on May 14, 2022 18:28:21 GMT
Or it shows how far off first team football those youngsters are because they couldn't even put pressure on those players for their place in the team. And please don't blame MON's lack of courage for that, we saw how far off Porter and Sparrow are this season. Jesus - Sparrow has played one ONE game. If you can make a decision based on that, you are wasted not being the next Jurgen Klopp. What a daft thing to say- you could pick innumerable games by those I mentioned, where you wouldn’t even pick them for a Sunday side. If you saw him last Saturday you would know it was true. I haven't said he won't ever make it but that he was totally out of his depth and half the time defensively especially hadn't a clue what was going on or what he should be doing. Had he played in an important match rather than a dead rubber he could easily have cost us. The same was true of Porter earlier in the season. We can't just play players because they are from the academy when they are so totally out of their depth. I'm not judging their ability on one match just that they are way off the required level AT THE MOMENT. |
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Post by jokker on May 14, 2022 18:50:32 GMT
Jesus - Sparrow has played one ONE game. If you can make a decision based on that, you are wasted not being the next Jurgen Klopp. What a daft thing to say- you could pick innumerable games by those I mentioned, where you wouldn’t even pick them for a Sunday side. If you saw him last Saturday you would know it was true. I haven't said he won't ever make it but that he was totally out of his depth and half the time defensively especially hadn't a clue what was going on or what he should be doing. Had he played in an important match rather than a dead rubber he could easily have cost us. The same was true of Porter earlier in the season. We can't just play players because they are from the academy when they are so totally out of their depth. I'm not judging their ability on one match just that they are way off the required level AT THE MOMENT. We've heard nothing but praise for Sparrow in the last 1½ years, but now, because of one game where few if any of his more experienced team mates did well or supported him, he's considered "way off the required level", because of that one game, which seemingly nullify everything that's gone before in those 18 months. At least O'Neill didn't criticise him shaply, which he has done with Taylor and several other academists in his 2½ years here. |
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Post by thehoof on May 14, 2022 20:10:38 GMT
Jesus - Sparrow has played one ONE game. If you can make a decision based on that, you are wasted not being the next Jurgen Klopp. What a daft thing to say- you could pick innumerable games by those I mentioned, where you wouldn’t even pick them for a Sunday side. If you saw him last Saturday you would know it was true. I haven't said he won't ever make it but that he was totally out of his depth and half the time defensively especially hadn't a clue what was going on or what he should be doing. Had he played in an important match rather than a dead rubber he could easily have cost us. The same was true of Porter earlier in the season. We can't just play players because they are from the academy when they are so totally out of their depth. I'm not judging their ability on one match just that they are way off the required level AT THE MOMENT. I’m sorry but that is crap. You are basing it on a ridiculously small sample of minutes played and asking me to trust the judgement of a manager who I’m sorry but I just can’t do. Fletcher was finished at the end of last season, yet we are treated to various appearances- DWP has had some great moments and some inconsistency- but he’s only used when there is in the O’Neill world no other option. If I thought that O’Neill had the first idea what he was doing , then I’d possibly agree; he’s a good economist but an absolutely inept manager. Two full seasons of unremitting tripe, one paced , tactically moribund football. |
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Post by jokker on May 14, 2022 20:35:42 GMT
I know that. But the money could be spent elsewhere in the organisation, like bigger wages for a better manager, his assistant, better coaches, and more tea ladies. We could improve our recruitment substantially with more money. The club has declared it would for the last 5 years, but we always seem to end up with cut price solutions which have essentially just been worse than what we had under Hughes and Pulis. The recruitment then was a lot less formal, but they both had excellent contacts in the game, and a network of former and current players to check on players' personalities, at least until some of those contacts and network misfired. But even cpntacts need to have their bread buttered. We currently seem to have few such contacts but rely on computerised solutions. It hasn't worked very well in the last four years. The money is not a problem it's staying within FFP limits, spending on the academy is not counted towards FFP all the spending you suggest with the possible exception of tea ladies would impact FFP and reduce money available for the first team. For all the of recruitment processs and DNA we signed some fucking terrible players under Pulis and Hughes that cost fortunes, they also signed some good players which is pretty much the same as every other club in the leagues. Okay...so we just spend $80+M, because it has no consequences for us and it doesn't matter that we spend it whether we make good use of it or not, because Uncle Peter will cover the costs...? Why don't we restructure our more or less pointless academy, so that we MUSt deliver first team material every other season on average! Fire aall the coaches and bring in some new ones that aim for success. Part of the money goes to not develop our own academy players, but grabbing players on the way out of other clubs or already out, So we signed, some for fees, others on frees Campbell, Collins, Norton, Souttar, Porter and others who can then be put forward to show the academy does work, even though the major parts of their development happened at other clubs. |
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Post by biddulphchav on May 15, 2022 4:58:38 GMT
Jesus - Sparrow has played one ONE game. If you can make a decision based on that, you are wasted not being the next Jurgen Klopp. What a daft thing to say- you could pick innumerable games by those I mentioned, where you wouldn’t even pick them for a Sunday side. If you saw him last Saturday you would know it was true. I haven't said he won't ever make it but that he was totally out of his depth and half the time defensively especially hadn't a clue what was going on or what he should be doing. Had he played in an important match rather than a dead rubber he could easily have cost us. The same was true of Porter earlier in the season. We can't just play players because they are from the academy when they are so totally out of their depth. I'm not judging their ability on one match just that they are way off the required level AT THE MOMENT. There’s a massive jump from U-23’s to the first team, so most of them will look out of their depth at the beginning. In addition, they are playing in front of crowds of a decent size for the first time, and need to adjust to that. Some players will handle it in their stride, and some will need to be handled more carefully, it depends on their personalities. They won’t get to the required standard if they don’t really understand or have the time to adapt to that standard, and some won’t get there regardless. I think O’Neill has done good job with youngsters, he’s willing to play them, he’ll give them a chance, but they have to adapt quickly or they won’t keep their place. Nothing wrong with that, the ones with the right attitude and mental toughness will respond the right way - that means in training too. He dropped DWP and Bursik for being out on the booze, a good decision, if they want to be professional footballers then they can’t be doing that, times have changed, and this way they’ll learn it’s all part of it. |
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Post by Trouserdog on May 15, 2022 5:49:30 GMT
What should he have said then...'Nah, the young lad did shit, he's fucking useless.'? You still haven't explained why Michael O'Neill talks those same players up in the press instead of just doing it in private? If I was a young player, to hear my manager giving me public praise would boost my confidence a lot more than if it was just a one-to-one 'well done'. I shouldn't have to explain something as basic as that should I? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 15, 2022 6:43:39 GMT
When did porter play in the 1st team?
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 6:45:14 GMT
When did porter play in the 1st team? EFL Cup v Doncaster at home. |
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Post by Trouserdog on May 15, 2022 6:50:26 GMT
When did porter play in the 1st team? Played twice in the early rounds of the League Cup. Played OK first game, but way off the pace second time. |
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Post by jokker on May 15, 2022 8:13:08 GMT
You still haven't explained why Michael O'Neill talks those same players up in the press instead of just doing it in private? If I was a young player, to hear my manager giving me public praise would boost my confidence a lot more than if it was just a one-to-one 'well done'. I shouldn't have to explain something as basic as that should I? I think the young players are finding out soon enough that any praise from their manager can be taken with a ton of salt, given that what he says really means "not good enough" as the situation with Porter proves. Any praise from such a dishonest person is like the death knell as far as their careers are concerned. Yes, I think you need to come up with a plausible explanation. |
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Post by followyoudown on May 15, 2022 9:34:44 GMT
The money is not a problem it's staying within FFP limits, spending on the academy is not counted towards FFP all the spending you suggest with the possible exception of tea ladies would impact FFP and reduce money available for the first team. For all the of recruitment processs and DNA we signed some fucking terrible players under Pulis and Hughes that cost fortunes, they also signed some good players which is pretty much the same as every other club in the leagues. Okay...so we just spend $80+M, because it has no consequences for us and it doesn't matter that we spend it whether we make good use of it or not, because Uncle Peter will cover the costs...? Why don't we restructure our more or less pointless academy, so that we MUSt deliver first team material every other season on average! Fire aall the coaches and bring in some new ones that aim for success. Part of the money goes to not develop our own academy players, but grabbing players on the way out of other clubs or already out, So we signed, some for fees, others on frees Campbell, Collins, Norton, Souttar, Porter and others who can then be put forward to show the academy does work, even though the major parts of their development happened at other clubs. Its uncle peter who drove the academy build up, he luckily understands its a long term project we only started doing it properly around 10 years ago, clubs "sign" players from 8 upwards so we basically started with the best of the rest, we are competing with everton, liverpool, man citeh, man united, aston villa for the best local players, I dont pay too much attention to the results but initially our age group teams used to get smashed by these clubs now they hold their own and beat some of those teams. I think we signed players like campbell because we thought they could go onto to be good players if we waited until he was 24 he'd either be out of price range or not have developed, nothing strange about what we do man city and chelsea sign kids for millions of pounds, Jordan Sancho is nentioned aa a product of man city youth system yet cost £1m+ from Watford |
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Post by jokker on May 15, 2022 9:53:43 GMT
Okay...so we just spend $80+M, because it has no consequences for us and it doesn't matter that we spend it whether we make good use of it or not, because Uncle Peter will cover the costs...? Why don't we restructure our more or less pointless academy, so that we MUSt deliver first team material every other season on average! Fire aall the coaches and bring in some new ones that aim for success. Part of the money goes to not develop our own academy players, but grabbing players on the way out of other clubs or already out, So we signed, some for fees, others on frees Campbell, Collins, Norton, Souttar, Porter and others who can then be put forward to show the academy does work, even though the major parts of their development happened at other clubs. Its uncle peter who drove the academy build up, he luckily understands its a long term project we only started doing it properly around 10 years ago, clubs "sign" players from 8 upwards so we basically started with the best of the rest, we are competing with everton, liverpool, man citeh, man united, aston villa for the best local players, I dont pay too much attention to the results but initially our age group teams used to get smashed by these clubs now they hold their own and beat some of those teams. I think we signed players like campbell because we thought they could go onto to be good players if we waited until he was 24 he'd either be out of price range or not have developed, nothing strange about what we do man city and chelsea sign kids for millions of pounds, Jordan Sancho is nentioned aa a product of man city youth system yet cost £1m+ from Watford So scfc has to and settled for "the best of the rest". Well we make our beds and lie in them. |
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Post by newsteadst3 on May 15, 2022 10:08:21 GMT
Its uncle peter who drove the academy build up, he luckily understands its a long term project we only started doing it properly around 10 years ago, clubs "sign" players from 8 upwards so we basically started with the best of the rest, we are competing with everton, liverpool, man citeh, man united, aston villa for the best local players, I dont pay too much attention to the results but initially our age group teams used to get smashed by these clubs now they hold their own and beat some of those teams. I think we signed players like campbell because we thought they could go onto to be good players if we waited until he was 24 he'd either be out of price range or not have developed, nothing strange about what we do man city and chelsea sign kids for millions of pounds, Jordan Sancho is nentioned aa a product of man city youth system yet cost £1m+ from Watford So scfc has to and settled for "the best of the rest". Well we make our beds and lie in them. We had to initially, but not now I think we are able to compete for players alot better than 10-15 years ago . |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 10:20:04 GMT
Its uncle peter who drove the academy build up, he luckily understands its a long term project we only started doing it properly around 10 years ago, clubs "sign" players from 8 upwards so we basically started with the best of the rest, we are competing with everton, liverpool, man citeh, man united, aston villa for the best local players, I dont pay too much attention to the results but initially our age group teams used to get smashed by these clubs now they hold their own and beat some of those teams. I think we signed players like campbell because we thought they could go onto to be good players if we waited until he was 24 he'd either be out of price range or not have developed, nothing strange about what we do man city and chelsea sign kids for millions of pounds, Jordan Sancho is nentioned aa a product of man city youth system yet cost £1m+ from Watford So scfc has to and settled for "the best of the rest". Well we make our beds and lie in them. In the vast majority of cases, we cannot compete for the very best against clubs that are so far out of our league. I don’t see how that could be made into a critical comment on the club. That’s just life for clubs who aren’t top 6. The vast majority of premier league academy players don’t make it to Championship level, why would Stoke’s? It’s not about training them better etc, football is just such a competitive sport to be successful in. |
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Post by jokker on May 15, 2022 11:50:47 GMT
So scfc has to and settled for "the best of the rest". Well we make our beds and lie in them. In the vast majority of cases, we cannot compete for the very best against clubs that are so far out of our league. I don’t see how that could be made into a critical comment on the club. That’s just life for clubs who aren’t top 6. The vast majority of premier league academy players don’t make it to Championship level, why would Stoke’s? It’s not about training them better etc, football is just such a competitive sport to be successful in. But do we know to be competitive enough? It seems we are just about to, but even when we have the best crop of youngsters in many years, scfc just lie down and deem not good enough. We then rely on second class or even third class purchases and spent as much money on them as we can get away with, with little return both financially but more important leaguewise. Scfc don't appear to be able to plan long term. We can't keep relying on loans, freebies, and expensive no-gooders. Planning long term means developing players even if in a one to one comparison, a 19 year old Sparrow doesn't look as good as a 32-year old has-never-really-been Clucas. |
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Post by jokker on May 15, 2022 11:54:11 GMT
I'll tell you why he says what he does in the press about the youths.
He doesn't care about the players in the academy. He has little or no intention of playing them in league matches, as I said two years ago and was widely abused over several pages for stating my opinion, yet two years since has seen very little action by academy prospects in important games. He has zero trust in them to come good.
Even Tezgel has only been allowed spare minutes in matches that had already been won by the time he came on. In other words Tezgel's appearences are only cosmetic. Good news stories in the Sentinel pages, but of no consequence. All alibying, something O'Neill is very good at, having watched the master of the trade, Tom Ince, at close hand for a while.
He doesn't praise them to make them feel good.
He says those things to make himself look good in the press and in the boardroom. "The first manager since Waddington to make something out of the Staffs youth riches."
Yeah right...
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Post by newsteadst3 on May 15, 2022 12:13:52 GMT
I'll tell you why he says what he does in the press about the youths. He doesn't care about the players in the academy. He has little or no intention of playing them in league matches, as I said two years ago and was widely abused over several pages for stating my opinion, yet two years since has seen very little action by academy prospects in important games. He has zero trust in them to come good. Even Tezgel has only been allowed spare minutes in matches that had already been won by the time he came on. In other words Tezgel's appearences are only cosmetic. Good news stories in the Sentinel pages, but of no consequence. All alibying, something O'Neill is very good at, having watched the master of the trade, Tom Ince, at close hand for a while. He doesn't praise them to make them feel good. He says those things to make himself look good in the press and in the boardroom. "The first manager since Waddington to make something out of the Staffs youth riches." Yeah right... Even Tezgel? He's 16 mate has like 20 years left yet potentially!!! |
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