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Post by Gods on May 20, 2022 7:01:52 GMT
'Scummy fans' Goooooarn Mandela! I like this fellas approach. Call them 'scummy' and then question their very manhood in terms of trying to swing a punch! :-)
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Post by kidcrewbob on May 20, 2022 7:01:59 GMT
Yeh - it were when thowd king come t’throne..............nah it was the 70s.....!! . No, that was upto the 68/69/70/71 years. My dad took me to both grounds regularly from 1964 onwards with us both wearing the half Stoke, half Vale scarves. The difference being ...... from 1968/69/70 more often we would get 'gobbed on' by Vale fans, (old and young) at every match .. for wearing our scarves, where as, we didn't suffer any abuse at Stoke matches with our scarves. Hence, from 1970 onwards we were only full time Stoke supporters. Besides Stoke City represented the City, our home. Where as, to the world Port Vale is just two four letter words. I have to keep telling non football supporters down here that Port Vale isn't a place between Port Talbot and Ebbw Vale in Wales but an entity in the nether world of what they like to call the Potteries (not Stoke-On-Trent) - like saying Nottingham is in the 'Lace-ries' and Bolton is in the Cotton-ries. I agree that it’s an anachronism and I well remember the shame, pain and despair of playing in the 3rd tier when both Vale and Crewe lauded it up in the 2nd for a couple of seasons - I don’t support Vale - I just don’t get upset and feel the need to spit bile at them and respect those I know and have known who do, which includes close family, workmates and neighbours and be happy for them to enjoy a day in the sun.
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Post by Gods on May 20, 2022 7:03:36 GMT
All hope rests with Mansfield now, guess that ones another 50:50 game
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Post by wuzza on May 20, 2022 7:24:35 GMT
It’s not just the Vale but sport used to be about winning and losing with a bit of style and dignity - now it’s just a rather depressing mix of hubris and aggression. I’m afraid the clubs and media always ramp it up too and then when it all gets nasty, as it invariably does, they hold their hands up and claim its not their fault it’s just Society.
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Post by s7oke on May 20, 2022 7:30:31 GMT
All hope rests with Mansfield now, guess that ones another 50:50 game Vale can have their day out then fuck off home In tears 😭 😂😂😂
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Post by 36dd on May 20, 2022 7:32:00 GMT
Agree we still have the morons but it interesting to see if drugs was contributing factor? I’m seeing more of it on Matchdays. coke is unavoidable on matchdays .... and we have a fair old amount of it too. You go to some away games and in the toilets it's like an outpost of Columbia this has been going on for a long time too. I present the theory that this new focussing of football fans and drugs is yet another way to deflect from tory party corruption and incompetence, by the newspaper owners where the two seem more inextricably linked than ever, with a 'you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours' strategy. yes i know that's political and should be on the everything else board, but i think it's a relevant point in this instance. I don’t read the papers, but know from first hand experience the effect of drink and drugs. Coke has now become more of a fashion trend on a night out (or day out), similar to when it was ecstasy about 20+ years ago. It be interesting to see if the person who got sent down yesterday (has a house mortgage, & family) was influenced by drugs? If so then would his actions of been different if he wasn’t?
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Post by questionable on May 20, 2022 7:45:30 GMT
We would do the same, look at our last game with the flares,bottles coins and the rest we all have our dickheads. Don't recall any Leicester players getting punched when we invaded the pitch after winning promotion? 100% sure that one of our fans punched Kyle Lighbourne didn’t they??
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Post by mickstupp on May 20, 2022 7:48:43 GMT
This thread needs locking. They are going up.
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Post by flea79 on May 20, 2022 7:50:47 GMT
Utter shit behaviour from the unwashed last night
Not too mention the manager who then blamed his outburst on his recent personal bereavement.
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Post by mamathestriker on May 20, 2022 7:57:02 GMT
Christ. I genuinely think as a fan base we’ve gone soft! Fawning over Nathan Jones one minute and praising Vale the next?!
Wishing them good luck and sending them well done messages last night? Stuff that. The vast, vast majority of Vale fans wouldn’t piss on us if we were on fire right in front of their eyes.
I’ve actually watched three of their last home games (Bristol Rovers, Newport and last night) and never been so bored. They looked decent for 20 minutes last night and after that the standard was so awful I genuinely couldn’t have cared less who won. Then they show how classless they are by attacking Swindon players and their manager losing the plot and nutting someone too. Great to get to the final but completely tarnished by their idiots.
A few years ago I got invited to a Vale match at their place. I went and they lost and were absolutely dreadful. As soon as they knew we’d been defeated too though their mood improved in an instant, and we ended up dominating 90% of their conversation from then on in. It unnerved me how much they hate us. If they were 23rd in L2 but we were 24th they’d be ecstatic.
Mansfield need to have the game of their lives but I think Vale will be too strong for them. Let’s hope they have a tough time in L1. The thought of us being in the same league again any time soon is enough to make me want to vomit.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 20, 2022 7:57:29 GMT
Utter shit behaviour from the unwashed last night Not too mention the manager who then blamed his outburst on his recent personal bereavement. To be fair he doesn’t look well it must be taking a terrible toll and while last night behaviour is inexcusable overall you can can only imagine his state of mind.
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Post by mamathestriker on May 20, 2022 8:06:42 GMT
Utter shit behaviour from the unwashed last night Not too mention the manager who then blamed his outburst on his recent personal bereavement. To be fair he doesn’t look well it must be taking a terrible toll and while last night behaviour is inexcusable overall you can can only imagine his state of mind. He does look ill which is completely understandable considering what happened.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on May 20, 2022 8:08:13 GMT
This thread needs locking. They are going up. They started to improve the moment this thread started.
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Post by flea79 on May 20, 2022 8:09:26 GMT
Utter shit behaviour from the unwashed last night Not too mention the manager who then blamed his outburst on his recent personal bereavement. To be fair he doesn’t look well it must be taking a terrible toll and while last night behaviour is inexcusable overall you can can only imagine his state of mind. No your quote correct but too use it as an excuse is poor, very poor! Where would we be if everybody used a loss too go out and behave like that!
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Post by toppercorner on May 20, 2022 8:13:53 GMT
coke is unavoidable on matchdays .... and we have a fair old amount of it too. You go to some away games and in the toilets it's like an outpost of Columbia this has been going on for a long time too. I present the theory that this new focussing of football fans and drugs is yet another way to deflect from tory party corruption and incompetence, by the newspaper owners where the two seem more inextricably linked than ever, with a 'you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours' strategy. yes i know that's political and should be on the everything else board, but i think it's a relevant point in this instance. I don’t read the papers, but know from first hand experience the effect of drink and drugs. Coke has now become more of a fashion trend on a night out (or day out), similar to when it was ecstasy about 20+ years ago. It be interesting to see if the person who got sent down yesterday (has a house mortgage, & family) was influenced by drugs? If so then would his actions of been different if he wasn’t? vastly different outcomes of behaviour between coke and the e's. the coke is an instant hit, and super charges you, whereas the e's take longer and you are way more mellow and less inclined to do anything that would be deemed aggressive. there's a documentary somewhere, where the police talk about the effect of ecstasy in the late 80s early 90s and how it almost eradicated the major terrace trouble, as everyone was going to raves and getting on with one another. At the sametime, there was a chelsea hardcore who set up a 'hooligans against ecstasy' (i think, may have wordings wrong) as loads of their battle hardened mob just gave up fighting and went dancing.
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Post by felonious on May 20, 2022 8:15:30 GMT
This thread needs locking. They are going up. I'm telling thee, the Oatcake's in meltdown, it's the next Zigic thread
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on May 20, 2022 8:27:33 GMT
I’ll be honest, the vale fans I know are all decent blokes, love their football and always are happy to dissect and talk about Stoke.
I was well happy for them yesterday and hope they go up
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Post by LGH87 on May 20, 2022 8:46:23 GMT
How many will they realistically sell for Wembley?
20k max?
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Post by likelyladgalizmo on May 20, 2022 8:53:02 GMT
Mansfield's fab three of Bowery, McLaughlin and Oates baby will do it for the Stags.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on May 20, 2022 9:00:00 GMT
If they do get promotion ( and IMHO Mansfield looked the strongest side in the play offs) Vale will struggle in D1 without investing in better quality. It's a tough division.
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Post by knype on May 20, 2022 9:00:42 GMT
I’ll be honest, the vale fans I know are all decent blokes, love their football and always are happy to dissect and talk about Stoke. I was well happy for them yesterday and hope they go up Fcuk that. Keep them as low as possible...
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Post by thevoid on May 20, 2022 9:28:34 GMT
I'd say make 'Soap' play their next few games behind closed doors but that wouldn't make much difference to them.
Maybe punish any club whose fans attack players/staff by ordering a replay or awarding the match to the other side. We could use last night's tie as a trial for it 🙂
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 20, 2022 9:45:52 GMT
Just got a feeling this thread won't age well.
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Post by thevoid on May 20, 2022 9:46:56 GMT
Not only do we have some Stokies embracing failure and mediocrity but we now have them wishing the Vile well. Unbelievable. Well controversial as it may be to some, I have never understood the mentality behind derbies. Why wouldn't you want a team from your own city doing well? It's akin to civil war. I'll be honest, I despise Liverpool and United supporters far more than the Fail (yes OK, there is still room for some banter!). At the end of the day, I support Stoke City not just because it's closest to where I lived but also because it represents the town I was raised, Stoke-on-Trent. Port Vale may be our rivals, but they too are a representative of Stoke-on-Trent in the Football League and for that reason I'd like to see them do well... just not better than us or at our expense! I think both Potteries teams being successful can only be a good thing for putting our fine yet often derided city on the map. With respect mate that's rot. Would you expect a Partick fan to support Celtic and Rangers, or someone from London to support Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham and Millwall (and all of the others I couldn't be arsed to list)?
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Post by SamB_SCFC on May 20, 2022 9:48:44 GMT
I don’t read the papers, but know from first hand experience the effect of drink and drugs. Coke has now become more of a fashion trend on a night out (or day out), similar to when it was ecstasy about 20+ years ago. It be interesting to see if the person who got sent down yesterday (has a house mortgage, & family) was influenced by drugs? If so then would his actions of been different if he wasn’t? vastly different outcomes of behaviour between coke and the e's. the coke is an instant hit, and super charges you, whereas the e's take longer and you are way more mellow and less inclined to do anything that would be deemed aggressive. there's a documentary somewhere, where the police talk about the effect of ecstasy in the late 80s early 90s and how it almost eradicated the major terrace trouble, as everyone was going to raves and getting on with one another. At the sametime, there was a chelsea hardcore who set up a 'hooligans against ecstasy' (i think, may have wordings wrong) as loads of their battle hardened mob just gave up fighting and went dancing. Proof that rave music is good for everything . Nothing worse than a coke head. Seems to be a fashion at the moment and I can't stand it.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 10:12:24 GMT
Just got a feeling this thread won't age well. If they go up they go up. Swapping Div 4 for 3 will get over....didn't realise went to pens.
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Post by clintonbaptiste on May 20, 2022 10:17:35 GMT
Don't recall any Leicester players getting punched when we invaded the pitch after winning promotion? 100% sure that one of our fans punched Kyle Lighbourne didn’t they?? Yes, there was a pitch invasion after we lost 0-4 at home to Bristol Rovers and someone lumped Lightbourne.
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Post by shakermaker on May 20, 2022 10:50:45 GMT
Well controversial as it may be to some, I have never understood the mentality behind derbies. Why wouldn't you want a team from your own city doing well? It's akin to civil war. I'll be honest, I despise Liverpool and United supporters far more than the Fail (yes OK, there is still room for some banter!). At the end of the day, I support Stoke City not just because it's closest to where I lived but also because it represents the town I was raised, Stoke-on-Trent. Port Vale may be our rivals, but they too are a representative of Stoke-on-Trent in the Football League and for that reason I'd like to see them do well... just not better than us or at our expense! I think both Potteries teams being successful can only be a good thing for putting our fine yet often derided city on the map. With respect mate that's rot. Would you expect a Partick fan to support Celtic and Rangers, or someone from London to support Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham and Millwall (and all of the others I couldn't be arsed to list)? I think it’s different with Stoke and Vale. Between them two it’s “big club, little club”. There may be Celtic and Rangers fans who’d wish Partick well in a cup final because they’re the big clubs wanting the smaller representative of Glasgow to do well. That wouldn’t be reciprocated by Partick fans because they always feel undermined by the big Glasgow giants. Same thing applies to Stoke and Vale.
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Post by 36dd on May 20, 2022 11:41:32 GMT
I don’t read the papers, but know from first hand experience the effect of drink and drugs. Coke has now become more of a fashion trend on a night out (or day out), similar to when it was ecstasy about 20+ years ago. It be interesting to see if the person who got sent down yesterday (has a house mortgage, & family) was influenced by drugs? If so then would his actions of been different if he wasn’t? vastly different outcomes of behaviour between coke and the e's. the coke is an instant hit, and super charges you, whereas the e's take longer and you are way more mellow and less inclined to do anything that would be deemed aggressive. there's a documentary somewhere, where the police talk about the effect of ecstasy in the late 80s early 90s and how it almost eradicated the major terrace trouble, as everyone was going to raves and getting on with one another. At the sametime, there was a chelsea hardcore who set up a 'hooligans against ecstasy' (i think, may have wordings wrong) as loads of their battle hardened mob just gave up fighting and went dancing. Spot on, coke can give that feeling of confidence and arrogance.
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Post by davejohnno1 on May 20, 2022 12:10:26 GMT
I'm pleased for 3 very good friends I have that are die hard Fail fans but absolutely never would I wish them well. Never.
I wouldn't wish them out of business but beyond that, I hope they lose every game they play, unless they are playing Arsenal and end up in the Conference sometime soon!
I can understand youngsters, who've never seen us play the Fail, feeling different. I used to feel the same when I was a youngster but the minute they got their moment in the sun, and was a very fleeting moment, the fuckers were absolutely unbearable.
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