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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 12:58:44 GMT
I said I don't like it and it probably clouds my judgement of him. A legend in his own lunchtime sort of player for me. Not sure why anyone needs to like a players personality if they’re doing ok on the pitch and generally speaking he was. That's the point though, I didn't think he was doing particularly well and felt his attitude wouldn't make him easy to coach. At 22 having been at Brighton for three years he obviously hasn't endeared himself to Potter. When Stoke sent him back to Brighton they were so short of centre halves they were playing full backs there yet he didn' t get a game and was shipped out to Genoa.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 22, 2022 13:04:56 GMT
I think it’ll be interesting to see if we loan Taylor out. My understanding is that he should be playing in Souttar’s position. I don’t see him competing with Jagielka for cover, so should we be loaning him back to Rovers next season now they have been promoted?
Surely a full season of league one football would be better than 10 or so games (max) in the Championship.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 22, 2022 13:05:54 GMT
Difficult to judge on defensive units as Souttar was definitely the outstanding player and the glue holding the first one together. I'm hoping that Joey Barton has done the same job on Taylor that he did with Souttar and wouldn't be averse to sending Forrester there till January even though I hate the bloke. (Barton, not Forrester) He was but Jagielka came in and was very good but we didn’t look a patch on before defensively or otherwise. Which we should have done defensively as Jagielka is still a better defender imo. Forrester doesn’t need a loan. Jagielka is nowhere near as dominant as Souttar was before his injury.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 13:49:01 GMT
He was but Jagielka came in and was very good but we didn’t look a patch on before defensively or otherwise. Which we should have done defensively as Jagielka is still a better defender imo. Forrester doesn’t need a loan. Jagielka is nowhere near as dominant as Souttar was before his injury. I don’t think he was as complete a player but I think he’s still the better defender.
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Post by hardcastle on May 22, 2022 14:11:08 GMT
You need four candidates to cover two positions, so Souttar, Jags, Taylor, Forreste works, doesn't it. Or are we saying that one or both of Taylor / Forrester need more lower lovel game time?
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2022 14:13:56 GMT
You need four candidates to cover two positions, so Souttar, Jags, Taylor, Forreste works, doesn't it. Or are we saying that one or both of Taylor / Forrester need more lower lovel game time? And Wilmot
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 22, 2022 14:19:28 GMT
Can we not just get rid of the three at the back, its crap and for large parts left us with only Tymon being the creative player.
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Post by nottsover60 on May 22, 2022 14:20:17 GMT
You need four candidates to cover two positions, so Souttar, Jags, Taylor, Forreste works, doesn't it. Or are we saying that one or both of Taylor / Forrester need more lower lovel game time? How many to cover 3 positions?
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Post by cvillestokie on May 22, 2022 14:23:26 GMT
You need four candidates to cover two positions, so Souttar, Jags, Taylor, Forreste works, doesn't it. Or are we saying that one or both of Taylor / Forrester need more lower lovel game time? How likely it Taylor to excel on the right of a three? He’s a bit slow and cumbersome, no? He just looks like the right replacement for Souttar. Good on the ball, good in the air. Similarly, Jagielka shouldn’t be on the right of a back three either. He’s too old. The sides of centre need to be mobile. At present, I see it that we have a back line of Forrester-Souttar-Wilmot, with Jagielka as cover for Souttar. Where does that leave Taylor? We should loan him out and bring in cover for either side instead. When Jagielka leaves (in Jan or at end of the season, bring Taylor back).
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Post by owdestokie2 on May 22, 2022 14:35:30 GMT
I’m not bothered either the shit you’re coming out with needs to be challenged. I don’t mind doing that. You still haven't answered the point about the mechanics of the Moore deal, because you don't know do you? You're throwing insults around about a topic you just don't know about. We are reducing costs at an astronomical rate and Batth had to be culled. If Moore earned more at Reading it doesn't mean we covered all of his wages and if we did, how much of Ince's wages did Reading cover in return? If it was a like for like then we were up on the deal given we replaced Ostigard with THB and Jagielka came in at a much reduced wage than Batth from crisis club Derby. The fact it fucked our season is probably more down to the amount of shifting around we had to do to reduce our outgoings, and the amount of incomings we had to make to ensure we weren't short of bodies. There's only one person talking shit here. Big, big mistake trying to put forward a reasoned argument, potential circumstances etc. He’s shit, the manager didn’t rate him, he couldn’t play in this system, or that system is about the level of debate some can make. One poster in particular needs health support for a serious attention seeking disorder.
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Post by lordb on May 22, 2022 14:36:53 GMT
You need four candidates to cover two positions, so Souttar, Jags, Taylor, Forreste works, doesn't it. Or are we saying that one or both of Taylor / Forrester need more lower lovel game time? How likely it Taylor to excel on the right of a three? He’s a bit slow and cumbersome, no? He just looks like the right replacement for Souttar. Good on the ball, good in the air. Similarly, Jagielka shouldn’t be on the right of a back three either. He’s too old. The sides of centre need to be mobile. At present, I see it that we have a back line of Forrester-Souttar-Wilmot, with Jagielka as cover for Souttar. Where does that leave Taylor? We should loan him out and bring in cover for either side instead. When Jagielka leaves (in Jan or at end of the season, bring Taylor back). How have Bristol Rovers lined up?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 14:40:42 GMT
You still haven't answered the point about the mechanics of the Moore deal, because you don't know do you? You're throwing insults around about a topic you just don't know about. We are reducing costs at an astronomical rate and Batth had to be culled. If Moore earned more at Reading it doesn't mean we covered all of his wages and if we did, how much of Ince's wages did Reading cover in return? If it was a like for like then we were up on the deal given we replaced Ostigard with THB and Jagielka came in at a much reduced wage than Batth from crisis club Derby. The fact it fucked our season is probably more down to the amount of shifting around we had to do to reduce our outgoings, and the amount of incomings we had to make to ensure we weren't short of bodies. There's only one person talking shit here. Big, big mistake trying to put forward a reasoned argument, potential circumstances etc. He’s shit, the manager didn’t rate him, he couldn’t play in this system, or that system is about the level of debate some can make. One poster in particular needs health support for a serious attention seeking disorder. It’s not a reasoned argument though. It’s delusional. At every point MON has tried his best not to play Batth. Batth can’t play football, MON wants footballers at the back. It’s that simple. He was let go because he didn’t fit what was needed and we then signed a better player. You won’t debate back though. Just insult as per and it’s pretty pathetic and actually that comment is cruel and very unnecessary given you haven’t actually supplied an argument back.
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Post by cvillestokie on May 22, 2022 16:06:28 GMT
How likely it Taylor to excel on the right of a three? He’s a bit slow and cumbersome, no? He just looks like the right replacement for Souttar. Good on the ball, good in the air. Similarly, Jagielka shouldn’t be on the right of a back three either. He’s too old. The sides of centre need to be mobile. At present, I see it that we have a back line of Forrester-Souttar-Wilmot, with Jagielka as cover for Souttar. Where does that leave Taylor? We should loan him out and bring in cover for either side instead. When Jagielka leaves (in Jan or at end of the season, bring Taylor back). How have Bristol Rovers lined up? 4-1-4-1 according to a Google check of their last 7 or 8 league fixtures. Obviously, that could be wrong. They can often be wrong, but given that it’s the same formation in each game I checked, it seems reasonable to conclude that’s how the set up.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on May 22, 2022 18:47:00 GMT
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Post by hughjarse on May 22, 2022 19:25:40 GMT
And let's not worry about the wage bill
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Post by J-Roar on May 22, 2022 19:33:00 GMT
That would unite the fanbase!
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Post by mtrstudent on May 23, 2022 5:23:49 GMT
If we could hire him on a fee-per-performance and then make him play U23 all season for free I'd be down.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 23, 2022 10:06:18 GMT
I’m not bothered either the shit you’re coming out with needs to be challenged. I don’t mind doing that. You still haven't answered the point about the mechanics of the Moore deal, because you don't know do you? You're throwing insults around about a topic you just don't know about. We are reducing costs at an astronomical rate and Batth had to be culled. If Moore earned more at Reading it doesn't mean we covered all of his wages and if we did, how much of Ince's wages did Reading cover in return? If it was a like for like then we were up on the deal given we replaced Ostigard with THB and Jagielka came in at a much reduced wage than Batth from crisis club Derby. The fact it fucked our season is probably more down to the amount of shifting around we had to do to reduce our outgoings, and the amount of incomings we had to make to ensure we weren't short of bodies. There's only one person talking shit here. If we're guessing, and thats all it is because no one really knows, I wouldn't be surprised if the Ince and Moore deals were a straight swap. Both of them on big wages and neither have a future where they were so it makes sense to get them out the door.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 23, 2022 10:07:58 GMT
You still haven't answered the point about the mechanics of the Moore deal, because you don't know do you? You're throwing insults around about a topic you just don't know about. We are reducing costs at an astronomical rate and Batth had to be culled. If Moore earned more at Reading it doesn't mean we covered all of his wages and if we did, how much of Ince's wages did Reading cover in return? If it was a like for like then we were up on the deal given we replaced Ostigard with THB and Jagielka came in at a much reduced wage than Batth from crisis club Derby. The fact it fucked our season is probably more down to the amount of shifting around we had to do to reduce our outgoings, and the amount of incomings we had to make to ensure we weren't short of bodies. There's only one person talking shit here. Big, big mistake trying to put forward a reasoned argument, potential circumstances etc. He’s shit, the manager didn’t rate him, he couldn’t play in this system, or that system is about the level of debate some can make. One poster in particular needs health support for a serious attention seeking disorder. Batth can't play in the system MON wanted, he isn't good enough at passing, has this become a debate all of a sudden?
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Post by hyaduck on May 23, 2022 10:16:37 GMT
Big, big mistake trying to put forward a reasoned argument, potential circumstances etc. He’s shit, the manager didn’t rate him, he couldn’t play in this system, or that system is about the level of debate some can make. One poster in particular needs health support for a serious attention seeking disorder. Batth can't play in the system MON wanted, he isn't good enough at passing, has this become a debate all of a sudden? Wilmot isn't good at passing, in fact he's wank!!!
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 23, 2022 10:23:03 GMT
That would unite the fanbase! He’s the polar opposite of what we need a bit like Sawyers.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 23, 2022 10:28:30 GMT
Batth can't play in the system MON wanted, he isn't good enough at passing, has this become a debate all of a sudden? Wilmot isn't good at passing, in fact he's wank!!! He might get it wrong quite often but tachyon posted data that showed him to be one of the top handful of progressive passers (defenders) in the league. He’s brave on the ball and takes risks instead of the safety first shit a lot of our other players do. He plays how the manager says he wants his players to play and is rewarded by being royally fucked about.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 23, 2022 10:40:20 GMT
The Championship really is Free Transfer Central this summer.
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Post by 16quidachuck on May 23, 2022 10:44:17 GMT
Big, big mistake trying to put forward a reasoned argument, potential circumstances etc. He’s shit, the manager didn’t rate him, he couldn’t play in this system, or that system is about the level of debate some can make. One poster in particular needs health support for a serious attention seeking disorder. It’s not a reasoned argument though. It’s delusional. At every point MON has tried his best not to play Batth. Batth can’t play football, MON wants footballers at the back. It’s that simple. He was let go because he didn’t fit what was needed and we then signed a better player. You won’t debate back though. Just insult as per and it’s pretty pathetic and actually that comment is cruel and very unnecessary given you haven’t actually supplied an argument back. Batth was actually let go because of sticking up for Surridge in training. Apparently O'Neil was always having a go at Surridge in training blaming him for everything (don't know why maybe because of how much money he had spent on him). Batth stuck up for him in one training session saying everyone else was just a culpable and the rest is history. Tbf neither were a big loss. Batth didn't do as bad as people made out when he played this season but we absolutely did the right thing in moving on.
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Post by datguy on May 23, 2022 11:17:59 GMT
No early moves from us in the free market would suggest we've got a bit of cash to spend, no?
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Post by kerouac on May 23, 2022 11:18:28 GMT
It’s not a reasoned argument though. It’s delusional. At every point MON has tried his best not to play Batth. Batth can’t play football, MON wants footballers at the back. It’s that simple. He was let go because he didn’t fit what was needed and we then signed a better player. You won’t debate back though. Just insult as per and it’s pretty pathetic and actually that comment is cruel and very unnecessary given you haven’t actually supplied an argument back. Batth was actually let go because of sticking up for Surridge in training. Apparently O'Neil was always having a go at Surridge in training blaming him for everything (don't know why maybe because of how much money he had spent on him). Batth stuck up for him in one training session saying everyone else was just a culpable and the rest is history. Tbf neither were a big loss. Batth didn't do as bad as people made out when he played this season but we absolutely did the right thing in moving on. How do you know that…? Not having a go but just curious….
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Post by wrexhamstokie90 on May 23, 2022 11:37:29 GMT
The Championship really is Free Transfer Central this summer. Yeah we are just waiting till everyone’s had their pick of the players before we get going
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 23, 2022 11:49:39 GMT
No early moves from us in the free market would suggest we've got a bit of cash to spend, no? No I think it indicates we’re not prepared to compete on wages on speculative acquisitions. Has anyone any good moved anywhere yet.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on May 23, 2022 11:54:49 GMT
No early moves from us in the free market would suggest we've got a bit of cash to spend, no? No I think it indicates we’re not prepared to compete on wages on speculative acquisitions. Has anyone any good moved anywhere yet. I dont think we have much to spend at all.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 23, 2022 11:56:56 GMT
No I think it indicates we’re not prepared to compete on wages on speculative acquisitions. Has anyone any good moved anywhere yet. I dont think we have much to spend at all. Doesn’t matter neither do the others barring the parachute clubs.
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