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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 12, 2022 16:43:19 GMT
Yeah have you? Thought not. Didn’t say I had. Just curious what makes him perfect alongside Baker?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 12, 2022 16:59:19 GMT
Those stats scream someone like Baker not someone to play alongside him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 12, 2022 17:22:48 GMT
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 12, 2022 18:19:25 GMT
I’d like to see better defensive statistics, especially with him moving up a division. Have you seen him play? No I don’t recall watching him.
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Post by nonameface on May 12, 2022 18:53:52 GMT
Never seen the lad play but a quick scout on Youtube, from his time at Crawley, screams box to box to me from very limited evidence. Very similar to Baker. EDIT: Another video of him here at Plymouth - seems very much a box to box and looks very quick: reminds me a bit too much of Imbula. Physically great which allows him to get away from players but then holds on to the ball WAY too long. If he can improve that then he could be some player, if he doesn't though it'll create too many problems as by the time the rest of the team receive the ball from him they will have zero space.
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Post by theonlooker on May 12, 2022 18:54:52 GMT
Never seen the lad play but a quick scout on Youtube, from his time at Crawley, screams box to box to me from very limited evidence. Very similar to Baker. EDIT: Another video of him here at Plymouth - seems very much a box to box and looks very quick: reminds me a bit too much of Imbula. Physically great which allows him to get away from players but then holds on to the ball WAY too long. If he can improve that then he could be some player, if he doesn't though it'll create too many problems as by the time the rest of the team receive the ball from him they will have zero space. The second video at Plymouth screamed 'poor man's Joe Rothwell' to me.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 13, 2022 8:00:37 GMT
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Post by gaznandi on May 13, 2022 8:55:02 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 13, 2022 9:53:43 GMT
Selling? Would that imply we have to buy????
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Post by etebojan on May 13, 2022 11:29:46 GMT
Stoke LOVE a Friday afternoon announcement... they are so predictable, and as nothing else seems to be going on feel we might get chucked a bone today maybe some some kind contract announcement?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 13, 2022 14:54:00 GMT
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Post by theonlooker on May 13, 2022 15:00:30 GMT
Would be a very good signing for us if we could do it. Would be excellent for the development of Bursik too, if we could somehow keep him aswell. One thing I think hasn't helped him is not having someone with pedigree and experience to lean on. Watched his Youtube channel a lot and he seems a real good character.
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Post by huuuuuth on May 13, 2022 15:07:48 GMT
Would be a very good signing for us if we could do it. Would be excellent for the development of Bursik too, if we could somehow keep him aswell. One thing I think hasn't helped him is not having someone with pedigree and experience to lean on. Watched his Youtube channel a lot and he seems a real good character. About time he finally played a game for us
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 13, 2022 15:14:52 GMT
Would be a very good signing for us if we could do it. Would be excellent for the development of Bursik too, if we could somehow keep him aswell. One thing I think hasn't helped him is not having someone with pedigree and experience to lean on. Watched his Youtube channel a lot and he seems a real good character. About time he finally played a game for us He sat on the bench on 12 occasions but never set foot on the pitch 😢
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2022 15:36:00 GMT
Is this the first Championship signing of the window?
Seems quite decent too. Lots of Champ teams linked - but most of the decent Bosmans are going to have half the league after them!
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Post by spitthedog on May 13, 2022 15:53:16 GMT
Would be a very good signing for us if we could do it. Would be excellent for the development of Bursik too, if we could somehow keep him aswell. One thing I think hasn't helped him is not having someone with pedigree and experience to lean on. Watched his Youtube channel a lot and he seems a real good character. When was the last time Stoke had two 40 year olds in their starting line up? If this happened, seems like good pub quiz material.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2022 16:24:14 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on May 13, 2022 16:31:17 GMT
Is this the first Championship signing of the window? Seems quite decent too. Lots of Champ teams linked - but most of the decent Bosmans are going to have half the league after them! Highly rated young defensive midfielder with physical prowess? Naah, that's just not a stoke city type signing.
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Post by crouchbot on May 13, 2022 16:51:11 GMT
West Brom fans have slated Mowatt and accused him of being overweight and lazy....... He looked overweight at Barnsley. Just goes to show how certain players suit certain roles/clubs. When you're smashing them in from all angles every week, you get away with being fat and lazy. When that's not happening, it's a different story. Charlie Adam….
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Post by crouchpotato1 on May 13, 2022 19:40:58 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 13, 2022 20:19:51 GMT
Is this the first Championship signing of the window? Seems quite decent too. Lots of Champ teams linked - but most of the decent Bosmans are going to have half the league after them! Highly rated young defensive midfielder with physical prowess? Naah, that's just not a stoke city type signing. Hasn’t the manager said he doesn’t particularly want/rate physicality in midfield?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2022 20:27:36 GMT
Highly rated young defensive midfielder with physical prowess? Naah, that's just not a stoke city type signing. Hasn’t the manager said he doesn’t particularly want/rate physicality in midfield? Hinted at not wanting to compromise by having a non-footballer in that position- it'd be interesting to know if his feeling has evolved a bit. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-hull-defensive-midfielder-5967508“ I think you defend by keeping the ball now. The days of having a midfield player who just breaks the play up are probably no longer a significant part of the game.
“We focus hard on how we build the game and you need your defensive midfield player, your 6, to be your player who can deal with the ball.
“They have to be able to get the ball back as well but you only have to look at the red card that Tommy Smith received to see that challenges like that are no longer deemed acceptable in the game.
“I think the defensive midfield player has to be positionally good as much as physically good, and a big part of that is being able to handle the ball.
“Joe doesn’t have a massive stature but he probably gets the ball back as much as any player in the league. He’s terrific at getting the ball and reading. He has great strength in those situations, sometimes against players who are physically much bigger than him.
“Romaine is very good at dealing with the ball, Jordan is good at dealing with the ball. We’ve tried to be consistent with that. As much as John Obi gave us great presence in there, we signed him because he could play as much as anything else.
“If you’re going to build a team that is going to build a game and play and have possession then the key attributes for that player are to be able to handle the ball.”www.stokecityfc.com/news/2021/october/19/-we-re-happy-with-midfield-options----o-neill/"It’s always difficult to get the balance right, we probably don’t have that defensive-minded midfielder, we’ve played Joe in there at times, other times we’ve played Joe and Romaine as we did on Saturday. "We’ve had Joe and Jordan Thompson, Romaine and Jordan Thompson so we have various combinations in there but I don’t think we have that holding midfield player that breaks up play and that’s a big part of their game. "We look more for a midfield player that helps us build the game, that has been a big part of what we’ve looked for as opposed to just being destructive. "We have to compensate for that in terms of maybe the shape we play in midfield, but equally more often than not you compensate by retaining possession in key areas.
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Post by Gary Hackett on May 13, 2022 20:45:33 GMT
Hasn’t the manager said he doesn’t particularly want/rate physicality in midfield? Hinted at not wanting to compromise by having a non-footballer in that position- it'd be interesting to know if his feeling has evolved a bit. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-hull-defensive-midfielder-5967508“ I think you defend by keeping the ball now. The days of having a midfield player who just breaks the play up are probably no longer a significant part of the game.
“We focus hard on how we build the game and you need your defensive midfield player, your 6, to be your player who can deal with the ball.
“They have to be able to get the ball back as well but you only have to look at the red card that Tommy Smith received to see that challenges like that are no longer deemed acceptable in the game.
“I think the defensive midfield player has to be positionally good as much as physically good, and a big part of that is being able to handle the ball.
“Joe doesn’t have a massive stature but he probably gets the ball back as much as any player in the league. He’s terrific at getting the ball and reading. He has great strength in those situations, sometimes against players who are physically much bigger than him.
“Romaine is very good at dealing with the ball, Jordan is good at dealing with the ball. We’ve tried to be consistent with that. As much as John Obi gave us great presence in there, we signed him because he could play as much as anything else.
“If you’re going to build a team that is going to build a game and play and have possession then the key attributes for that player are to be able to handle the ball.”www.stokecityfc.com/news/2021/october/19/-we-re-happy-with-midfield-options----o-neill/"It’s always difficult to get the balance right, we probably don’t have that defensive-minded midfielder, we’ve played Joe in there at times, other times we’ve played Joe and Romaine as we did on Saturday. "We’ve had Joe and Jordan Thompson, Romaine and Jordan Thompson so we have various combinations in there but I don’t think we have that holding midfield player that breaks up play and that’s a big part of their game. "We look more for a midfield player that helps us build the game, that has been a big part of what we’ve looked for as opposed to just being destructive. "We have to compensate for that in terms of maybe the shape we play in midfield, but equally more often than not you compensate by retaining possession in key areas. One of the reasons he should be sacked
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 13, 2022 21:06:45 GMT
Hinted at not wanting to compromise by having a non-footballer in that position- it'd be interesting to know if his feeling has evolved a bit. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-hull-defensive-midfielder-5967508“ I think you defend by keeping the ball now. The days of having a midfield player who just breaks the play up are probably no longer a significant part of the game.
“We focus hard on how we build the game and you need your defensive midfield player, your 6, to be your player who can deal with the ball.
“They have to be able to get the ball back as well but you only have to look at the red card that Tommy Smith received to see that challenges like that are no longer deemed acceptable in the game.
“I think the defensive midfield player has to be positionally good as much as physically good, and a big part of that is being able to handle the ball.
“Joe doesn’t have a massive stature but he probably gets the ball back as much as any player in the league. He’s terrific at getting the ball and reading. He has great strength in those situations, sometimes against players who are physically much bigger than him.
“Romaine is very good at dealing with the ball, Jordan is good at dealing with the ball. We’ve tried to be consistent with that. As much as John Obi gave us great presence in there, we signed him because he could play as much as anything else.
“If you’re going to build a team that is going to build a game and play and have possession then the key attributes for that player are to be able to handle the ball.”www.stokecityfc.com/news/2021/october/19/-we-re-happy-with-midfield-options----o-neill/"It’s always difficult to get the balance right, we probably don’t have that defensive-minded midfielder, we’ve played Joe in there at times, other times we’ve played Joe and Romaine as we did on Saturday. "We’ve had Joe and Jordan Thompson, Romaine and Jordan Thompson so we have various combinations in there but I don’t think we have that holding midfield player that breaks up play and that’s a big part of their game. "We look more for a midfield player that helps us build the game, that has been a big part of what we’ve looked for as opposed to just being destructive. "We have to compensate for that in terms of maybe the shape we play in midfield, but equally more often than not you compensate by retaining possession in key areas. One of the reasons he should be sacked If he carries on with it, its only a matter of time.
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Post by NassauDave on May 13, 2022 21:10:51 GMT
If Huddersfield don't go up I think that the goalie Lee Nichols would do a good job for us. Always looks very composed.
Danny Ward is worth a punt too.
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Post by liathroid on May 13, 2022 21:14:14 GMT
Hopefully we will get a few pound to spend if Burnley stay up
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on May 13, 2022 21:40:46 GMT
Ben Foster? I really don’t think so. They would need to get the zimmers out.
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Post by xchpotter on May 14, 2022 6:31:40 GMT
Hasn’t the manager said he doesn’t particularly want/rate physicality in midfield? Hinted at not wanting to compromise by having a non-footballer in that position- it'd be interesting to know if his feeling has evolved a bit. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-hull-defensive-midfielder-5967508“ I think you defend by keeping the ball now. The days of having a midfield player who just breaks the play up are probably no longer a significant part of the game.
“We focus hard on how we build the game and you need your defensive midfield player, your 6, to be your player who can deal with the ball.
“They have to be able to get the ball back as well but you only have to look at the red card that Tommy Smith received to see that challenges like that are no longer deemed acceptable in the game.
“I think the defensive midfield player has to be positionally good as much as physically good, and a big part of that is being able to handle the ball.
“Joe doesn’t have a massive stature but he probably gets the ball back as much as any player in the league. He’s terrific at getting the ball and reading. He has great strength in those situations, sometimes against players who are physically much bigger than him.
“Romaine is very good at dealing with the ball, Jordan is good at dealing with the ball. We’ve tried to be consistent with that. As much as John Obi gave us great presence in there, we signed him because he could play as much as anything else.
“If you’re going to build a team that is going to build a game and play and have possession then the key attributes for that player are to be able to handle the ball.”www.stokecityfc.com/news/2021/october/19/-we-re-happy-with-midfield-options----o-neill/"It’s always difficult to get the balance right, we probably don’t have that defensive-minded midfielder, we’ve played Joe in there at times, other times we’ve played Joe and Romaine as we did on Saturday. "We’ve had Joe and Jordan Thompson, Romaine and Jordan Thompson so we have various combinations in there but I don’t think we have that holding midfield player that breaks up play and that’s a big part of their game. "We look more for a midfield player that helps us build the game, that has been a big part of what we’ve looked for as opposed to just being destructive. "We have to compensate for that in terms of maybe the shape we play in midfield, but equally more often than not you compensate by retaining possession in key areas. Not seen these quotes before, but it does beg the question whether he knows what’s going on. By his rationale, because there may be an incompetent ref who wrongly sends a player off, we should have no physical presence capable of getting the ball back therefore allowing the opposition to waltz through us. Joe Allen getting the ball back? Really? He manages to lose the ball when he’s in a 90:10 tackle in his favour. There are plenty of footballers who can do the dirty work and even if limited in making 50 yard passes can lay the ball off to others who can. The problem is MON has packed his team with incompetent footballers who haven’t a clue how to move or make space so that a player who can ping passes about is needed.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 14, 2022 11:12:09 GMT
Hinted at not wanting to compromise by having a non-footballer in that position- it'd be interesting to know if his feeling has evolved a bit. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-hull-defensive-midfielder-5967508“ I think you defend by keeping the ball now. The days of having a midfield player who just breaks the play up are probably no longer a significant part of the game.
“We focus hard on how we build the game and you need your defensive midfield player, your 6, to be your player who can deal with the ball.
“They have to be able to get the ball back as well but you only have to look at the red card that Tommy Smith received to see that challenges like that are no longer deemed acceptable in the game.
“I think the defensive midfield player has to be positionally good as much as physically good, and a big part of that is being able to handle the ball.
“Joe doesn’t have a massive stature but he probably gets the ball back as much as any player in the league. He’s terrific at getting the ball and reading. He has great strength in those situations, sometimes against players who are physically much bigger than him.
“Romaine is very good at dealing with the ball, Jordan is good at dealing with the ball. We’ve tried to be consistent with that. As much as John Obi gave us great presence in there, we signed him because he could play as much as anything else.
“If you’re going to build a team that is going to build a game and play and have possession then the key attributes for that player are to be able to handle the ball.”www.stokecityfc.com/news/2021/october/19/-we-re-happy-with-midfield-options----o-neill/"It’s always difficult to get the balance right, we probably don’t have that defensive-minded midfielder, we’ve played Joe in there at times, other times we’ve played Joe and Romaine as we did on Saturday. "We’ve had Joe and Jordan Thompson, Romaine and Jordan Thompson so we have various combinations in there but I don’t think we have that holding midfield player that breaks up play and that’s a big part of their game. "We look more for a midfield player that helps us build the game, that has been a big part of what we’ve looked for as opposed to just being destructive. "We have to compensate for that in terms of maybe the shape we play in midfield, but equally more often than not you compensate by retaining possession in key areas. Not seen these quotes before, but it does beg the question whether he knows what’s going on. By his rationale, because there may be an incompetent ref who wrongly sends a player off, we should have no physical presence capable of getting the ball back therefore allowing the opposition to waltz through us. Joe Allen getting the ball back? Really? He manages to lose the ball when he’s in a 90:10 tackle in his favour. There are plenty of footballers who can do the dirty work and even if limited in making 50 yard passes can lay the ball off to others who can. The problem is MON has packed his team with incompetent footballers who haven’t a clue how to move or make space so that a player who can ping passes about is needed. Its as if he's never watched a game in this league before, its a bizarre way of thinking for such a physical league.
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Post by deeside2 on May 14, 2022 11:55:50 GMT
Not seen these quotes before, but it does beg the question whether he knows what’s going on. By his rationale, because there may be an incompetent ref who wrongly sends a player off, we should have no physical presence capable of getting the ball back therefore allowing the opposition to waltz through us. Joe Allen getting the ball back? Really? He manages to lose the ball when he’s in a 90:10 tackle in his favour. There are plenty of footballers who can do the dirty work and even if limited in making 50 yard passes can lay the ball off to others who can. The problem is MON has packed his team with incompetent footballers who haven’t a clue how to move or make space so that a player who can ping passes about is needed. Its as if he's never watched a game in this league before, its a bizarre way of thinking for such a physical league. He really hasn't got a clue has he ? He's obviously not seen the way other teams have just dominated midfield and played straight through us, and it woukd seem that neither him nor his backroom team have learned anything from the past two seasons. I just can't wait for next season with O'Neill in charge.
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