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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 27, 2022 16:53:13 GMT
theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-premier-league-latest/YuH9zIaD5no6/Besiktas make offer for Reading's Lucas JoaoBesiktas have made an offer in the region of £3m for Reading striker Lucas Joao, The Athletic can confirm. A senior source at the Turkish club has explained that the offer has been tabled but they haven't received a formal response as yet from the Championship side. Besiktas also retain an interest in Burnley’s Wout Weghorst, and have held negotiations regarding a loan move. Your starting XI as things stand mate? Probably picks itself at the moment, with no other forward options! We'd struggle to put a bench together at the moment. Not sure about the balance of the back three, and whether Jagielka can play anywhere but the middle - but they're pretty much all we've got assuming he doesn't trust the 2 younger ones (but no doubt Flint will start until Souttar's ready a few games into the season) Bursik Wilmot Souttar Jagielka Clarke Laurent Baker Tymon Campbell Brown Powell
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 17:01:27 GMT
Your starting XI as things stand mate? Probably picks itself at the moment, with no other forward options! We'd struggle to put a bench together at the moment. Not sure about the balance of the back three, and whether Jagielka can play anywhere but the middle - but they're pretty much all we've got assuming he doesn't trust the 2 younger ones (but no doubt Flint will start until Souttar's ready a few games into the season) Bursik Wilmot Souttar Jagielka Clarke Laurent Baker Tymon Campbell Brown Powell Good team to be fair. Powell on the left doesn't work for me though.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 17:22:52 GMT
Probably picks itself at the moment, with no other forward options! We'd struggle to put a bench together at the moment. Not sure about the balance of the back three, and whether Jagielka can play anywhere but the middle - but they're pretty much all we've got assuming he doesn't trust the 2 younger ones (but no doubt Flint will start until Souttar's ready a few games into the season) Bursik Wilmot Souttar Jagielka Clarke Laurent Baker Tymon Campbell Brown Powell Good team to be fair. Powell on the left doesn't work for me though. We cannot let our best player play out of position no matter what. No reason why we can’t play 4-3-3 with Powell as the advanced midfield with the other to paying as number 8’s. And play Campbell through the middle with DWP and Brown as wide forwards. That’s obviously in the unlikely event we don’t sign a striker and midfielder
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Post by neddy on Jun 27, 2022 17:26:36 GMT
Is anyone left to go if Afobe is off imminently other than Etebo? And nobody say Tezgel.
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Post by neddy on Jun 27, 2022 17:27:10 GMT
Is anyone left to go if Afobe is off imminently other than Etebo? And nobody say Tezgel. Oh other than Fox…no chance!
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 17:32:52 GMT
Is anyone left to go if Afobe is off imminently other than Etebo? And nobody say Tezgel. Bursik. I still get a feeling Wilmot might go
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Post by neddy on Jun 27, 2022 17:36:15 GMT
Is anyone left to go if Afobe is off imminently other than Etebo? And nobody say Tezgel. Bursik. I still get a feeling Wilmot might go Clucas an outsider?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 17:36:44 GMT
Is anyone left to go if Afobe is off imminently other than Etebo? And nobody say Tezgel. Oh other than Fox…no chance! would be very surprised if Clucas was here at the close of this window and Bursik.
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Post by pieofpeter on Jun 27, 2022 17:38:06 GMT
Great signing by Newcastle that one! Botman is a cracking centre back.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 17:38:22 GMT
Bursik. I still get a feeling Wilmot might go Clucas an outsider? An outsider? He’s used to it, he’s ginger😉 Possibly but I think unless we get two midfielders in he’ll stay. Can’t see many takers either at the moment.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 17:39:05 GMT
Great signing by Newcastle that one! Botman is a cracking centre back. He’ll be excellent alongside Robin if they can get him in😉
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Post by pieofpeter on Jun 27, 2022 17:40:11 GMT
Great signing by Newcastle that one! Botman is a cracking centre back. He’ll be excellent alongside Robin if they can get him in😉 You forgot na na na na before hand
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Post by potterburt on Jun 27, 2022 17:53:24 GMT
Your starting XI as things stand mate? Probably picks itself at the moment, with no other forward options! We'd struggle to put a bench together at the moment. Not sure about the balance of the back three, and whether Jagielka can play anywhere but the middle - but they're pretty much all we've got assuming he doesn't trust the 2 younger ones (but no doubt Flint will start until Souttar's ready a few games into the season) Bursik Wilmot Souttar Jagielka Clarke Laurent Baker Tymon Campbell Brown Powell We almost currently got the kinda personnel that would fit into one of those lovely 442-MadNath-diamonds!! Bursik Clarke Souttar Jagielka Tymon Wilmot Baker Laurent Powell Campbell Brown
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 17:58:24 GMT
Probably picks itself at the moment, with no other forward options! We'd struggle to put a bench together at the moment. Not sure about the balance of the back three, and whether Jagielka can play anywhere but the middle - but they're pretty much all we've got assuming he doesn't trust the 2 younger ones (but no doubt Flint will start until Souttar's ready a few games into the season) Bursik Wilmot Souttar Jagielka Clarke Laurent Baker Tymon Campbell Brown Powell We almost currently got the kinda personnel that would fit into one of those lovely 442-MadNath-diamonds!! Bursik Clarke Souttar Jagielka Tymon Wilmot Baker Laurent Powell Campbell Brown The thing is that formation CAN work with the correct players in the right positions and the right tactics. It shouldn’t be dismissed because Nath failed to integrate it at Stoke
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 27, 2022 18:01:38 GMT
Probably picks itself at the moment, with no other forward options! We'd struggle to put a bench together at the moment. Not sure about the balance of the back three, and whether Jagielka can play anywhere but the middle - but they're pretty much all we've got assuming he doesn't trust the 2 younger ones (but no doubt Flint will start until Souttar's ready a few games into the season) Bursik Wilmot Souttar Jagielka Clarke Laurent Baker Tymon Campbell Brown Powell We almost currently got the kinda personnel that would fit into one of those lovely 442-MadNath-diamonds!! Bursik Clarke Souttar Jagielka Tymon Wilmot Baker Laurent Powell Campbell Brown At present, I can’t see past: Bonham Clarke Jagielka Flint Wilmot Tymon Laurent Baker Powell Brown Campbell Souttar to replace Flint when he is fit. We need something different up top, a sub for Powell (unless that will be DWP) and a goalkeeper at minimum, for me.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jun 27, 2022 18:08:34 GMT
Brown and Campbell up top is underwhelming. We have to get another striker in although that might have to wait until the end of the window.
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Post by potterburt on Jun 27, 2022 18:16:21 GMT
We almost currently got the kinda personnel that would fit into one of those lovely 442-MadNath-diamonds!! Bursik Clarke Souttar Jagielka Tymon Wilmot Baker Laurent Powell Campbell Brown The thing is that formation CAN work with the correct players in the right positions and the right tactics. It shouldn’t be dismissed because Nath failed to integrate it at Stoke Yeah of course, and actually with this lineup, it could shift into a 532 when needing heavy defending and then when attacking onto a 3-4-3 quite easily - Wilmot drops into a 3, Tymon/Clarke push on as wing backs, Laurent/Baker working the middle, Powell forward through the middle with Campbell and Brown moving slightly wider upfront.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jun 27, 2022 18:26:48 GMT
The thing is that formation CAN work with the correct players in the right positions and the right tactics. It shouldn’t be dismissed because Nath failed to integrate it at Stoke Yeah of course, and actually with this lineup, it could shift into a 532 when needing heavy defending and then when attacking onto a 3-4-3 quite easily - Wilmot drops into a 3, Tymon/Clarke push on as wing backs, Laurent/Baker working the middle, Powell forward through the middle with Campbell and Brown moving slightly wider upfront. What could possibly go wrong👀
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2022 18:29:19 GMT
Probably picks itself at the moment, with no other forward options! We'd struggle to put a bench together at the moment. Not sure about the balance of the back three, and whether Jagielka can play anywhere but the middle - but they're pretty much all we've got assuming he doesn't trust the 2 younger ones (but no doubt Flint will start until Souttar's ready a few games into the season) Bursik Wilmot Souttar Jagielka Clarke Laurent Baker Tymon Campbell Brown Powell Good team to be fair. Powell on the left doesn't work for me though. Don't play him there then, play him behind front 2
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 27, 2022 18:48:45 GMT
I don't see why there shouldn't be any money at all available if a fee of 3.5 million was agreed for Maja in January if we wanted to take it up. If it wasn't possible why would it have been put in the agreement? Not that I think he's worth it by the way.😉
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2022 18:53:20 GMT
I don't see why there shouldn't be any money at all available if a fee of 3.5 million was agreed for Maja in January if we wanted to take it up. If it wasn't possible why would it have been put in the agreement? Not that I think he's worth it by the way.😉 Presumably like the £6m we agreed for Matondo we would only have paid it if we had gone up?
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 27, 2022 18:58:01 GMT
I don't see why there shouldn't be any money at all available if a fee of 3.5 million was agreed for Maja in January if we wanted to take it up. If it wasn't possible why would it have been put in the agreement? Not that I think he's worth it by the way.😉 Presumably like the £6m we agreed for Matondo we would only have paid it if we had gone up? Oh right I see, did MON really think Maja would make that much of a difference?😆
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Post by andystokey on Jun 27, 2022 19:19:26 GMT
I don't see why there shouldn't be any money at all available if a fee of 3.5 million was agreed for Maja in January if we wanted to take it up. If it wasn't possible why would it have been put in the agreement? Not that I think he's worth it by the way.😉 Presumably like the £6m we agreed for Matondo we would only have paid it if we had gone up? It doesn't have to be promotion I suppose. It can just be .. "we agree a fee of £x IF y happens Goals, pigs fly etc.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 19:24:10 GMT
Good team to be fair. Powell on the left doesn't work for me though. Don't play him there then, play him behind front 2 The position doesn't exist in 433. Personally would play him centrally in the front three with the bodies we have at the moment. 4231 suits Powell's type of player best but we've got to go with what produces the best for outcomes and analasys of last season said it bought worse outcomes than just about any other formation.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 19:26:45 GMT
Presumably like the £6m we agreed for Matondo we would only have paid it if we had gone up? It doesn't have to be promotion I suppose. It can just be .. "we agree a fee of £x IF y happens Goals, pigs fly etc. As long as it's something that's extremely unlikely to happen or brings the sort of rewards that make the fee inconsequential. We don't want to be forced to buy some fucker we don't want and can't afford.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 27, 2022 19:33:44 GMT
It doesn't have to be promotion I suppose. It can just be .. "we agree a fee of £x IF y happens Goals, pigs fly etc. As long as it's something that's extremely unlikely to happen or brings the sort of rewards that make the fee inconsequential. We don't want to be forced to buy some fucker we don't want and can't afford. Well if that's the case why would we take them in the first place?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 19:36:12 GMT
4231 Powell in the centre of the 3 behind a lead the line striker. 433 Powell in the centre of the front 3 effectively becoming the lead the line striker. I don't think it's about deciding on a position for Powell then fitting the rest around him. Powell is above average in almost any attacking role the rest aren't. Finding something they can do to an acceptable standard is more difficult. Brown centrally for me is absolute gash. Tyreece centrally could probably do anything Maja did but aerially neither are satisfactory for the role for me.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 19:39:07 GMT
As long as it's something that's extremely unlikely to happen or brings the sort of rewards that make the fee inconsequential. We don't want to be forced to buy some fucker we don't want and can't afford. Well if that's the case why would we take them in the first place? Try before you buy. The loaning club wants to tie you into a permanent deal at the end of it so instead of flatly refusing and souring the negotiations you try to set conditions that will most likely not be met unless you have a windfall.
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Post by march4 on Jun 27, 2022 19:55:45 GMT
Is anyone left to go if Afobe is off imminently other than Etebo? And nobody say Tezgel. Bursik. I still get a feeling Wilmot might go Think both of these might well leave.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 27, 2022 19:58:21 GMT
Translation, please? I'm getting that you are saying we are in the worst financial position we've seen for 6 years and that no matter what personnel the manager uses the results are the same I.e. not good enough? Would that be a reasonable summary? Im saying that we’ve had some awful windows over the last 6 years mainly by our own incompetence this one could be as bad or worse because the manager whatever one’s view of him is , is totally constrained by our fiscal predicament We must hope he's a manager who thrives in a back to the wall, shopping in the dogs home type environment, although I've seen little to suggest that he can provoke much in the way of positive change results-wise after previous transfer windows. We shall see soon. Unfortunately after the much discussed 'summer of 2022 is a chance for the manager to press the reset button on the squad' conversation, it becomes apparent there is no money to spend due to past profligacy.
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