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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 27, 2022 11:29:20 GMT
Where is Etebo?. He's being paid by us, so why isn't he training somewhere with us?. Can Laurent train with us yet?.. when do they depart for Ireland?. Etebo has most likely been instructed not to report back as the manager does not want him. Why do you want him training "somewhere" with us? That doesn't suggest you want him included, just that you just want him to be humiliated by being sent to train with the u11's or something. This is a bloke who's done nothing wrong just express a desire to leave that never had to be accommodated. It’s a shame that FFP rules aren’t more flexible in these cases. I’d imagine that would reduce a lot of the animosity to players like Etebo. It’s not really his problem that he doesn’t want to honour his contract with us. Then again, because of the sheer cost of the transfer and the way that FFP shoestrings clubs, his disinterest screws Stoke over quite a lot. High wages, high fee, no desire to work for his money, no return for Stoke.
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 27, 2022 11:31:41 GMT
Getting an increasingly concerned feeling for this window we’ve literally a world wide low bar in terms of the last 6 summers but i am not sure we aren’t going to give it a go , and our forward line in particular driven in this car as Mitch by circumstances as incompetence but the results on the pitch at the end of the say are the same Translation, please? I'm getting that you are saying we are in the worst financial position we've seen for 6 years and that no matter what personnel the manager uses the results are the same I.e. not good enough? Would that be a reasonable summary?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 11:36:48 GMT
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 11:39:36 GMT
Etebo has most likely been instructed not to report back as the manager does not want him. Why do you want him training "somewhere" with us? That doesn't suggest you want him included, just that you just want him to be humiliated by being sent to train with the u11's or something. This is a bloke who's done nothing wrong just express a desire to leave that never had to be accommodated. It’s a shame that FFP rules aren’t more flexible in these cases. I’d imagine that would reduce a lot of the animosity to players like Etebo. It’s not really his problem that he doesn’t want to honour his contract with us. Then again, because of the sheer cost of the transfer and the way that FFP shoestrings clubs, his disinterest screws Stoke over quite a lot. High wages, high fee, no desire to work for his money, no return for Stoke. Funny he'd worked fine for his money until MON rocked up. All the rest is just bullshit. Player expresses a desire to leave, no problem this is what we value you at if your agent has someone willing to pay it you can negotiate with them. The whole rest of other workplaces have a proportion of employess who'd like to or are actively seeking to leave yet continue to carry out their duties in a competent manner unless or until they do so. Why should there be any animosity to Etebo?
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 11:40:32 GMT
What is Glabraith? or Galbraith which seems to be more likely to be the correct spelling.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 27, 2022 11:43:02 GMT
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Post by LGH87 on Jun 27, 2022 11:43:26 GMT
What is Glabraith? or Galbraith which seems to be more likely to be the correct spelling. Northern Irish midfielder on the books of Man Utd, was at Donny last season. No idea if he’s any good or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 11:53:13 GMT
Getting an increasingly concerned feeling for this window we’ve literally a world wide low bar in terms of the last 6 summers but i am not sure we aren’t going to give it a go , and our forward line in particular driven in this car as Mitch by circumstances as incompetence but the results on the pitch at the end of the say are the same Translation, please? I'm getting that you are saying we are in the worst financial position we've seen for 6 years and that no matter what personnel the manager uses the results are the same I.e. not good enough? Would that be a reasonable summary? Para phrasing: 'we're doomed'
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 27, 2022 12:08:16 GMT
It’s a shame that FFP rules aren’t more flexible in these cases. I’d imagine that would reduce a lot of the animosity to players like Etebo. It’s not really his problem that he doesn’t want to honour his contract with us. Then again, because of the sheer cost of the transfer and the way that FFP shoestrings clubs, his disinterest screws Stoke over quite a lot. High wages, high fee, no desire to work for his money, no return for Stoke. Funny he'd worked fine for his money until MON rocked up. All the rest is just bullshit. Player expresses a desire to leave, no problem this is what we value you at if your agent has someone willing to pay it you can negotiate with them. The whole rest of other workplaces have a proportion of employess who'd like to or are actively seeking to leave yet continue to carry out their duties in a competent manner unless or until they do so. Why should there be any animosity to Etebo? The majority of the rest of workforces don’t lose millions on one individual if they decide they aren’t that interested anymore. If that individual isn’t interested, they are still expected to work to their minimum requirements. While I doubt Asda care if their cashiers are happy and may leave, I bet if someone put money down for a contractor to build their house, the contractor did some work and then decided that he wasn’t particularly interested in the rest, there would be issues. As I said, I think a lot of frustration is generally aimed at the rules that overly protect players and screw clubs. He also stated in an interview a long time ago that he came here expecting to go to the Premier League and wasn’t interested in playing in this division. Again, while I can’t disagree with idea, it still gives Stoke a problem. I couldn’t care less about the player until they play for the club I love.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 12:26:54 GMT
Funny he'd worked fine for his money until MON rocked up. All the rest is just bullshit. Player expresses a desire to leave, no problem this is what we value you at if your agent has someone willing to pay it you can negotiate with them. The whole rest of other workplaces have a proportion of employess who'd like to or are actively seeking to leave yet continue to carry out their duties in a competent manner unless or until they do so. Why should there be any animosity to Etebo? The majority of the rest of workforces don’t lose millions on one individual if they decide they aren’t that interested anymore. If that individual isn’t interested, they are still expected to work to their minimum requirements. While I doubt Asda care if their cashiers are happy and may leave, I bet if someone put money down for a contractor to build their house, the contractor did some work and then decided that he wasn’t particularly interested in the rest, there would be issues. As I said, I think a lot of frustration is generally aimed at the rules that overly protect players and screw clubs. He also stated in an interview a long time ago that he came here expecting to go to the Premier League and wasn’t interested in playing in this division. Again, while I can’t disagree with idea, it still gives Stoke a problem. I couldn’t care less about the player until they play for the club I love. You're not making any sense whatsoever not being particulary interested doesn't prevent the Asda cashier, the builder or Etebo from carrying out their duties to the required standard. Why is Etebo wanting to leave Stoke anymore of a problem than Kane wanting to leave Spurs. N'Zonzi wanted a transfer every Summer he was at Stoke did it stop his level of play from improving? MON/Stoke have caused themselves to lose the millions because they can't deal with a player wanting to leave in a rational manner.
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 27, 2022 12:28:13 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 27, 2022 12:30:46 GMT
Big turnover since January:
Batth Davies Surridge Ince Fletcher Smith Vrancic Doughty Allen TOB
(plus JPB, Moore, THB, Sima, Maja, Sawyers)
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 27, 2022 12:36:21 GMT
The majority of the rest of workforces don’t lose millions on one individual if they decide they aren’t that interested anymore. If that individual isn’t interested, they are still expected to work to their minimum requirements. While I doubt Asda care if their cashiers are happy and may leave, I bet if someone put money down for a contractor to build their house, the contractor did some work and then decided that he wasn’t particularly interested in the rest, there would be issues. As I said, I think a lot of frustration is generally aimed at the rules that overly protect players and screw clubs. He also stated in an interview a long time ago that he came here expecting to go to the Premier League and wasn’t interested in playing in this division. Again, while I can’t disagree with idea, it still gives Stoke a problem. I couldn’t care less about the player until they play for the club I love. You're not making any sense whatsoever not being particulary interested doesn't prevent the Asda cashier, the builder or Etebo from carrying out their duties to the required standard. Why is Etebo wanting to leave Stoke anymore of a problem than Kane wanting to leave Spurs. N'Zonzi wanted a transfer every Summer he was at Stoke did it stop his level of play from improving? MON/Stoke have caused themselves to lose the millions because they can't deal with a player wanting to leave in a rational manner. The minimum required from a football player is to show up for training, work hard in training to improve as a player and push yourself for first team selection. N’Zonzi was able to negotiate new contracts and then played to a higher standard. Kane actually just went AWOL and destroyed Spurs’ hopes of a top 4 again, which cost them hundreds of million in CL revenue. I would say that he is a great example of a footballer having far more power than they should be entitled to. Etebo wanting to leave is not really a big problem. Etebo wanting to leave and Stoke not being able to afford it is. He’s a great example of the failings of the club to overspend and not progress, the failings of ffp and the general failings of people who aren’t interested in honouring a short-term contract that will likely be of a level to set him up for a decade to come.
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Post by theonlooker on Jun 27, 2022 12:37:49 GMT
Big turnover since January: Batth Davies Surridge Ince Fletcher Smith Vrancic Doughty Allen TOB (plus JPB, Moore, THB, Sima, Maja, Sawyers) About 180-200k a week saved there? Batth 25 Davies 15 Surridge 7 Ince 35 Fletcher 15 Smith 25 Vrancic 10 Doughty 10 Allen 55 TOB 5 Obviously figures could be all over the place...
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 12:50:06 GMT
You're not making any sense whatsoever not being particulary interested doesn't prevent the Asda cashier, the builder or Etebo from carrying out their duties to the required standard. Why is Etebo wanting to leave Stoke anymore of a problem than Kane wanting to leave Spurs. N'Zonzi wanted a transfer every Summer he was at Stoke did it stop his level of play from improving? MON/Stoke have caused themselves to lose the millions because they can't deal with a player wanting to leave in a rational manner. The minimum required from a football player is to show up for training, work hard in training to improve as a player and push yourself for first team selection. N’Zonzi was able to negotiate new contracts and then played to a higher standard. Kane actually just went AWOL and destroyed Spurs’ hopes of a top 4 again, which cost them hundreds of million in CL revenue. I would say that he is a great example of a footballer having far more power than they should be entitled to. Etebo wanting to leave is not really a big problem. Etebo wanting to leave and Stoke not being able to afford it is. He’s a great example of the failings of the club to overspend and not progress, the failings of ffp and the general failings of people who aren’t interested in honouring a short-term contract that will likely be of a level to set him up for a decade to come. Wow you don't half like to rewrite history to suit your view N'Zonzi didn't sign any new contracts. Where do I start with the Kane situation your recollection is complete make believe. He said he wanted to leave at the end of the previous season when he'd yet again been one of the top scorers in the league and certainly did more than most if not all Spurs other players to advance their cause for the top 4. Again the following season came back and played a huge part in them getting 4th and qualifying for the CL and now rumoured to be open to considering a contract extention. That's how you deal with a player who expresses a desire to leave. If there is any creditable link to Etebo not honouring his contract please post a link, not even MON who decided he couldn't cope with him wanting to leave without excluding him has ever suggested he's refused to play or refused to train or refused to turn up at the club.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 12:53:09 GMT
Take it he's the little one of the two. What is his position?
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Post by Fred Merger on Jun 27, 2022 13:16:13 GMT
Sawyer's probably in next due to Afobe's 1 year deal to Millwall 😆
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Post by cvillestokie on Jun 27, 2022 13:16:40 GMT
The minimum required from a football player is to show up for training, work hard in training to improve as a player and push yourself for first team selection. N’Zonzi was able to negotiate new contracts and then played to a higher standard. Kane actually just went AWOL and destroyed Spurs’ hopes of a top 4 again, which cost them hundreds of million in CL revenue. I would say that he is a great example of a footballer having far more power than they should be entitled to. Etebo wanting to leave is not really a big problem. Etebo wanting to leave and Stoke not being able to afford it is. He’s a great example of the failings of the club to overspend and not progress, the failings of ffp and the general failings of people who aren’t interested in honouring a short-term contract that will likely be of a level to set him up for a decade to come. Wow you don't half like to rewrite history to suit your view N'Zonzi didn't sign any new contracts. Where do I start with the Kane situation your recollection is complete make believe. He said he wanted to leave at the end of the previous season when he'd yet again been one of the top scorers in the league and certainly did more than most if not all Spurs other players to advance their cause for the top 4. Again the following season came back and played a huge part in them getting 4th and qualifying for the CL and now rumoured to be open to considering a contract extention. That's how you deal with a player who expresses a desire to leave. If there is any creditable link to Etebo not honouring his contract please post a link, not even MON who decided he couldn't cope with him wanting to leave without excluding him has ever suggested he's refused to play or refused to train or refused to turn up at the club. I actually had thought that we did re-sign N'Zonzi once. Turns out we didn't. Kane didn't show up for pre-season, last season because he wanted out. I don't care if you have played well for years, you are paid to do so. That is your job. www.otbsports.com/sport/awol-harry-kane-hurt-by-questions-over-his-professionalism-1235935He took forever to recover his form last season. He didn't score at his level for a good period and if it wasn't for Son, Spurs may not have managed to finish 7th. He wanted to move to Man City who now have Haaland, so likely aren't interested in paying over 100 million for him. As for Etebo, there were a number of links on here a long time ago where he stated that he wanted to come because he thought they would be in the Premier League and he isn't interested in the Championship. It's much harder to find an old link for a player like Etebo than it is Kane.
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Post by bolders on Jun 27, 2022 13:31:56 GMT
Take it he's the little one of the two. What is his position? He is an attacking mid, but he can play either wing
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 13:57:09 GMT
Wow you don't half like to rewrite history to suit your view N'Zonzi didn't sign any new contracts. Where do I start with the Kane situation your recollection is complete make believe. He said he wanted to leave at the end of the previous season when he'd yet again been one of the top scorers in the league and certainly did more than most if not all Spurs other players to advance their cause for the top 4. Again the following season came back and played a huge part in them getting 4th and qualifying for the CL and now rumoured to be open to considering a contract extention. That's how you deal with a player who expresses a desire to leave. If there is any creditable link to Etebo not honouring his contract please post a link, not even MON who decided he couldn't cope with him wanting to leave without excluding him has ever suggested he's refused to play or refused to train or refused to turn up at the club. I actually had thought that we did re-sign N'Zonzi once. Turns out we didn't. Kane didn't show up for pre-season, last season because he wanted out. I don't care if you have played well for years, you are paid to do so. That is your job. www.otbsports.com/sport/awol-harry-kane-hurt-by-questions-over-his-professionalism-1235935He took forever to recover his form last season. He didn't score at his level for a good period and if it wasn't for Son, Spurs may not have managed to finish 7th. He wanted to move to Man City who now have Haaland, so likely aren't interested in paying over 100 million for him. As for Etebo, there were a number of links on here a long time ago where he stated that he wanted to come because he thought they would be in the Premier League and he isn't interested in the Championship. It's much harder to find an old link for a player like Etebo than it is Kane. Even a link to him saying what he did or didn't want is not evidence that he at anytime refused to comply with his contract. His interest in playing in the championship is completely irrelevant. He was signed by us when we were already a championship club and had a number of very decent performances, very few poor ones and no stinkers. I'm sure he was sold the premier league dream by the club when he signed. If there's any anger it should be at MON for cutting off his nose to spite his face on a player that could have been handled just like Kane.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 27, 2022 14:21:58 GMT
Getting an increasingly concerned feeling for this window we’ve literally a world wide low bar in terms of the last 6 summers but i am not sure we aren’t going to give it a go , and our forward line in particular driven in this car as Mitch by circumstances as incompetence but the results on the pitch at the end of the say are the same Translation, please? I'm getting that you are saying we are in the worst financial position we've seen for 6 years and that no matter what personnel the manager uses the results are the same I.e. not good enough? Would that be a reasonable summary? Im saying that we’ve had some awful windows over the last 6 years mainly by our own incompetence this one could be as bad or worse because the manager whatever one’s view of him is , is totally constrained by our fiscal predicament
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Post by gaznandi on Jun 27, 2022 14:43:28 GMT
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Post by Rick Grimes on Jun 27, 2022 14:45:31 GMT
I’m expecting some decent activity now that Allen definitely isn’t signing and we’ve finally got rid of Afobe.
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 27, 2022 14:59:44 GMT
I would be annoyed if Millwall can pay 1.7 million for a player, then not pay a major if not all of his wages.
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Post by biglad180 on Jun 27, 2022 15:15:01 GMT
don,t know if its true but 2 vale lads at work today have both said that Stephen Fletcher is in talks with vale,
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 27, 2022 15:27:33 GMT
Even a link to him saying what he did or didn't want is not evidence that he at anytime refused to comply with his contract. His interest in playing in the championship is completely irrelevant. He was signed by us when we were already a championship club and had a number of very decent performances, very few poor ones and no stinkers. I'm sure he was sold the premier league dream by the club when he signed. If there's any anger it should be at MON for cutting off his nose to spite his face on a player that could have been handled just like Kane. When MoN arrived Etebo told him he wanted out of the club. MoN rightly moved him on. You can't keep a player who doesn't want to be there. Managers should never indulge players - it's the team that matters. If a player thinks they are bigger than the team just get rid. Any manager who doesn't do that will create a destructive dressing room with players not indulged by the manager detesting those that are. Its a recipe for disaster.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on Jun 27, 2022 15:32:55 GMT
Even a link to him saying what he did or didn't want is not evidence that he at anytime refused to comply with his contract. His interest in playing in the championship is completely irrelevant. He was signed by us when we were already a championship club and had a number of very decent performances, very few poor ones and no stinkers. I'm sure he was sold the premier league dream by the club when he signed. If there's any anger it should be at MON for cutting off his nose to spite his face on a player that could have been handled just like Kane. When MoN arrived Etebo told him he wanted out of the club. MoN rightly moved him on. You can't keep a player who doesn't want to be there. Managers should never indulge players - it's the team that matters. If a player thinks they are bigger than the team just get rid. Any manager who doesn't do that will create a destructive dressing room with players not indulged by the manager detesting those that are. Its a recipe for disaster. Kane. N'Zonzi and I'm sure many many more players have said they wanted to leave clubs but have gone on to perform to high standards for the club they want to leave. What's indulgent about saying ok Etebo you want to leave, we want £3M if your agent can find someone to pay that you can go. Until they do get your head down.
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Post by Ron on Jun 27, 2022 15:48:54 GMT
another freebie I’d have been pleased to see us in for.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 27, 2022 16:46:09 GMT
theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-premier-league-latest/YuH9zIaD5no6/Besiktas make offer for Reading's Lucas JoaoBesiktas have made an offer in the region of £3m for Reading striker Lucas Joao, The Athletic can confirm. A senior source at the Turkish club has explained that the offer has been tabled but they haven't received a formal response as yet from the Championship side. Besiktas also retain an interest in Burnley’s Wout Weghorst, and have held negotiations regarding a loan move.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 16:47:16 GMT
theathletic.com/live-blogs/transfer-news-premier-league-latest/YuH9zIaD5no6/Besiktas make offer for Reading's Lucas JoaoBesiktas have made an offer in the region of £3m for Reading striker Lucas Joao, The Athletic can confirm. A senior source at the Turkish club has explained that the offer has been tabled but they haven't received a formal response as yet from the Championship side. Besiktas also retain an interest in Burnley’s Wout Weghorst, and have held negotiations regarding a loan move. Your starting XI as things stand mate?
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