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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 25, 2022 11:34:13 GMT
He won't accept, he's off....... Do you know that for definite mate. There’s been so much speculation that he’s sold his farm, his family have already moved to South Wales, he’s signing for Swansea etc but no one has backed it up with anything. I think you’re probably right. The fact that we obviously haven’t been talking to him before now is a big pointer. As much as some don’t rate him he’ll be big boots to fill from the bargain basement we’re having to shop in. But the Baker signing shows that they are out there though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2022 11:39:44 GMT
Oh ffs
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Post by bojanwonder on Apr 25, 2022 11:40:49 GMT
Really hope he gets a decent send off at our last game, because I think that's the last we will see of him in red and white stripes sadly!
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2022 11:43:55 GMT
(apologies, didn't see it was on the other thread!)
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 25, 2022 11:44:56 GMT
He won't accept, he's off....... Do you know that for definite mate. There’s been so much speculation that he’s sold his farm, his family have already moved to South Wales, he’s signing for Swansea etc but no one has backed it up with anything. I think you’re probably right. The fact that we obviously haven’t been talking to him before now is a big pointer. As much as some don’t rate him he’ll be big boots to fill from the bargain basement we’re having to shop in. But the Baker signing shows that they are out there though. Of course nothing is certain, ultimately it will boil down to the offers he gets but I only know from what a few people I know around the club have said that his preference is to move back closer to his roots or the Premier League.......
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2022 11:47:22 GMT
Hypothetically, if he did stay, he wouldn't be on anywhere near the 40-45 he's rumoured to be on now though, would he? Hard to guess at what wages he'd get now, but given the new reality of the Championship, wouldn't think he'd get much beyond 10k at this stage, certainly if his alternative destination is Swansea, which wouldn't be for the money. If we could get another 12 months of performances at the level we've seen in recent months, we could do a lot worse. But it does look like he's decided to leave, and I can't blame him. The move has largely been a disaster for both sides and he probably can't wait to get the hell out, especially if he's got something lined up at his hometown club Probably more like 50-55k a week 🤦 I don't subscribe to this 'Good move on reduced wages' shite. If we can't get him to perform adequately and consistently with 50k package what fucking hope have we got sticking him on a 10-15k package? Since January/Bakers arrival Allen has been playing adequately and consistently
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 25, 2022 11:47:41 GMT
Do you know that for definite mate. There’s been so much speculation that he’s sold his farm, his family have already moved to South Wales, he’s signing for Swansea etc but no one has backed it up with anything. I think you’re probably right. The fact that we obviously haven’t been talking to him before now is a big pointer. As much as some don’t rate him he’ll be big boots to fill from the bargain basement we’re having to shop in. But the Baker signing shows that they are out there though. Of course nothing is certain, ultimately it will boil down to the offers he gets but I only know from what a few people I know around the have said that his preference is to move back closer to his roots or the Premier League....... Ok mate ta. Think the Premier League train has long gone but you never know. Two years at Swansea with a view to a coaching role would be my bet.
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Post by lordb on Apr 25, 2022 11:49:32 GMT
presumably we will see a flurry of these reports now re the out of contract players
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2022 11:52:12 GMT
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 25, 2022 11:52:35 GMT
Of course nothing is certain, ultimately it will boil down to the offers he gets but I only know from what a few people I know around the have said that his preference is to move back closer to his roots or the Premier League....... Ok mate ta. Think the Premier League train has long gone but you never know. Two years at Swansea with a view to a coaching role would be my bet. I could see him as a squad member for a promoted Sheff Utd, Burnley if they stayed up or maybe someone like Southampton. Failing that unless Swansea or Bristol City come in for him realistically would he choose someone else in the Championship over renewing here?
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 25, 2022 11:55:15 GMT
Think this would be a very underrated summer 'signing'. The fans will by and large knock it but think we'd miss him if he left.
Have been quietly impressed with his form post Baker's arrival.
New deal for Allen and MON would be most welcome this summer...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 25, 2022 11:55:38 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 25, 2022 11:57:18 GMT
Ok mate ta. Think the Premier League train has long gone but you never know. Two years at Swansea with a view to a coaching role would be my bet. I could see him as a squad member for a promoted Sheff Utd, Burnley if they stayed up or maybe someone like Southampton. Failing that unless Swansea or Bristol City come in for him realistically would he choose someone else in the Championship over renewing here? Be interesting to see what he does do. Prior to Christmas I couldn’t have given a fuck if he went there and then. But since the New Year and the introduction of Lewis Baker he’s upped his game massively and would be a loss and difficult to replace from the bargain bucket.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2022 12:00:05 GMT
Think this would be a very underrated summer 'signing'. The fans will by and large knock it but think we'd miss him if he left. Have been quietly impressed with his form post Baker's arrival. Agree. Think he's had his best season by a mile. Interesting to see if it's 12 or 24 months though. It's all about getting the right blend in midfield I don't think Allen-Baker-Powell/Sawyers is a bad blend as long as Allen sits a bit more and Sawyers is advanced when he plays.
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Post by eddyclamp on Apr 25, 2022 12:00:46 GMT
He won't accept, he's off....... Do you know that for definite mate. There’s been so much speculation that he’s sold his farm, his family have already moved to South Wales, he’s signing for Swansea etc but no one has backed it up with anything. I think you’re probably right. The fact that we obviously haven’t been talking to him before now is a big pointer. As much as some don’t rate him he’ll be big boots to fill from the bargain basement we’re having to shop in. But the Baker signing shows that they are out there though. The place he was living in was sold a while back, I know one of his neighbors. Don`t know if moved to somewhere else local.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Apr 25, 2022 12:01:53 GMT
Do you know that for definite mate. There’s been so much speculation that he’s sold his farm, his family have already moved to South Wales, he’s signing for Swansea etc but no one has backed it up with anything. I think you’re probably right. The fact that we obviously haven’t been talking to him before now is a big pointer. As much as some don’t rate him he’ll be big boots to fill from the bargain basement we’re having to shop in. But the Baker signing shows that they are out there though. The place he was living in was sold a while back, I know one of his neighbors. Don`t know if moved to somewhere else local. I heard he moved into the chicken coop on a temporary basis........
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Post by wuzza on Apr 25, 2022 12:02:31 GMT
If Joe stays it is excellent news - simple as that really.
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Post by theonlooker on Apr 25, 2022 12:02:33 GMT
Think this would be a very underrated summer 'signing'. The fans will by and large knock it but think we'd miss him if he left. Have been quietly impressed with his form post Baker's arrival. Agree. Think he's had his best season by a mile. Interesting to see if it's 12 or 24 months though. It's all about getting the right blend in midfield I don't think Allen-Baker-Powell/Sawyers is a bad blend as long as Allen sits a bit more and Sawyers is advanced when he plays. The way our manager has redesigned our recruitment policy, it will probably be 12 months with an option in line with every other 30+ signing he's made. Sensible.
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Post by pushon on Apr 25, 2022 12:05:16 GMT
If you, possibly, exclude Nzonzi....Joe Allen has been our best Central Midfielder since Allan Hudson. Fact.
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Post by FrankButcher on Apr 25, 2022 12:06:25 GMT
I'd only offer him a 12 month contract I wouldn't give him any longer and a pay cut if he doesn't accept that then get rid.
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2022 12:08:19 GMT
Allen on 50,000-a-week has been an absolute albatross.
But I can't see the problem with Allen on 10k-a-week?
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Post by tomsviews on Apr 25, 2022 12:09:23 GMT
If you, possibly, exclude Nzonzi....Joe Allen has been our best Central Midfielder since Allan Hudson. Fact. This is potentially the funniest post I have ever read on this board
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 25, 2022 12:14:06 GMT
Recency bias is massive amongst you lot haha.
He's been crap for about 75% of his time at Stoke, this new deal would almost certainly put him at the top echelon's of the "pot covid alignment" of contracts.
He's 32, his best days are behind him (of which many he was still shite for). This is the time now to finally part ways, shake hands and say goodbye.
Get someone younger and more consistent.
Is it just a coincidence that he's seen an upturn in form for the last 2 months of a 6 year 60k deal?
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Post by spitthedog on Apr 25, 2022 12:15:42 GMT
If you, possibly, exclude Nzonzi....Joe Allen has been our best Central Midfielder since Allan Hudson. Fact. I'm sorry but I cannot accept those 3 names being mentioned in the same sentence Joe is a likeable guy he definitely gives his all but please its really time to move on, it just has not worked out on any level Best season yet?....Yes definitely but the bar is very, very low If he will accept £10k as a squad player then I could live with that, but we really need to look for other younger, and more dynamic options.
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Post by onefatcopper on Apr 25, 2022 12:16:35 GMT
Think this would be a very underrated summer 'signing'. The fans will by and large knock it but think we'd miss him if he left. Have been quietly impressed with his form post Baker's arrival. Agree. Think he's had his best season by a mile. Interesting to see if it's 12 or 24 months though. It's all about getting the right blend in midfield I don't think Allen-Baker-Powell/Sawyers is a bad blend as long as Allen sits a bit more and Sawyers is advanced when he plays. So Joe Allen is in the top ten of defensive midfielders who probably only their own mothers would recognise and coincidentally play for probably the worst 10 teams in their league.
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Post by telfordstokie on Apr 25, 2022 12:18:42 GMT
Allen on 50,000-a-week has been an absolute albatross. But I can't see the problem with Allen on 10k-a-week? The reason he has had plenty of stick (including from me) on the past few years is that if you are paying someone Premier League wages, you need Premier League standard performances to justify it. That’s not happened obviously but if he is on reasonable money, then he’s definitely worth keeping - particularly given how well he works with Baker.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Apr 25, 2022 12:19:44 GMT
If you, possibly, exclude Nzonzi....Joe Allen has been our best Central Midfielder since Allan Hudson. Fact. Nope.
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Post by PotterLog on Apr 25, 2022 12:22:52 GMT
If you, possibly, exclude Nzonzi....Joe Allen has been our best Central Midfielder since Allan Hudson. Fact. Bit too obvious but you might catch a few. 6/10
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 25, 2022 12:23:12 GMT
Agree. Think he's had his best season by a mile. Interesting to see if it's 12 or 24 months though. It's all about getting the right blend in midfield I don't think Allen-Baker-Powell/Sawyers is a bad blend as long as Allen sits a bit more and Sawyers is advanced when he plays. So Joe Allen is in the top ten of defensive midfielders who probably only their own mothers would recognise and coincidentally play for probably the worst 10 teams in their league. We know the budget we've got to play with though, and the calibre of replacement we could bring in for that role, given all the other holes we need to fill and our likely reliance on the Bosman market. If he's fine with 10-12k (and in this post-Covid environment, I'd be amazed if we were offering any more?), I don't think that's terrible business. The major problem I've always had was paying him star-level wages. Take that away and if he can repeat this season's form, I can't see any real issue
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Post by LGH87 on Apr 25, 2022 12:24:00 GMT
Allen on 50,000-a-week has been an absolute albatross. But I can't see the problem with Allen on 10k-a-week? The reason he has had plenty of stick (including from me) on the past few years is that if you are paying someone Premier League wages, you need Premier League standard performances to justify it. That’s not happened obviously but if he is on reasonable money, then he’s definitely worth keeping - particularly given how well he works with Baker. Or we can go out sign someone younger and better and probably on less money too.
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