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Post by franklin on May 15, 2022 20:47:29 GMT
Imho its a lack of physical strength and pace, they are all good "footballers" but they get over run and out fought and with Joe and Powell spend most of their time lying on the turf or simply knocked off the ball easily. Knocked off the ball sounds a bit too dramatic. Eased of the ball, swept past, leant on, seem more realistic descriptions of what I've seen However it's described the result is the same.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 19, 2022 7:57:00 GMT
He's going to end up staying, isn't he? planetswans.co.uk/2022/05/19/martin-i-dont-think-there-is-a-gap-for-joe-allen/“I don’t think there’s a gap in the squad for Joe Allen,” Martin told the BBC. “There may be a gap in the squad [in the future] and he is one person who we would definitely be interested in to fill it. “But at the moment I think it would be a difficult one. It’s whether we can interest Joe enough to wait"
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Post by potterburt on May 19, 2022 8:25:34 GMT
He's going to end up staying, isn't he? planetswans.co.uk/2022/05/19/martin-i-dont-think-there-is-a-gap-for-joe-allen/“I don’t think there’s a gap in the squad for Joe Allen,” Martin told the BBC. “There may be a gap in the squad [in the future] and he is one person who we would definitely be interested in to fill it. “But at the moment I think it would be a difficult one. It’s whether we can interest Joe enough to wait" This kinda has the whiff of Clucas, where we’re openly happy for them to go and court and chat with other clubs and then they come crawling back, tail between legs saying ‘errr, sooo yeah, if that crappy offer you had on the table is still knocking about?” If we managed to get a 1st team replacement for him and Joe gave us another year on 3rd/half his current wages and we used him now and again then that would be a result. Think I heard some ‘Oinks’ in the clouds just then.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 19, 2022 8:32:17 GMT
He's going to end up staying, isn't he? planetswans.co.uk/2022/05/19/martin-i-dont-think-there-is-a-gap-for-joe-allen/“I don’t think there’s a gap in the squad for Joe Allen,” Martin told the BBC. “There may be a gap in the squad [in the future] and he is one person who we would definitely be interested in to fill it. “But at the moment I think it would be a difficult one. It’s whether we can interest Joe enough to wait" This kinda has the whiff of Clucas, where we’re openly happy for them to go and court and chat with other clubs and then they come crawling back, tail between legs saying ‘errr, sooo yeah, if that crappy offer you had on the table is still knocking about?” If we managed to get a 1st team replacement for him and Joe gave us another year on 3rd/half his current wages and we used him now and again then that would be a result. Think I heard some ‘Oinks’ in the clouds just then. Half his wages is still championship star performer money and you want to pay that to a bit part player. The contract offer should be withdrawn, pretty sure it would be for a foreign player.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 19, 2022 8:33:10 GMT
He's going to end up staying, isn't he? planetswans.co.uk/2022/05/19/martin-i-dont-think-there-is-a-gap-for-joe-allen/“I don’t think there’s a gap in the squad for Joe Allen,” Martin told the BBC. “There may be a gap in the squad [in the future] and he is one person who we would definitely be interested in to fill it. “But at the moment I think it would be a difficult one. It’s whether we can interest Joe enough to wait" So they've found out they can't afford him after saying they want him and hope to sign him. Seems like they jumped the gun a little.
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Post by gingerninja on May 19, 2022 8:35:45 GMT
Without a doubt he will re sign here, just when we think we can reset, the carpet is pulled from under our feet. I like Allen, but there has to be younger, better value out there?.
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Post by potterburt on May 19, 2022 8:37:02 GMT
This kinda has the whiff of Clucas, where we’re openly happy for them to go and court and chat with other clubs and then they come crawling back, tail between legs saying ‘errr, sooo yeah, if that crappy offer you had on the table is still knocking about?” If we managed to get a 1st team replacement for him and Joe gave us another year on 3rd/half his current wages and we used him now and again then that would be a result. Think I heard some ‘Oinks’ in the clouds just then. Half his wages is still championship star performer money and you want to pay that to a bit part player. The contract offer should be withdrawn, pretty sure it would be for a foreign player. If it was possible to have Allen on £15-20k as a bench option instead of Clucas then it’s kinda a no brainier. We’ve witnessed how injuries can easily hamper a season. This is all hyperbole and none possible with FFP. Not sure what ‘foreign’ players has to do with anything.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 19, 2022 8:37:17 GMT
Not sure how long he'd wait for them. Presumably it would only happen if they sold another midfielder. One of them, Downes, is expected to attract some interest. But there's nothing to say that wouldn't be July if it happened.
He's not going to want to go too long without being paid, and he knows MON wants him, he's settled, captain, and would play most weeks as we approach the World Cup.
If the south Wales return is off the table, staying somewhere where he's settled is probably as good as he could do.
This talk of 12, glamorous options seems fanciful agent talk.
I do worry about staleness in midfield though - it could be that we just bring the band back together - Allen, Thompson, Baker, Powell, Vrancic (maybe Sawyers?) - and maybe one more if we're lucky.
There was talk of him looking for 25% of his wage to play at Swansea last week - but that is still £10-15k - and TOP Championship wages this summer.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 19, 2022 8:39:35 GMT
If he re-signs that's this club in a nutshell really.
Just devoid of hope or imagination.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 19, 2022 8:42:32 GMT
Half his wages is still championship star performer money and you want to pay that to a bit part player. The contract offer should be withdrawn, pretty sure it would be for a foreign player. If it was possible to have Allen on £15-20k as a bench option instead of Clucas then it’s kinda a no brainier. We’ve witnessed how injuries can easily hamper a season. This is all hyperbole and none possible with FFP. Not sure what ‘foreign’ players has to do with anything. I think the Championship wage market has collapsed to the point where even 25% of Allen's current wage would be really top-end money this summer in our league Probably the reason Powell's best option, by a mile, was taking up his option to re-sign here on his current wage for another 12 months
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 19, 2022 8:43:52 GMT
15-20k bench option? What planet is that on? It's certainly not this one.
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Post by theonlooker on May 19, 2022 8:43:54 GMT
Could actually turn out to be a shrewd move. Ticks the managers experience box without having to go through the rigmarole of bringing someone new in and he started to form a very decent partnership/understanding with Baker post January last season.
He's still a good performer at this level.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 19, 2022 8:46:11 GMT
Could actually turn out to be a shrewd move. Ticks the managers experience box without having to go through the rigmarole of bringing someone new in and he started to form a very decent partnership/understanding with Baker post January last season. He's still a good performer at this level. He's had about 3 months of performing ok at this level from 4 years.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 19, 2022 8:46:42 GMT
Half his wages is still championship star performer money and you want to pay that to a bit part player. The contract offer should be withdrawn, pretty sure it would be for a foreign player. If it was possible to have Allen on £15-20k as a bench option instead of Clucas then it’s kinda a no brainier. We’ve witnessed how injuries can easily hamper a season. This is all hyperbole and none possible with FFP. Not sure what ‘foreign’ players has to do with anything. Foreign players who said they want to move got immediately ostracised from the squad. Yet British player allowed to whore themselves around whilst the club pines for them to comeback wit their tail between their legs and sign reduced terms. Smacks of double standards.
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Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 19, 2022 8:49:38 GMT
Could actually turn out to be a shrewd move. Ticks the managers experience box without having to go through the rigmarole of bringing someone new in and he started to form a very decent partnership/understanding with Baker post January last season. He's still a good performer at this level. Still too lightweight and lacking in physical presence for the deep lying midfield role.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 19, 2022 8:49:51 GMT
Could actually turn out to be a shrewd move. Ticks the managers experience box without having to go through the rigmarole of bringing someone new in and he started to form a very decent partnership/understanding with Baker post January last season. He's still a good performer at this level. He's been poor for most of his time here and he isn't going to improve in the long run. Its a stupid signing, the team need some fresh faces in that midfield to try and find a group/balance that works, resigning an aging player we know doesn't work smacks of laziness.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 19, 2022 9:04:05 GMT
www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/russell-martin-reveals-what-needs-24000537Russell Martin has suggested that Swansea City will need to shift one of their current midfield options if they are to land Joe Allen this summer.
The Swans boss has already admitted that he'd love to bring the Wales international back to SA1, but has, for the first time, cast doubt on whether they will be in a position to do a deal, adding that any successful pursuit would require patience from Allen, whose representatives have already spoken to current club Stoke City about a new deal.
The Potters are understood to be keen on keeping the 32-year-old, although there are a number of clubs waiting in the wings should they fail to reach an agreement
The Swans too have expressed an interest, but at the time of writing are yet to really offer anything in the way of a concrete bid for the Wales international, and Martin has admitted that he may well have to move on one of his current midfield options if a move for the former Liverpool man is to become a possibility.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 19, 2022 9:08:31 GMT
Could actually turn out to be a shrewd move. Ticks the managers experience box without having to go through the rigmarole of bringing someone new in and he started to form a very decent partnership/understanding with Baker post January last season. He's still a good performer at this level. A usually sensible poster completely blindsided by the Welsh Pirlo.
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Post by theonlooker on May 19, 2022 9:09:10 GMT
Could actually turn out to be a shrewd move. Ticks the managers experience box without having to go through the rigmarole of bringing someone new in and he started to form a very decent partnership/understanding with Baker post January last season. He's still a good performer at this level. A usually sensible poster completely blindsided by the Welsh Pirlo. Who's the usually sensible poster then? 🤣
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 19, 2022 9:11:23 GMT
A usually sensible poster completely blindsided by the Welsh Pirlo. Who's the usually sensible poster then? 🤣 You, was a compliment. Quite rare on here i know.
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Post by liathroid on May 19, 2022 11:05:49 GMT
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Post by cheekymatt71 on May 19, 2022 11:14:13 GMT
Joe Allen staying with us screams of mid-table obscurity again next season.
You would think after getting Lewis Baker that MON would back himself more to find a great defensive mid.
but yeah Joes a great pro and always turns up on time for training and is great in the dressing room etc etc. This is a heart ruling head decision from MON and shows again he does lack some ambition
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Post by spitthedog on May 19, 2022 12:10:58 GMT
This is so predictable.
What happened to the queue of Premiership clubs then?.....In your dreams!
He will most likely end up staying and it will be dressed up as a positive, he'll be made club captain, but it means another season of treading water in this division most likely. A player who would happily have gone elsewhere if they would have really wanted him, or been able to afford him
He's been OK with Baker, and that's OK, if OK is OK?
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Post by mickstupp on May 19, 2022 12:27:34 GMT
He's going to end up staying, isn't he? planetswans.co.uk/2022/05/19/martin-i-dont-think-there-is-a-gap-for-joe-allen/“I don’t think there’s a gap in the squad for Joe Allen,” Martin told the BBC. “There may be a gap in the squad [in the future] and he is one person who we would definitely be interested in to fill it. “But at the moment I think it would be a difficult one. It’s whether we can interest Joe enough to wait" Oatcake meltdown imminent 😀
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Post by maine on May 19, 2022 12:41:00 GMT
Joe Allen stays and 'mid table obscurity' awaits some people think. Lose him (or fail to replace him by someone like him) and the relegation zone is probably more likely.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 19, 2022 12:44:56 GMT
Joe Allen stays and 'mid table obscurity' awaits some people think. Lose him (or fail to replace him by someone like him) and the relegation zone is probably more likely. He shouldn’t be that tough to replace and we’ve been largely fine without him on the whole.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 19, 2022 12:55:09 GMT
Joe Allen stays and 'mid table obscurity' awaits some people think. Lose him (or fail to replace him by someone like him) and the relegation zone is probably more likely. He shouldn’t be that tough to replace and we’ve been largely fine without him on the whole. Thompson does the same job fine. And he’s not that good.
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Post by robrigo on May 19, 2022 13:02:11 GMT
I’ve nothing against Joe. He’s a model professional unlike some of the shit we’ve signed the last ten years. But, by God. Surely it’s times to move on?
Stoke City is the very definition of a hamster in a wheel. Round and round on the same path getting absolutely bloody nowhere.
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Post by boskampsflaps on May 19, 2022 13:07:27 GMT
Joe Allen staying with us screams of mid-table obscurity again next season. You would think after getting Lewis Baker that MON would back himself more to find a great defensive mid.
but yeah Joes a great pro and always turns up on time for training and is great in the dressing room etc etc. This is a heart ruling head decision from MON and shows again he does lack some ambition I still don't think he wants one.
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Post by tomcmod on May 19, 2022 13:12:54 GMT
I am not a fan of Joe Allen, I think people obsessing about him supposedly being a key player when he was on more than Baker and Powell is mental. He has improved with Baker along side him but he isn't someone we're desperate for. If they got him to sign a deal that is inline with the new wage budget(£10k max) then I could live with it. Would much prefer it was put to better use though!
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