|
Post by 16quidachuck on May 19, 2022 13:14:30 GMT
He has made a career out of the fact Brendan Rodgers signed him for Liverpool. He's never done anything spectacular in his career. We need to move on.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on May 19, 2022 15:35:32 GMT
|
|
|
Post by fraybentos on May 19, 2022 15:39:22 GMT
|
|
|
Post by skip on May 19, 2022 15:46:44 GMT
I like* Joe Allen but I honestly thought he was older than that. *rate on a good day, tear my hair out when he gives a free kick away in the 82nd minute on the edge of our box and then berates the ref for blowing his whistle.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on May 19, 2022 15:47:30 GMT
Just fuck him off.
We are not a better team with him and it barely goes unnoticed when he's not playing.
I'm sick to death of seeing him play for my club. Get rid, we won't miss him.
|
|
|
Post by scfc75 on May 19, 2022 15:49:32 GMT
The signing that guarantees us top 6 next season
|
|
|
Post by Bojan Mackey on May 19, 2022 22:39:17 GMT
Six years of this incompetent twat in the heart of our midfield, is it any wonder we are where we are.
Just announce his release Stoke, for fucks sake, I’ve never disliked a player more.
|
|
|
Post by cvillestokie on May 19, 2022 22:42:34 GMT
I think he’s looked decent alongside Baker. He has been lumped with some crap alongside him to be fair.
I don’t want him back. I don’t really dislike him, I just don’t think he’s that far ahead of someone like Thompson, especially when you factor in the cost of his wage.
|
|
|
Post by tejstokie on May 20, 2022 2:09:46 GMT
I'd rather another Chelski cast off like Baker tbh. Allen is part of the problem, not the solution. Mind you, we're historically terrible at releasing players for better youth. Baker seems to be a rare find. I'd rather take Allen's wages and take a try on three new "possibilities" than watch him give away possession another season. At least Powell and Vrancic are still around.
|
|
|
Post by stokesaint1 on May 20, 2022 4:18:35 GMT
I wonder if Swansea would be interested in a BOGOFF? Sign Allen (the buy part will be the signing on fee that Allen will no doubt command) and get their other old favourite Clucas for free.
|
|
|
Post by klingon on May 20, 2022 6:17:33 GMT
Sign him for 12 months. In the words of the inestimable Joni Mitchell - “You don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone”
|
|
|
Post by scfcno1fan on May 20, 2022 6:21:43 GMT
If he bloody ends up staying here. Thought there was interest was 12 clubs?
|
|
|
Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 20, 2022 6:25:56 GMT
Sign him for 12 months. In the words of the inestimable Joni Mitchell - “You don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone” Big Yellow Taxi for Allen!
|
|
|
Post by lordb on May 20, 2022 7:16:30 GMT
I think he’s looked decent alongside Baker. He has been lumped with some crap alongside him to be fair. I don’t want him back. I don’t really dislike him, I just don’t think he’s that far ahead of someone like Thompson, especially when you factor in the cost of his wage. That depends on what his new wage would be Can we get someone better for the same wage we will be paying him now? If we had signed Allen last summer we'd all be saying what a solid signing he is His previous obscene wages are gone
|
|
|
Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 20, 2022 8:04:14 GMT
Sign him for 12 months. In the words of the inestimable Joni Mitchell - “You don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone” Big Yellow Taxi for Allen! Its not going ti that far to the new contract signing venue so we can save on. the taxi , and as been said so many times we would not be able to replace him wit better in the current climate and position he would be a very good signing
|
|
|
Post by leesandfordstoupe on May 20, 2022 9:38:32 GMT
Big Yellow Taxi for Allen! Its not going ti that far to the new contract signing venue so we can save on. the taxi , and as been said so many times we would not be able to replace him wit better in the current climate and position he would be a very good signing Keeping him locks in lack of physicality in our midfield. We’re not going to give him a contract and not play him. Just get rid withdraw any contract offer and sign a more physical midfielder to play the deepest midfield role.
|
|
|
Post by SamB_SCFC on May 20, 2022 9:44:28 GMT
It's difficult. His massive wages are gone and he could be useful on reasonable wages. However, he's a player I just associate with failure and our downturn and I feel like we need a fresh start, psychologically as much as anything else. While he's not responsible for our decline, it's fair to say he's not contributed too much positive in that time either despite his admirable work ethic. Probably a time for a fresh start for both. We might end up missing him, but equally we know his many limitations and moving on from him might mean we sign someone who's an improvement.
|
|
|
Post by tommycarlsberg on May 20, 2022 9:46:17 GMT
How this turns out will set the tone for the fans for the beginning of the season. MON ought to be very careful.
He's always split the fan base, as far back as his first season. Now I think a majority are sick of the fucking sight of him.
|
|
|
Post by svengaliinplatforms on May 20, 2022 10:25:59 GMT
Big Yellow Taxi for Allen! Its not going ti that far to the new contract signing venue so we can save on. the taxi , and as been said so many times we would not be able to replace him wit better in the current climate and position he would be a very good signing Benji. If we can find a midfielder in League One who has any of: pace, physicality, height, passing ability, scores goals, links up play or is creative, there are 7 ticks in boxes that we don't currently have. Feel free to list your reasons for keeping him. "He plays for Wales you know", doesn't count.
|
|
|
Post by cvillestokie on May 20, 2022 10:42:38 GMT
I think he’s looked decent alongside Baker. He has been lumped with some crap alongside him to be fair. I don’t want him back. I don’t really dislike him, I just don’t think he’s that far ahead of someone like Thompson, especially when you factor in the cost of his wage. That depends on what his new wage would be Can we get someone better for the same wage we will be paying him now? If we had signed Allen last summer we'd all be saying what a solid signing he is His previous obscene wages are gone Well at 32, he’s not going to be better this season than he was last season. At least, it seems unlikely given the job he plays on the pitch. I can’t see him going from 50k to 5k, which seems more like what Thompson is on. I’d expect him to try and command something like 20k, which is more in line with the better earners in this league. At that price, I think we could get someone better in the short/long-term. As you say, it’s all about the wages and I’m just guessing here.
|
|
|
Post by lordb on May 20, 2022 11:35:39 GMT
That depends on what his new wage would be Can we get someone better for the same wage we will be paying him now? If we had signed Allen last summer we'd all be saying what a solid signing he is His previous obscene wages are gone Well at 32, he’s not going to be better this season than he was last season. At least, it seems unlikely given the job he plays on the pitch. I can’t see him going from 50k to 5k, which seems more like what Thompson is on. I’d expect him to try and command something like 20k, which is more in line with the better earners in this league. At that price, I think we could get someone better in the short/long-term. As you say, it’s all about the wages and I’m just guessing here. It is all guesswork We absolutely should only be offering standard wage, whatever that is, now
|
|
|
Post by hardcastle on May 20, 2022 12:57:33 GMT
That depends on what his new wage would be Can we get someone better for the same wage we will be paying him now? If we had signed Allen last summer we'd all be saying what a solid signing he is His previous obscene wages are gone Well at 32, he’s not going to be better this season than he was last season. At least, it seems unlikely given the job he plays on the pitch. I can’t see him going from 50k to 5k, which seems more like what Thompson is on. I’d expect him to try and command something like 20k, which is more in line with the better earners in this league. At that price, I think we could get someone better in the short/long-term. As you say, it’s all about the wages and I’m just guessing here. I don't think we're paying folk 20K a week any more. 12 / 14 tops l'd imagine, perhaps pushing the boat out a little more for Powell or a a top striker.
|
|
|
Post by george2again on May 20, 2022 13:53:06 GMT
I'd rather another Chelski cast off like Baker tbh. Allen is part of the problem, not the solution. Mind you, we're historically terrible at releasing players for better youth. Baker seems to be a rare find. I'd rather take Allen's wages and take a try on three new "possibilities" than watch him give away possession another season. At least Powell and Vrancic are still around. Billy Gilmour? Largely a forgotten man after a poor spell at Norwich .Season long loan
|
|
|
Post by The Toxic Avenger on May 20, 2022 14:30:22 GMT
I'd rather another Chelski cast off like Baker tbh. Allen is part of the problem, not the solution. Mind you, we're historically terrible at releasing players for better youth. Baker seems to be a rare find. I'd rather take Allen's wages and take a try on three new "possibilities" than watch him give away possession another season. At least Powell and Vrancic are still around. Billy Gilmour? Largely a forgotten man after a poor spell at Norwich .Season long loan He’s just more of what we’ve got with Baker (and to an infinitely lesser extent Clucas) though?
|
|
|
Post by Staffsoatcake on May 21, 2022 8:36:24 GMT
Has he done out since he scored that penalty against us for Liverpool in that Semi.
|
|
|
Post by benjaminbiscuit on May 21, 2022 8:48:25 GMT
That depends on what his new wage would be Can we get someone better for the same wage we will be paying him now? If we had signed Allen last summer we'd all be saying what a solid signing he is His previous obscene wages are gone Well at 32, he’s not going to be better this season than he was last season. At least, it seems unlikely given the job he plays on the pitch. I can’t see him going from 50k to 5k, which seems more like what Thompson is on. I’d expect him to try and command something like 20k, which is more in line with the better earners in this league. At that price, I think we could get someone better in the short/long-term. As you say, it’s all about the wages and I’m just guessing here. Agree on the 20k but if we offer him the same wage as vranic and he accepts he’s a no brainier to sign for me
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2022 8:56:39 GMT
There no way Stoke will be offering anyone 20k wages in this league, going forward in terms of new deals, you'd think.
His mate intimated to the Swansea local press that he'd be asking for somewhere around a quarter of his current wage. So maybe around 10-15. That still seems excessive in this climate though. I get the impression that kind of figure is now absolutely top, top-end money for new deals in this league.
That's probably the reason Powell opted in for another 12 months on his current deal which is now completely out of whack with new Championship deals. He'd have been looking at a substantial drop if he negotiated anything longer-term.
Maybe we'd be amenable to Vrancic moving on if anyone comes in. He was saying he fancied MLS in an interview a couple of weeks ago. It's likely he's only got the extra 12 months through hitting an automatic games-played trigger.
Then Sawyers would make sense.
Baker, Powell and Allen would all expect to play most games though, so I'm not sure where AN Other midfielder we're all craving for a bit more balance fits in, financially or on the pitch?
|
|
|
Post by nonameface on May 21, 2022 9:03:47 GMT
Well at 32, he’s not going to be better this season than he was last season. At least, it seems unlikely given the job he plays on the pitch. I can’t see him going from 50k to 5k, which seems more like what Thompson is on. I’d expect him to try and command something like 20k, which is more in line with the better earners in this league. At that price, I think we could get someone better in the short/long-term. As you say, it’s all about the wages and I’m just guessing here. Agree on the 20k but if we offer him the same wage as Vranic and he accepts he’s a no brainier to sign for me My understanding is championship wages continue to drop, so Vrancic resigning for the same terms as what he had last year is now quite expensive, irrelevant of age. Adding his extra year in and it becomes poorer value, so we shouldn't use it as a yard stick.
|
|
|
Post by Gary Hackett on May 21, 2022 9:35:35 GMT
Baker, Powell and Allen would all expect to play most games though, so I'm not sure where AN Other midfielder we're all craving for a bit more balance fits in, financially or on the pitch? This is the reason Allen has to go in my eyes because we know that 3 in midfield doesn't work. If you've got a proper DM in there alongside Baker and Powell it's a totally different animal.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on May 22, 2022 10:01:50 GMT
Getting a move to his level.
|
|