England

[senojbor]

Oct 16, 2024 10:58:26 GMT vidigoals said:

Absolutely delighted with this appointment.

Me too, best option out there.

[Maccasbarmyarmy]

Oct 16, 2024 9:09:23 GMT eddyclamp said:

Oct 16, 2024 9:03:21 GMT thisisouryear said:

English managers are shit, Eddie Howe was probably our best option but he has a good job at Newcastle, after him we have nobody who is that good. Let's just waste a talented group of players on a shit English manager hey, that's why we wouldn't win anything with England.

Erickson had a talented group of players and look how well he did.

And Italy France Spain Brazil etc had shit teams? Golden generation was a load of bollocks

[JoeinOz]

Oct 16, 2024 11:32:26 GMT FullerMagic said:

Oct 16, 2024 11:29:15 GMT Pugsley said:

What's the reason why he's starting in Jan?

Seems to have come from Tuchel, rather than the FA - but seems odd.

There's still some ties to Bayern Munich that cease on January 1st

[Los Alfareros]

Ear we go.

[jesusmcmuffin]

Oct 16, 2024 8:48:58 GMT eddyclamp said:

England national team should always have an English manager IMO.

They're not good enough.

No English man has ever won the Prem

The last manager was relegated in his only club job with a decent enough squad

[pavel]

Decent appointment, I think the best we could hope for.

[Gods]

Tuchel seems like a confident fella, nothing ever ends well for him but perhaps that's just a metaphor for football and life.

[PotterLog]

Oct 16, 2024 9:44:58 GMT rickyfullerbeer said:

The ‘should be English’ line is a load of absolute hokum.

It applies to nothing else.

If the best doctor was German, you’d want him treating you.

If the nicest girl you knew was German, you’d date her.

If you were offered a Mercedes or a Rover for the same price, you wouldn’t be whittering on about WWII.

It applies to nothing else, apart from every other major footballing nation.

[Tom_stokiepmre89]

Caring about the manager not being English seems a bit farfetched when a good proportion of the team are genetically African.

[Marc01]

I’m not really an England supporter but just heard the press conference.
I think he will do well. The 18 month contract is a good idea.

TT kept referring to “John & Mark”.
With the many press conferences I’ve heard in recent years
I was half expected him to say John & Jon. 🙂

On the point of it being an English manager, I heard earlier that the last English bosses to win European competition were Bob Paisley and Brian Clough…

[shakermaker]

Oct 16, 2024 8:40:05 GMT JoeinOz said:

Tuchel has just been confirmed. He did the deal on Tuesday last week..... before the Greek tragedy. Hence Carsley saying he could go back to the under 21s.

Carsley had basically been taking us for a fool. This explains his mad formation against Greece - he knew he wasn’t getting the job, so he could afford to be maverick. Also if he knew he wasn’t getting the job, why was he messing us about with him backtracking and saying he hadn’t ruled himself out?

[JoeinOz]

Oct 16, 2024 13:11:52 GMT Marc01 said:

I’m not really an England supporter but just heard the press conference.
I think he will do well. The 18 month contract is a good idea.

TT kept referring to “John & Mark”.
With the many press conferences I’ve heard in recent years
I was half expected him to say John & Jon. 🙂

On the point of it being an English manager, I heard earlier that the last English bosses to win European competition were Bob Paisley and Brian Clough…

Joe Fagan 1984

[Mr_DaftBurger]

Anthony Edward Barton 1982

[jesusmcmuffin]

Oct 16, 2024 13:03:02 GMT Tom_stokiepmre89 said:

Caring about the manager not being English seems a bit farfetched when a good proportion of the team are genetically African.

And Irish

Kane, Bellingham, Grealish, Rice, Maddison, Maguire

Not bitter mind you 😭

[Veritas]

Oct 16, 2024 13:03:02 GMT Tom_stokiepmre89 said:

Caring about the manager not being English seems a bit farfetched when a good proportion of the team are genetically African.

Aren't we all genetically African?

[spitthedog]

Oct 16, 2024 13:42:02 GMT Veritas said:

Oct 16, 2024 13:03:02 GMT Tom_stokiepmre89 said:

Caring about the manager not being English seems a bit farfetched when a good proportion of the team are genetically African.

Aren't we all genetically African?

I'd be surprised if we weren't.

Anyone ever done a DNA Ancestry Test?

[Vadiation_Ribe]

Oct 16, 2024 9:19:58 GMT JoeinOz said:

Oct 16, 2024 9:09:23 GMT eddyclamp said:

Erickson had a talented group of players and look how well he did.

Sven did adequately. Did anyone really believe that bollox about a golden generation?

Agreed, although I think that era failed to do better due to performance anxiety from at least a few players. One of Southgate's biggest achievements was taking the pressure off the players. It didn't work when it came to the final hurdle, but I think it would have eventually. Hopefully that stays as part of Southgate's legacy and Southgate isn't forgotten if England go on to win a tournament in the near future.

[Vadiation_Ribe]

Oct 16, 2024 10:08:19 GMT shakermaker said:

Oct 16, 2024 6:52:56 GMT professorplump said:

It's a sad indictment of our system that as a supposed major footballing nation, we can't produce a homegrown coach capable of doing the job. I think it will be many years before an Englishman is coaching Germany. However Tuchel should do a good job although ideally I would have preferred Klopp.

Totally agree. Whether or not you think Tuchel is the right man for the job, we are the only ‘major’ footballing nation (the nation where football itself was born) that have recruited foreign coaches - Germany, France, Spain, Brazil, Argentina… all tournament winners in the past 25 years, have never done it.

Pearce is right, with all the money we plough into coaching it is an embarrassment that we do not have a worthy English coach to put in charge.

It's not an overnight thing. The money the Coates put into the Stoke Academy over 15 years ago has only started to bear fruit in recent years. I imagine coaching is an even slower process.

And Southgate has been a success. We didn't win a major tournament but England were there or thereabouts possibly the most consistently we've been in history?

[Los Alfareros]

Oct 16, 2024 13:42:02 GMT Veritas said:

Oct 16, 2024 13:03:02 GMT Tom_stokiepmre89 said:

Caring about the manager not being English seems a bit farfetched when a good proportion of the team are genetically African.

Aren't we all genetically African?

Notice that no matter which branch in the tree you start at, if you trace far enough back, it will connect with a branch from an indigenous African population. The fact that all branches converge with African populations is a key piece of genetic evidence supporting the theory that all humans originated in Africa.

[thisisouryear]

Oct 16, 2024 10:45:23 GMT jimmygscfc1234 said:

Oct 16, 2024 10:22:46 GMT thisisouryear said:

We are desperate for a couple of decent centre backs to come through and maybe we could push Stones alongside Rice and we could have a winning team.

Are you suggesting we play Stones in midfield? I know he's featured there for Man City but there's no way he would under Tuchel. I'm not his biggest fan at centre back but him and Guehi aren't too bad. We need to see how good Branthwaite is I reckon. I think the FA may have gone for Howe but for the compensation. However, I'm happy with Tuchel and would rather him than Pep actually.

I don't think he is commanding enough to be a centre back and he isn't just a defender, he does like to go forward so defensive mid would suit him and us. I don't think we have a better player than him to play next to rice, Mainoo might be but he isn't yet.

[jimmygscfc1234]

Oct 16, 2024 15:33:20 GMT thisisouryear said:

Oct 16, 2024 10:45:23 GMT jimmygscfc1234 said:

Are you suggesting we play Stones in midfield? I know he's featured there for Man City but there's no way he would under Tuchel. I'm not his biggest fan at centre back but him and Guehi aren't too bad. We need to see how good Branthwaite is I reckon. I think the FA may have gone for Howe but for the compensation. However, I'm happy with Tuchel and would rather him than Pep actually.

I don't think he is commanding enough to be a centre back and he isn't just a defender, he does like to go forward so defensive mid would suit him and us. I don't think we have a better player than him to play next to rice, Mainoo might be but he isn't yet.

No thanks, and I don't think it will happen.

[Gary Hackett]

Oct 16, 2024 13:30:41 GMT shakermaker said:

Oct 16, 2024 8:40:05 GMT JoeinOz said:

Tuchel has just been confirmed. He did the deal on Tuesday last week..... before the Greek tragedy. Hence Carsley saying he could go back to the under 21s.

Carsley had basically been taking us for a fool. This explains his mad formation against Greece - he knew he wasn’t getting the job, so he could afford to be maverick. Also if he knew he wasn’t getting the job, why was he messing us about with him backtracking and saying he hadn’t ruled himself out?

He neither wanted the job or applied for it though did he.

It was pretty obvious he was just happy to fill in.

[smithypotter]

I haven't had much time to read back over the comments in this thread today but is anyone else absolutely grossed out by some of the things said online about Tuchel such as articles around his private life? Considering the amount of coverage the media in football push for subjects around anti-discrimination, why shouldn't this be called out for what it is, xenophobia.

The level of ARROGANCE in this country from gutter journalism, pundits who failed at international level etc makes it very difficult to support my nation and despite the fact we sometimes pride ourselves on having a no fucks given attitude what other nations think of us, you can't say that the hatred for England isn't warranted.

Tuchel who won a champions league getting the best out of a mostly average Chelsea side (having Kante in your midfield helps), nearly won it the previous year with a PSG side notorious for being full of mercenaries, gets thrown to the wolves but the media spent the last 6 years lapping up to a guy who wouldn't get near a job for a premier league club?

Maybe for once the FA have grown a pair and recognised that we still aren't yet producing managers good enough to see us over the line to win something. It might not work out but in the circumstances he's probably the most tactically astute man we could have gotten.

Part of me hopes that he delivers us a trophy and then walks away as a middle finger to our backwards culture.

[FullerMagic]

No explanation from the Chief Exec or Tuchel about whay he isn't starting until January, despite being expressly asked by the BBC. His Bayern contract ran until next summer, so it can't be directly related to that and they've said he had an agreement that no compensation would be payable regardless of when he took his next job

CEO says "we wanted to respect giving Lee the three camps we agreed on, and Thomas wanted to focus solely on the World Cup campaign"

There must be a reason, probably tax/financial, but it's a bit weird he's unveiled 5 months before his first game and knowing he'll be watching Carsley from the stands next month

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 16, 2024 18:41:58 GMT FullerMagic said:

No explanation from the Chief Exec or Tuchel about whay he isn't starting until January, despite being expressly asked by the BBC. His Bayern contract ran until next summer, so it can't be directly related to that and they've said he had an agreement that no compensation would be payable regardless of when he took his next job

CEO says "we wanted to respect giving Lee the three camps we agreed on, and Thomas wanted to focus solely on the World Cup campaign"

There must be a reason, probably tax/financial, but it's a bit weird he's unveiled 5 months before his first game and knowing he'll be watching Carsley from the stands next month

I’ve heard he’s starring in Dick Whittington alongside Jonny Wilkes and Christopher Biggins in the run up to Christmas. Makes sense

[Marc01]

[potters11]

Oct 16, 2024 18:41:58 GMT FullerMagic said:

No explanation from the Chief Exec or Tuchel about whay he isn't starting until January, despite being expressly asked by the BBC. His Bayern contract ran until next summer, so it can't be directly related to that and they've said he had an agreement that no compensation would be payable regardless of when he took his next job

CEO says "we wanted to respect giving Lee the three camps we agreed on, and Thomas wanted to focus solely on the World Cup campaign"

There must be a reason, probably tax/financial, but it's a bit weird he's unveiled 5 months before his first game and knowing he'll be watching Carsley from the stands next month

I read earlier that if we win the Nations League group and are drawn in a small World Cup qualifying group (group of 4!!) then Tuchel’s first competitive match will be September 2025!
Not ideal preparation for a World Cup around 9 months away at that point.

[Goonie]

Is this the type of man we want managing England?


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I'm in

[gaznandi]

Sarina Wiegman, the Dutch manager of the England national team seems to have done passably well with winning the Euros a couple of years ago.

[thehartshillbadger]

Oct 16, 2024 19:08:29 GMT gaznandi said:

Sarina Wiegman, the Dutch manager of the England national team seems to have done passably well with winning the Euros a couple of years ago.

Womens football doesn’t count