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Post by devondumpling on Jul 17, 2024 9:52:50 GMT
I'd honestly be going all out for Ancelotti. He had his head turned by the Brazil job recently and he's at that time of life where a national job would suit him down to the ground. Has 18 months left on his contract but what more can he achieve at Real Madrid, I'm sure it would be negotiable? Appears to get the best out of Bellingham too.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Jul 17, 2024 10:01:40 GMT
Choked? City losing to either Chelsea or Real Madrid in a one off game isn't choking. City we're the better side in both them games too. Out of everyone we've been linked with if Pep aint your number one it's mental, The only thing that i don't think it right, i think your national team manager should be from your nation That's precisely ny point. England were the better side against Italy in Euro 20 Final. England were the better side against France in Qatar. The results of 'one off' games are what define you in international tournament football , not that you gained the most points over 38 games. So yes .... choked. City never lead in either of the ties, England did. You can't choke at 0-0, you choke a lead.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 17, 2024 10:03:09 GMT
I’m firmly in the “high profile world class manager” camp and would happily have Carsley for 12 months if we could get a Guardiola or Ancelotti when their contracts are up. In fact I’d go further and say if we’re not going to go down that route I’d much prefer Carsley over Howe/Potter who I’m just seriously underwhelmed by…… i’d become a human tripod if we got either of them
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 17, 2024 10:13:50 GMT
That's precisely ny point. England were the better side against Italy in Euro 20 Final. England were the better side against France in Qatar. The results of 'one off' games are what define you in international tournament football , not that you gained the most points over 38 games. So yes .... choked. City never lead in either of the ties, England did. You can't choke at 0-0, you choke a lead. Didn't win though did he? Which are the fine margins that will ultimately define Southgate. Based on that I'm not sure Guardiola is any better for the big occasion - as Ten Hag showed us only a few weeks ago.
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Post by emretezzy on Jul 17, 2024 10:59:17 GMT
Guardiola starts by spending a shit load of money on players who HE wants, who fit HIS way of playing or they're out and ruins English players like Hart, Phillips and Grealish in the process. By his own admission doesn't adapt his style of play to accommodate the players available to him - they have to adapt to him. Great attributes for managing rich clubs who can afford Haaland and Rhodri but not sure about National squads. Absolute bollocks that is. If any club in the world could go full PSG and be nonchalant fuck abouts it's Man City. He has every record in England and no matter who you are if you don't fit in your out. The three players you mentioned. Hart can't play with his feet, Phillips come back over weight and Grealish started every game in a Treble winning season but had injury issues last year. Still started both legs of the tie with R.Madrid. He demands ultimate respect and work ethics and if you don't... see you later. It's the kind of no-bullshit attitude that would get the best out of Bellingham who clearly has higher standards than half our squad.
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Post by rowleyscfc on Jul 17, 2024 11:02:49 GMT
City never lead in either of the ties, England did. You can't choke at 0-0, you choke a lead. Didn't win though did he? Which are the fine margins that will ultimately define Southgate. Based on that I'm not sure Guardiola is any better for the big occasion - as Ten Hag showed us only a few weeks ago. Won 39 trophies ffs
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 17, 2024 11:26:13 GMT
Imagine turning your nose up at Pep Guardiola. A coach who has changed the face of football in England.
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Post by thornestein on Jul 17, 2024 11:26:55 GMT
Imagine turning your nose up at Pep Guardiola. A coach who has changed the face of football in England. a success in 3 countries
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Post by moon on Jul 17, 2024 11:31:16 GMT
Imagine turning your nose up at Pep Guardiola. A coach who has changed the face of football in England. There'd be Stokies turning their nose up at him if he replaced Schumacher no doubt, some people are never happy
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 17, 2024 11:50:40 GMT
The Shit were thinking about getting Southgate in,wish they would,instead of Champions League,it would be the Championship.
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2024 12:11:41 GMT
Imagine turning your nose up at Pep Guardiola. A coach who has changed the face of football in England. a success in 3 countries not seen a as a success in Germany so much, which seems daft but he didn't win CL with Bayern so that has affected their view of him
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Post by thornestein on Jul 17, 2024 13:28:20 GMT
not seen a as a success in Germany so much, which seems daft but he didn't win CL with Bayern so that has affected their view of him but how often do they win it anyway 🤷♂️
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2024 13:42:37 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 17, 2024 13:44:08 GMT
Is Howe tactically any good? Watched Newcastle a lot and they are a completely different side away from home.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 17, 2024 14:28:09 GMT
Imagine turning your nose up at Pep Guardiola. A coach who has changed the face of football in England. Thing is, he’d be hugely expensive. No appointment guarantees success but Guardiolas methods require big intense detailed sessions. You don’t get time for that at international level. Also,if he sees his contract out At Man City half the preparation time for the World Cup will be gone. Also, appointing an interim until he’s available would be the tail wagging the dog.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 17, 2024 14:33:33 GMT
Guardiola starts by spending a shit load of money on players who HE wants, who fit HIS way of playing or they're out and ruins English players like Hart, Phillips and Grealish in the process. By his own admission doesn't adapt his style of play to accommodate the players available to him - they have to adapt to him. Great attributes for managing rich clubs who can afford Haaland and Rhodri but not sure about National squads. Absolute bollocks that is. If any club in the world could go full PSG and be nonchalant fuck abouts it's Man City. He has every record in England and no matter who you are if you don't fit in your out. The three players you mentioned. Hart can't play with his feet, Phillips come back over weight and Grealish started every game in a Treble winning season but had injury issues last year. Still started both legs of the tie with R.Madrid. He demands ultimate respect and work ethics and if you don't... see you later. It's the kind of no-bullshit attitude that would get the best out of Bellingham who clearly has higher standards than half our squad. Be interesting to see how he got on with Bellingham given he turned down a move to Manchester City calling it a 'plastic club'.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 17, 2024 14:40:18 GMT
I'm trying to understand why Potter's name is even mentioned?
What has he done to remotely qualify?
Southgate hadn't succeeded at club management but he had a track record with the England set up with 3 years with the Under 21s, as well as his experience as an England player and good knowledge of the environment that he was working in.
I don't really understand why he is rated based on his record?
Swansea : Year 1 (after being relegated to the Championship, after 7 yrs in the PL and hoping to get promotion back) : 10th (their highest position attained during the season, otherwise they struggled) Brighton : Year 1 : 15th Year 2 : 16th Year 3 : 9th (that's his one good season I would say) Chelsea : 11th (lowest points per game return ever in the PL)
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 17, 2024 14:55:05 GMT
I'm trying to understand why Potter's name is even mentioned? What has he done to remotely qualify? Southgate hadn't succeeded at club management but he had a track record with the England set up with 3 years with the Under 21s, as well as his experience as an England player and good knowledge of the environment that he was working in. Before someone jumps in and suggests I'm advocating Potter I'm not - but to answer your question as to 'why?' (apart from his availability) he has a strong reputation in coaching circles about getting the culture right, getting squad focussed in common goals, relationships etc etc (built on some of the novel methods he adopted in Sweden and overachieving with a small town club) and he moved Brighton on another level and would therefore be a contunuity candidate in the vein of Southgate. However whether he's got the additional nous to bring a harder edge to on pitch performance is unproven (I wouldn't damn him for Chelsea, Boely is running it as a basket case).
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 17, 2024 15:09:21 GMT
Guardiola starts by spending a shit load of money on players who HE wants, who fit HIS way of playing or they're out and ruins English players like Hart, Phillips and Grealish in the process. By his own admission doesn't adapt his style of play to accommodate the players available to him - they have to adapt to him. Great attributes for managing rich clubs who can afford Haaland and Rhodri but not sure about National squads. Absolute bollocks that is. If any club in the world could go full PSG and be nonchalant fuck abouts it's Man City. He has every record in England and no matter who you are if you don't fit in your out. The three players you mentioned. Hart can't play with his feet, Phillips come back over weight and Grealish started every game in a Treble winning season but had injury issues last year. Still started both legs of the tie with R.Madrid. He demands ultimate respect and work ethics and if you don't... see you later. It's the kind of no-bullshit attitude that would get the best out of Bellingham who clearly has higher standards than half our squad. Pep has a very specific way of playing, and critical to that is playing out from the back. The goalkeeper is arguably the most important position for that. Neither Pickford or Ramsdale can do that, and I’ve yet to see Pep’s tactics deviate to anything else. As much of a success he has been in club football (with Football Manager cheat mode on it has to be said), I would avoid Pep for the national job.
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 17, 2024 15:10:18 GMT
I'm trying to understand why Potter's name is even mentioned? What has he done to remotely qualify? Southgate hadn't succeeded at club management but he had a track record with the England set up with 3 years with the Under 21s, as well as his experience as an England player and good knowledge of the environment that he was working in. Before someone jumps in and suggests I'm advocating Potter I'm not - but to answer your question as to 'why?' (apart from his availability) he has a strong reputation in coaching circles about getting the culture right, getting squad focussed in common goals, relationships etc etc (built on some of the novel methods he adopted in Sweden and overachieving with a small town club) and he moved Brighton on another level and would therefore be a contunuity candidate in the vein of Southgate. However whether he's got the additional nous to bring a harder edge to on pitch performance is unproven (I wouldn't damn him for Chelsea, Boely is running it as a basket case). That may be so, but his record is undeniably poor (see above), so those qualities don't seem to have transferred on the pitch, he's only had one half decent season at Brighton, the rest is mediocre, and that's being kind. No experience at top level football apart from abject failure at Chelsea. Worst PL manager there ever according to their fans. No England set up experience. Don't get it at all. I would also be worried by anyone who cites Martinez as a managerial mentor.
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Post by shakermaker on Jul 17, 2024 15:14:47 GMT
I’m firmly in the “high profile world class manager” camp and would happily have Carsley for 12 months if we could get a Guardiola or Ancelotti when their contracts are up. In fact I’d go further and say if we’re not going to go down that route I’d much prefer Carsley over Howe/Potter who I’m just seriously underwhelmed by…… If I was Carsley being offered that proposal (especially for what he’s achieved with the U21s), I would tell the FA to get fucked. And what if Carsley is actually doing really well at the end of that 12 months??
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Post by superjw on Jul 17, 2024 15:35:56 GMT
I'm trying to understand why Potter's name is even mentioned? What has he done to remotely qualify? Southgate hadn't succeeded at club management but he had a track record with the England set up with 3 years with the Under 21s, as well as his experience as an England player and good knowledge of the environment that he was working in. I don't really understand why he is rated based on his record? Swansea : Year 1 (after being relegated to the Championship, after 7 yrs in the PL and hoping to get promotion back) : 10th (their highest position attained during the season, otherwise they struggled) Brighton : Year 1 : 15thYear 2 : 16thYear 3 : 9th (that's his one good season I would say) Chelsea : 11th (lowest points per game return ever in the PL) Because for some reason there is this “English only” requirement and potters name is perhaps a best of a bunch. But quality amongst English managers is way below standard we need
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Post by moon on Jul 17, 2024 15:44:09 GMT
I’m firmly in the “high profile world class manager” camp and would happily have Carsley for 12 months if we could get a Guardiola or Ancelotti when their contracts are up. In fact I’d go further and say if we’re not going to go down that route I’d much prefer Carsley over Howe/Potter who I’m just seriously underwhelmed by…… If I was Carsley being offered that proposal (especially for what he’s achieved with the U21s), I would tell the FA to get fucked. And what if Carsley is actually doing really well at the end of that 12 months?? It would be an amazing opportunity for Carsley, I don't think he'd have anything to lose by taking it. He'd surely find a much higher profile job than would be available to him right now after managing England for the best part of a year, even if it didn't go well I think he'd still find something at Championship level after - or maybe as part of Guardiola's team.
I don't see Guardiola happening though, that would be too perfect, the FA will hire Southgate mk2.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 17, 2024 16:17:28 GMT
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Post by hcstokie on Jul 17, 2024 17:51:59 GMT
Feels like this is the most important appointment England will have to make in my lifetime so far. We definitely have the players capable of winning a tournament, now we need a manager that can get the best out of them.
Whoever they go for must compliment the players we have. They need to play front foot, attacking football and get the players pressing like they do for their clubs. I’d break the bank and try for Klopp.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 17, 2024 20:58:32 GMT
If he got the chance he'd take it
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 18, 2024 0:15:05 GMT
Klopp or Ancelotti for me if either remotely interested. They would win us something I'm sure.
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 18, 2024 3:13:01 GMT
Absolute bollocks that is. If any club in the world could go full PSG and be nonchalant fuck abouts it's Man City. He has every record in England and no matter who you are if you don't fit in your out. The three players you mentioned. Hart can't play with his feet, Phillips come back over weight and Grealish started every game in a Treble winning season but had injury issues last year. Still started both legs of the tie with R.Madrid. He demands ultimate respect and work ethics and if you don't... see you later. It's the kind of no-bullshit attitude that would get the best out of Bellingham who clearly has higher standards than half our squad. Be interesting to see how he got on with Bellingham given he turned down a move to Manchester City calling it a 'plastic club'. I’m going to hazard a guess he wouldn’t give the tiniest crummiest shit about something like that
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Post by bubbleblower on Jul 18, 2024 5:54:19 GMT
It will be another boring FA yes man they have the cash to appoint an elite manager but won’t
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