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Post by werrington on Jul 16, 2024 12:29:20 GMT
I'd be going balls deep for Ancelotti. He had his head turned by the Brazil job recently and he's at that time of life where a national job would suit him to the ground. Has 18 months left on his contract but what more can he achieve at Real Madrid, I'm sure it would be negotiable? He's the one i'd go for too. Knows the English game, knows what makes our players tick and doesn't act like a 3 year old child on Christmas Day when he's at the top table. A ruthless operator that would no doubt win a trophy if he found himself in the same position as Southgate. The likes of Howe, Carsley et al are just more of what we've just had. No marks that haven't even wet their heads in top level football. Neither had the Spain manager
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2024 12:29:28 GMT
he always did at Bournemouth (& Burnley) when playing away, produced incredibly dull sides plus all the cheating Stoke v Bournemouth games at our place always horrible Bournemouth were/are a small club doing whatever they needed to do to stay in the premiership The expectations are different at Newcastle and even higher with England It’s night and day it is but difficult to accept the notion he is a manager who plays attacking football If we have to appoint an English manager then would prefer Potter or Carsley I just don't like Howe, would take a lot to persuade me he's someone to get behind
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 12:30:25 GMT
He's the one i'd go for too. Knows the English game, knows what makes our players tick and doesn't act like a 3 year old child on Christmas Day when he's at the top table. A ruthless operator that would no doubt win a trophy if he found himself in the same position as Southgate. The likes of Howe, Carsley et al are just more of what we've just had. No marks that haven't even wet their heads in top level football. Neither had the Spain manager So you're backing Carsley or Steve Cooper for the job then?
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Post by werrington on Jul 16, 2024 12:30:45 GMT
Bournemouth were/are a small club doing whatever they needed to do to stay in the premiership The expectations are different at Newcastle and even higher with England It’s night and day The thought of him and Tindall as England’s manager and coach🤮🤮after all the abuse we’ve given them🤔not for me mate Move on mate Who cares
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 16, 2024 12:31:15 GMT
It's people's perception that Southgate has held the team back is the problem - his record has been excellent. If we'd got identical results playing in an attacking manner then people would be wanting him to continue. We'll soon find out if he was the issue anyway - personally I think the new manager is going to have an impossible job on their hands to meet expectations. the issue isnt losing these games its the manner, the fact its the same decsions each and every time. hes far too cautiuas when he did not need to be. He did not make the big decisions when he needs too. If he had dropped kane for watkins, brought in palmer earlier, gave gordon a decent chance and we got to the semi and lost the complaining would not be there. we could accept losing. but he stuck to the same system, players etc. These tournaments hes had relatively easy paths to the final. His placings are nearly the bare minum given the resources and fixtures Einstein, insanity, same thing, different result etc Southgate has no tactical in game nous is his biggest weakness but I don't think the Spain final was particularly badly managed. We stifled them in the first half and then fell asleep a couple of times defensively. You can argue that attacking them more could have had a better result but then perhaps they'd have torn us a new one with the extra space they'd have had. Either way, we'll soon see if Southgate was the issue at the World Cup in 2026. A good time for him to leave.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 16, 2024 12:31:15 GMT
The thought of him and Tindall as England’s manager and coach🤮🤮after all the abuse we’ve given them🤔not for me mate Move on mate Who cares Me and I would imagine a lot of others
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Post by werrington on Jul 16, 2024 12:31:24 GMT
Neither had the Spain manager So you're backing Carsley or Steve Cooper for the job then? I’m saying it needs to be the right man not the biggest name
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2024 12:34:17 GMT
the issue isnt losing these games its the manner, the fact its the same decsions each and every time. hes far too cautiuas when he did not need to be. He did not make the big decisions when he needs too. If he had dropped kane for watkins, brought in palmer earlier, gave gordon a decent chance and we got to the semi and lost the complaining would not be there. we could accept losing. but he stuck to the same system, players etc. These tournaments hes had relatively easy paths to the final. His placings are nearly the bare minum given the resources and fixtures Einstein, insanity, same thing, different result etc Southgate has no tactical in game nous is his biggest weakness but I don't think the Spain final was particularly badly managed. We stifled them in the first half and then fell asleep a couple of times defensively. You can argue that attacking them more could have had a better result but then perhaps they'd have torn us a new one with the extra space they'd have had. Either way, we'll soon see if Southgate was the issue at the World Cup in 2026. A good time for him to leave. 2026 is USA.Mexico or Canada if we have games in Mexico or southern US it's going tio be hit as such I think Dyche should be ruled out
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 16, 2024 12:34:40 GMT
Neither had the Spain manager So you're backing Carsley or Steve Cooper for the job then? In fact Carsley's u21 side beat the Spain u21 side in the final last time out. They were managed by de la Fuente...
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Post by milton58 on Jul 16, 2024 12:34:44 GMT
Southgate as set very strong foundations for the next incoming manager... just hope the fa choose the right man.... personally I'd brake the bank to try and get klopp but it won't happen Why the fucking hell would Klopp want it? did I say he did that was my personal preference and why swear in your reply...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 16, 2024 12:34:45 GMT
FA want the best available and might not be homegrown 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 12:36:25 GMT
So you're backing Carsley or Steve Cooper for the job then? I’m saying it needs to be the right man not the biggest name The right man is clearly a manager that isn't scared to make big calls in big game situations when it comes to England and a manager that knows the English mentality. We've got oodles of managers that know the English game and players but not many on these shores that have the ability or bollocks to make the big calls. I keep hearing the argument against a big name being the likes of Fabio Capello but that kind of proves the point. He hadn't got a clue about English football, it's history or culture. Ancelotti does and has worked at both ends of the spectrum in the PL - worked for a favourite and achieved and comparatively achieved whilst punching above his weight at Everton. He's the right man.
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2024 12:40:23 GMT
I’m saying it needs to be the right man not the biggest name The right man is clearly a manager that isn't scared to make big calls in big game situations when it comes to England and a manager that knows the English mentality. We've got oodles of managers that know the English game and players but not many on these shores that have the ability or bollocks to make the big calls. I keep hearing the argument against a big name being the likes of Fabio Capello but that kind of proves the point. He hadn't got a clue about English football, it's history or culture. Ancelotti does and has worked at both ends of the spectrum in the PL - worked for a favourite and achieved and comparatively achieved whilst punching above his weight at Everton. He's the right man. He's also at Real Madrid earning a lot more then the FA pay got to be a remote chance we could prise him out of that job
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 16, 2024 12:41:14 GMT
I'd honestly be going all out for Ancelotti. He had his head turned by the Brazil job recently and he's at that time of life where a national job would suit him down to the ground. Has 18 months left on his contract but what more can he achieve at Real Madrid, I'm sure it would be negotiable? Exactly the type of big name manager we should avoid. It's capello or Ericsson all over again. It needs to be an English man or at least a foreign manager that gets the English football culture. Yes I know Ancellotti managed at Chelsea fr a bit, but he would alienate the players again. Southgate for all his tactical issues showed that it's about the team environment ment more than anything
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 16, 2024 12:41:33 GMT
Would Bielsa leave Uruguay?
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Post by werrington on Jul 16, 2024 12:41:41 GMT
I’m saying it needs to be the right man not the biggest name The right man is clearly a manager that isn't scared to make big calls in big game situations when it comes to England and a manager that knows the English mentality. We've got oodles of managers that know the English game and players but not many on these shores that have the ability or bollocks to make the big calls. I keep hearing the argument against a big name being the likes of Fabio Capello but that kind of proves the point. He hadn't got a clue about English football, it's history or culture. Ancelotti does and has worked at both ends of the spectrum in the PL - worked for a favourite and achieved and comparatively achieved whilst punching above his weight at Everton. He's the right man. How do you know Carsley isn’t? I’m not advocating anybody but all this it has to be a big name nonsense sees us going down that weary track wether it be club or country
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 16, 2024 12:41:56 GMT
I’m saying it needs to be the right man not the biggest name The right man is clearly a manager that isn't scared to make big calls in big game situations when it comes to England and a manager that knows the English mentality. We've got oodles of managers that know the English game and players but not many on these shores that have the ability or bollocks to make the big calls. I keep hearing the argument against a big name being the likes of Fabio Capello but that kind of proves the point. He hadn't got a clue about English football, it's history or culture. Ancelotti does and has worked at both ends of the spectrum in the PL - worked for a favourite and achieved and comparatively achieved whilst punching above his weight at Everton. He's the right man. Ancelotti is the only foreigner I'd consider. Amazing manager, knows English game and all round top bloke.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 12:43:30 GMT
The right man is clearly a manager that isn't scared to make big calls in big game situations when it comes to England and a manager that knows the English mentality. We've got oodles of managers that know the English game and players but not many on these shores that have the ability or bollocks to make the big calls. I keep hearing the argument against a big name being the likes of Fabio Capello but that kind of proves the point. He hadn't got a clue about English football, it's history or culture. Ancelotti does and has worked at both ends of the spectrum in the PL - worked for a favourite and achieved and comparatively achieved whilst punching above his weight at Everton. He's the right man. Ancelotti is the only foreigner I'd consider. Amazing manager, knows English game and all round top bloke. He's by far the best candidate and a serious nation looking to dent the top tournaments would be all over him like a rash. Like you say, amazing manager and a top fella to boot. It's a no brainer for me and a stratosphere away from the likes of Eddie Howe and Poch et al.
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2024 12:44:31 GMT
Ancelotti is the only foreigner I'd consider. Amazing manager, knows English game and all round top bloke. He's by far the best candidate and a serious nation looking to debt the top tournaments would be all over him like a rash. Like you say, amazing manager and a top fella to boot. It's a no brainer for me and a stratosphere away from the likes of Eddie Howe and Poch et al. yes but probably not achievable at this time reminds of when Stoke fans used to demand Rafa
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2024 12:45:24 GMT
Would Bielsa leave Uruguay? just check his record out at international football, fails everywhere he goes after a bright start
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 16, 2024 12:45:38 GMT
He's by far the best candidate and a serious nation looking to debt the top tournaments would be all over him like a rash. Like you say, amazing manager and a top fella to boot. It's a no brainer for me and a stratosphere away from the likes of Eddie Howe and Poch et al. yes but probably not achievable at this time reminds of when Stoke fans used to demand Rafa Maybe, but if you don't ask...
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 16, 2024 12:46:47 GMT
I'd honestly be going all out for Ancelotti. He had his head turned by the Brazil job recently and he's at that time of life where a national job would suit him down to the ground. Has 18 months left on his contract but what more can he achieve at Real Madrid, I'm sure it would be negotiable? Exactly the type of big name manager we should avoid. It's capello or Ericsson all over again. It needs to be an English man or at least a foreign manager that gets the English football culture. Yes I know Ancellotti managed at Chelsea fr a bit, but he would alienate the players again. Southgate for all his tactical issues showed that it's about the team environment ment more than anything How does Ancelotti not get English culture (whatever that actually is I might add)? That makes zero sense to me......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2024 12:47:39 GMT
He's by far the best candidate and a serious nation looking to debt the top tournaments would be all over him like a rash. Like you say, amazing manager and a top fella to boot. It's a no brainer for me and a stratosphere away from the likes of Eddie Howe and Poch et al. yes but probably not achievable at this time reminds of when Stoke fans used to demand Rafa If we can't attract a manager like that off the back of going so close many times in a row then we never will. This reminds of some Stoke fans in the PL when they constantly did our club down when we were looking for new managers. "No way will we get him" Why not? The England job is the best job in world football. One tournament win and you go down in football history and folklore.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 16, 2024 12:50:06 GMT
I'm fully on the Carsley bandwagon.
Just to see if the FA have been producing something in the background.
I've no idea if he's a great manager but he did win the euro u21 against Spain in the final.
But yeah we need to know if there is a consistent process and legacy in place for English football started by Southgate and continued by Carsley.
As a possible experiment in continuing football domination by England we need to give it to Carsley.
Hiring someone like Ancellotti is the most short sighted thing ever. We still won't win a World Cup with him most likely and what would we have learned in the process? Nada
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Post by lordb on Jul 16, 2024 12:50:49 GMT
yes but probably not achievable at this time reminds of when Stoke fans used to demand Rafa If we can't attract a manager like that off the back of going so close many times in a row then we never will. This reminds of some Stoke fans in the PL when they constantly did our club down when we were looking for new managers. "No way will we get him" Why not? The England job is the best job in world football. One tournament win and you go down in football history and folklore. " Hi Carlo do you fancy leaving the best job in football for a 50%+ pay cut and probability you won't win anything?"
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 16, 2024 12:52:54 GMT
We’ll never learn will we? Poch another bottler who’s won the square root of FA I don’t think winning something previously needs to be on the CV, hiring an active bottle job would be nice though they also need to want the job If you can name a better candidate than Poch who would take the job the lets get that manager I would personally prefer Carsley or even Howe. Potter reminds me a bit too much of Southgate in his persona. Wouldn’t touch Poch. Too experienced in losing.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 16, 2024 12:53:13 GMT
Exactly the type of big name manager we should avoid. It's capello or Ericsson all over again. It needs to be an English man or at least a foreign manager that gets the English football culture. Yes I know Ancellotti managed at Chelsea fr a bit, but he would alienate the players again. Southgate for all his tactical issues showed that it's about the team environment ment more than anything How does Ancelotti not get English culture (whatever that actually is I might add)? That makes zero sense to me...... He's an old fashioned tactician. Totally comparable to Capello. Our players will just play with fear again under someone like him. He doesn't really foster the we are in it together feeling in any club he's been at. He's a tactician yes but he's not known for man management skills particularly.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 16, 2024 12:54:56 GMT
I'm fully on the Carsley bandwagon. Just to see if the FA have been producing something in the background. I've no idea if he's a great manager but he did win the euro u21 against Spain in the final. But yeah we need to know if there is a consistent process and legacy in place for English football started by Southgate and continued by Carsley. As a possible experiment in continuing football domination by England we need to give it to Carsley. Hiring someone like Ancellotti is the most short sighted thing ever. We still won't win a World Cup with him most likely and what would we have learned in the process? Nada I think there's a lot of merit in what you say. Ancellotti is short term but we might have a better chance of winning something.
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 16, 2024 12:55:02 GMT
I’m saying it needs to be the right man not the biggest name The right man is clearly a manager that isn't scared to make big calls in big game situations when it comes to England and a manager that knows the English mentality. We've got oodles of managers that know the English game and players but not many on these shores that have the ability or bollocks to make the big calls. I keep hearing the argument against a big name being the likes of Fabio Capello but that kind of proves the point. He hadn't got a clue about English football, it's history or culture. Ancelotti does and has worked at both ends of the spectrum in the PL - worked for a favourite and achieved and comparatively achieved whilst punching above his weight at Everton. He's the right man. All due respect, he’s the right man for any job in world football.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 16, 2024 12:55:03 GMT
If we can't attract a manager like that off the back of going so close many times in a row then we never will. This reminds of some Stoke fans in the PL when they constantly did our club down when we were looking for new managers. "No way will we get him" Why not? The England job is the best job in world football. One tournament win and you go down in football history and folklore. " Hi Carlo do you fancy leaving the best job in football for a 50%+ pay cut and probability you won't win anything?" And a load of aggro from fans/pundits/media who are expecting fast flowing attacking football whilst putting other teams to the sword. Can't see him tempted by the offer but you can only ask.
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