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Post by biddulphchav on Jul 14, 2024 22:35:25 GMT
Only players that I feel really turned up for us were Saka, Guehi and to a lesser extent Stones. The rest flattered to deceive which I think was a lot down to the manager and how he was setting us up. As much as I dislike Sterling, he’s the type of player that should be playing up with Kane as his speed buys his partner time to turn and get on the ball. Saka is quick but comes inside all the time so not the same. We’ve so many quality attacking players not just in the squad but available to us for selection, yet we don’t seem to have an identity or playing style. Contrast that with Spain or indeed the extremely defensive Italian sides of the past - at least you can see what they are trying to do.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 14, 2024 22:35:54 GMT
At least every supporter of a big club gets to experience life as a Stoke supporter for a bit.
Schadenfreude or something.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 14, 2024 22:36:57 GMT
Not a foreign manager. I know it's the Premier League way to pay big money for foreigners over developing English players, but what's the point in international football if you just pay a foreigner to come and win for you? Erm...we might actually win something. I don't buy all this small-time 'has to be an English manager' guff. We just need the best manager available. If he happens to be from somewhere other than England then so be it.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 14, 2024 22:39:14 GMT
Not a foreign manager. I know it's the Premier League way to pay big money for foreigners over developing English players, but what's the point in international football if you just pay a foreigner to come and win for you? Erm...we might actually win something. I don't buy all this small-time 'has to be an English manager' guff. We just need the best manager available. If he happens to be from somewhere other than England then so be it. There aren't any English managers who are good enough, if we want to keep it English we may as well keep Southgate.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 14, 2024 22:39:25 GMT
Foden is wank in an England shirt. Him and Bellingham operating, at Southgates request, in the same 3 sq m of pitch doesn't help Palmer did more in his two game cameos than Foden did all tournament. Foden just hasn't got the cahooners for international football. He's like a little boy in the playground.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 14, 2024 22:39:40 GMT
Can we please ditch the cringe worthy It's coming home. Yet,in a couple of years time they will be singing it yet again when the WC comes round. And it'll keep getting sung. Because we are literally the only fuckers who can sing it. We gave the game to the world. It can only come home here...
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 14, 2024 22:43:30 GMT
Not a foreign manager. I know it's the Premier League way to pay big money for foreigners over developing English players, but what's the point in international football if you just pay a foreigner to come and win for you? Erm...we might actually win something. I don't buy all this small-time 'has to be an English manager' guff. We just need the best manager available. If he happens to be from somewhere other than England then so be it. I once saw 'Somewhere other than England' do a cracking acoustic candlelit set supporting World of Twist at a invitation only gig in the 90's. It was something you really had to be there to witness.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 14, 2024 22:43:59 GMT
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Post by PotterLog on Jul 14, 2024 22:45:00 GMT
Not a foreign manager. I know it's the Premier League way to pay big money for foreigners over developing English players, but what's the point in international football if you just pay a foreigner to come and win for you? Erm...we might actually win something. I don't buy all this small-time 'has to be an English manager' guff. We just need the best manager available. If he happens to be from somewhere other than England then so be it. Small time? Pretty much none of the big nations that actually win things would dream of employing a foreign manager. It’s the “small-time” nations that don’t develop their own decent coaches that have to look elsewhere.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 14, 2024 22:47:26 GMT
It just feels to me like we’re never going to get over the line. Spain, whilst best team in the tournament, weren’t an unstoppable force, although probably better than Italy 2021.
I’d love to win something but 2 finals and a semi final out of 4 isn’t bad going at all. But you’d rather win one and be shit in the rest, let’s be honest.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 14, 2024 22:47:41 GMT
I’m a big fan of Declan rice who played for West Ham (not so much Arsenal) who got the ball and was willing to carry it 10, 20, 30 yards forward before playing an attacking pass through a gap. I have no idea where he’s been these last 6 weeks
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 14, 2024 22:52:45 GMT
That fucking pie can fuck off as well. Don’t think Rice had a great game or tournament particularly but Van der Vaart? Piss off.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 22:53:28 GMT
Can we please ditch the cringe worthy It's coming home. Yet,in a couple of years time they will be singing it yet again when the WC comes round. And it'll keep getting sung. Because we are literally the only fuckers who can sing it. We gave the game to the world. It can only come home here... It's funny to say "I told you so" to those who sing it constantly and are convinced it will happen every tournament and tell you that "this is our year" It shouldn't be funny but it is 😂
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 22:55:29 GMT
Who has ever heard of the Spanish manager who has just won the Euros? Does anyone think that he would have achieved that if he had been managing the England team. Pickford MOM for England tells you everything you need to know.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Jul 14, 2024 22:55:39 GMT
And it'll keep getting sung. Because we are literally the only fuckers who can sing it. We gave the game to the world. It can only come home here... It's funny to say "I told you so" to those who sing it constantly and are convinced it will happen every tournament and tell you that "this is our year" It shouldn't be funny but it is 😂 It's a bollox song. But its part of the routine now. And one day, before I die hopefully, it'll happen. And it'll sound so so sweet 😆
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jul 14, 2024 22:58:29 GMT
That fucking pie can fuck off as well. Don’t think Rice had a great game or tournament particularly but Van der Vaart? Piss off. He's obviously going for the sensationalist approach but I thought Rice was absolutely crap all tournament. I christened him "the momentum killer" after the first game and beyond, he was painful to watch..............
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 22:59:38 GMT
Who has ever heard of the Spanish manager who has just won the Euros? Does anyone think that he would have achieved that if he had been managing the England team. He plays good football and plays attacking football as proven in this tournament..so yes ye probably would have had a better shot at winning it with England than Southgate..or any other English manager for that matter.
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 14, 2024 23:00:27 GMT
Erm...we might actually win something. I don't buy all this small-time 'has to be an English manager' guff. We just need the best manager available. If he happens to be from somewhere other than England then so be it. Small time? Pretty much none of the big nations that actually win things would dream of employing a foreign manager. It’s the “small-time” nations that don’t develop their own decent coaches that have to look elsewhere. Yep agree with this
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jul 14, 2024 23:02:00 GMT
That fucking pie can fuck off as well. Don’t think Rice had a great game or tournament particularly but Van der Vaart? Piss off. He's obviously going for the sensationalist approach but I thought Rice was absolutely crap all tournament. I christened him "the momentum killer" after the first game and beyond, he was painful to watch.............. He’s a player that most other sides wouldn’t play or even need in that role. He’s a good player but he doesn’t need to be a negative number 4. He’s better than that, but you have to play him differently.
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 23:04:56 GMT
Who has ever heard of the Spanish manager who has just won the Euros? Does anyone think that he would have achieved that if he had been managing the England team. He plays good football and plays attacking football as proven in this tournament..so yes ye probably would have had a better shot at winning it with England than Southgate..or any other English manager for that matter. This guy is an unknown as far as I am concerned. Pickford MOM for England tells you all you need to know. This Spanish side is not great: they lost Pedri and Rodri had to go off at halftime and his substitute scores the winner from a few yards out. Did you see any of our midfield players that close to goal?
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 14, 2024 23:15:39 GMT
Something positive...
I was kinda shitting it for our defence. And we didn't get tonked in a single game. Ok, partly because Southgate's the type to double bag his dick for a quick wank, but it's also because both Guehi and Konsa were solid.
Spain are a proper good team and we ran them close.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Jul 14, 2024 23:23:28 GMT
He plays good football and plays attacking football as proven in this tournament..so yes ye probably would have had a better shot at winning it with England than Southgate..or any other English manager for that matter. This guy is an unknown as far as I am concerned. Pickford MOM for England tells you all you need to know. This Spanish side is not great: they lost Pedri and Rodri had to go off at halftime and his substitute scores the winner from a few yards out. Did you see any of our midfield players that close to goal? I had no dog in the fight. I thought the game was okay, but not great. As far as Spain not having a great side, they didn't need a great side, they just needed one better than England. The ref was crap and did blow the whistle too early at the end. That probably didn't make a difference, but he still needed to let the teams play the game out.
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 23:25:28 GMT
Spain won every game they played. Beat England, Germany, France and Italy and were highest scorers. How can anyone query that they were the best team? England on the other hand struggled to beat the also rans and needed a dodgy penalty award to make the final.
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Post by whatsashig on Jul 14, 2024 23:25:58 GMT
Erm...we might actually win something. I don't buy all this small-time 'has to be an English manager' guff. We just need the best manager available. If he happens to be from somewhere other than England then so be it. Small time? Pretty much none of the big nations that actually win things would dream of employing a foreign manager. It’s the “small-time” nations that don’t develop their own decent coaches that have to look elsewhere. Develop coaches doesn’t exist they are hired
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Post by pushon on Jul 14, 2024 23:26:18 GMT
Him and Bellingham operating, at Southgates request, in the same 3 sq m of pitch doesn't help Palmer did more in his two game cameos than Foden did all tournament. Foden just hasn't got the cahooners for international football. He's like a little boy in the playground. Unfortunate he is lacking physically, just not able to compete when it's tough. Superb for ManCity, but he has the ball won for him there.
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Post by pushon on Jul 14, 2024 23:35:18 GMT
I’m a big fan of Declan rice who played for West Ham (not so much Arsenal) who got the ball and was willing to carry it 10, 20, 30 yards forward before playing an attacking pass through a gap. I have no idea where he’s been these last 6 weeks Maybe his exalted Manager tells him to play 'safety first' and always stay 'Goal-Side' of the ball?
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 23:37:22 GMT
Palmer did more in his two game cameos than Foden did all tournament. Foden just hasn't got the cahooners for international football. He's like a little boy in the playground. Unfortunate he is lacking physically, just not able to compete when it's tough. Superb for ManCity, but he has the ball won for him there. Trust your own eyes not what the papers/pundits tell you.
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Post by danceswithclams on Jul 14, 2024 23:39:56 GMT
Erm...we might actually win something. I don't buy all this small-time 'has to be an English manager' guff. We just need the best manager available. If he happens to be from somewhere other than England then so be it. Small time? Pretty much none of the big nations that actually win things would dream of employing a foreign manager. It’s the “small-time” nations that don’t develop their own decent coaches that have to look elsewhere. Who gives a flying fuck what other nations would or wouldn't do? I just want a manager who's capable of winning something for MY nation. Couldn't give a shit if the manager is from the Nth dimension so long as they win some silverware.
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 14, 2024 23:55:44 GMT
Time for a decent manager klop should be approached ASAP before Germany do
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Post by pushon on Jul 15, 2024 0:00:49 GMT
Small time? Pretty much none of the big nations that actually win things would dream of employing a foreign manager. It’s the “small-time” nations that don’t develop their own decent coaches that have to look elsewhere. Who gives a flying fuck what other nations would or wouldn't do? I just want a manager who's capable of winning something for MY nation. Couldn't give a shit if the manager is from the Nth dimension so long as they win some silverware. There would need to be massive changes in the English F.A structure and procedure for selecting the National Team Manager. Remember that the 'Head and Shoulders' best Team Manager of his time,namely a Mr B Clough, was never afforded the opportunity to win competitions for England.
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