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Post by werrington on Jul 14, 2024 21:54:33 GMT
We need the right manager not the biggest name
If that’s Carsley so be it
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 21:56:03 GMT
Kane terrible tonight, played everywhere except where he was supposed to - up front. Did nothing in all the games apart from getting us a penalty that should never have been given.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2024 21:56:39 GMT
You'll never see either win anything, I'm afraid. Well I'm 35 and I've seen Stoke win the Autoglass trophy two times so that puts your theory to bed doesn't it. If tinpot trophies count, I guess it does! Despite being at both finals and enjoying them immensely, I think the reality is that they're both really just consolation trophies for clubs that used to be good but are now a bit shit. Perhaps I should've clarified and said anything meaningful or major.
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Jul 14, 2024 21:58:41 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 14, 2024 21:58:41 GMT
Lots of the yanks seem to think he’s going to take over as the head coach of USMNT… United States Mutant Ninja Turtles? Thought Tony scholes was after that plenty of pizza
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 21:58:45 GMT
Would Bielsa be a decent option now that he’s had some international experience? Bielsa has had lots of international experience and failed each time he's the exact opposite of Southgate but has major flaws, no thanks
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 21:59:21 GMT
Would Bielsa be a decent option now that he’s had some international experience? He went on a right rant the other day after Uruguay lost. So he ain't happy there it seems. Played fantastic football at Leeds for the most part and is always on the list of choices for international teams.
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Post by chad on Jul 14, 2024 21:59:50 GMT
That's the problem. There's plenty of them out there. The FA just got to be creative and look outside the box. But they won't. Either Southgate keeps or it goes to Carsley. I fear Eddie Howe is nailed on
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Jul 14, 2024 22:00:21 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 14, 2024 22:00:21 GMT
Would Bielsa be a decent option now that he’s had some international experience? Bielsa has had lots of international experience and failed each time he's the exact opposite of Southgate but has major flaws, no thanks Yep, deleted my post after seeing he’d already been mentioned.
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Jul 14, 2024 22:00:38 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 22:00:38 GMT
That's the problem. There's plenty of them out there. The FA just got to be creative and look outside the box. But they won't. Either Southgate keeps or it goes to Carsley. I fear Eddie Howe is nailed on Wouldn't surprise me one bit..same for Potter or Lampard.
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Post by henry on Jul 14, 2024 22:01:22 GMT
Oh well, £500 better off. Always makes sense betting against England. So, 6 losing bets in a row to get an odds on poke right
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 22:03:08 GMT
Everyonme keeps telling us how good Saka was. How come Cucurella was able to handle him without difficulty and still be able to be one of the most attacking players on the pitch. Foden is knackered and should have been rested duriing the tournament instead of being flogged to death.
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Post by redstriper on Jul 14, 2024 22:03:40 GMT
To be fair to Kane, the way teams are set up now doesn't work for centre forward, it wasn't just him, every team who relied to much on the cf struggled to score goals.
Lukaku, Ronaldo, Arnie, Mbappe, "talismen" - the ball played to towards them at every opportunity. Yet they didn't influence games anything like enough.
Even Morata, playing in the best side, was reduced to little more than a closer and tackler. Hardly won a header all tourno.
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Jul 14, 2024 22:05:39 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 22:05:39 GMT
To be fair to Kane, the way teams are set up now doesn't work for centre forward, it wasn't just him, every team who relied to much on the cf struggled to score goals. Lukaku, Ronaldo, Arnie, Mbappe, "talismen" - the ball played to towards them at every opportunity. Yet they didn't influence games anything like enough. Morata is why I thought Spain would not win The addition of Williams and Yamal has transformed their side Even Morata, playing in the best side, was reduced to little more than a closer and tackler. Hardly won a header all tourno.
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Jul 14, 2024 22:06:19 GMT
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Post by thornestein on Jul 14, 2024 22:06:19 GMT
piss poor tonight , if we ever want win then we need a top attacking manager
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 14, 2024 22:06:53 GMT
I think this talk that we had the best squad is delusional. It is a good squad and should be reaching the semi-finals, on a par with France and Portugal I think. There are big gaps though, and even if you think the manager is limited in his thinking, if the squad was really that good, we would have had more glimpses of that quality.
Spanish players were technically much better.
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 14, 2024 22:08:11 GMT
I'm disappointed but I'm not heartbroken. The added-on time was a shambles but if you're relying on that you know you're in trouble.
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Jul 14, 2024 22:08:45 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2024 22:08:45 GMT
Oh well, £500 better off. Always makes sense betting against England. So, 6 losing bets in a row to get an odds on poke right Two bets. Lost £50 v Netherlands in the semi. Went bigger on Spain because it was the final. The question you have to ask yourself basically is how much am I prepared to "pay" to see my team win? Then, if they don't you at least have the solace of a big payout.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 14, 2024 22:11:20 GMT
So, 6 losing bets in a row to get an odds on poke right Two bets. Lost £50 v Netherlands in the semi. Went bigger on Spain because it was the final. The question you have to ask yourself basically is how much am I prepared to "pay" to see my team win? Then, if they don't you at least have the solace of a big payout. This is how i operate - if a result will effect me badly, I always bet against the result i want to ease the pain.
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Post by Jimmyg on Jul 14, 2024 22:14:35 GMT
I think this talk that we had the best squad is delusional. It is a good squad and should be reaching the semi-finals, on a par with France and Portugal I think. There are big gaps though, and even if you think the manager is limited in his thinking, if the squad was really that good, we would have had more glimpses of that quality. Spanish players were technically much better. Don't think they have better player's just a better team performance. Southgate is not as tactically astute even though he has enough technically gifted players.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 14, 2024 22:18:44 GMT
Genuinely, thanks for the memories Gareth.
You have achieved more than almost all of your predecessors and have made us a team that competes for major tournaments.
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 22:18:54 GMT
To be fair to Kane, the way teams are set up now doesn't work for centre forward, it wasn't just him, every team who relied to much on the cf struggled to score goals. Lukaku, Ronaldo, Arnie, Mbappe, "talismen" - the ball played to towards them at every opportunity. Yet they didn't influence games anything like enough. Morata is why I thought Spain would not win The addition of Williams and Yamal has transformed their side Even Morata, playing in the best side, was reduced to little more than a closer and tackler. Hardly won a header all tourno. Morata might not have scored goals but played very well and was hugely influential for Spain. I know Watkins played a lot less minutes but comparing them is like chalk and cheese. Kane would be embarassed if anyone made a comparison.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 14, 2024 22:19:25 GMT
Everyonme keeps telling us how good Saka was. How come Cucurella was able to handle him without difficulty and still be able to be one of the most attacking players on the pitch. Foden is knackered and should have been rested duriing the tournament instead of being flogged to death. Foden is wank in an England shirt.
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Gods likes this
Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 22:22:14 GMT
Can we please ditch the cringe worthy It's coming home.
Yet,in a couple of years time they will be singing it yet again when the WC comes round.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Jul 14, 2024 22:23:03 GMT
I fear Eddie Howe is nailed on Wouldn't surprise me one bit..same for Potter or Lampard. So three “nailed on”.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 14, 2024 22:25:41 GMT
Well I'm 35 and I've seen Stoke win the Autoglass trophy two times so that puts your theory to bed doesn't it. If tinpot trophies count, I guess it does! Despite being at both finals and enjoying them immensely, I think the reality is that they're both really just consolation trophies for clubs that used to be good but are now a bit shit. Perhaps I should've clarified and said anything meaningful or major. Both of the finals didn't seem tinpot to me at the time or to the thousands of Stokies there celebrating but each to their own. Depends how you define meaningful I suppose.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 14, 2024 22:26:52 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me one bit..same for Potter or Lampard. So three “nailed on”. They could pick all 3 & we would still fail. England managers are years behind foreign managers when it comes to winning trophies.
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 22:28:36 GMT
Everyonme keeps telling us how good Saka was. How come Cucurella was able to handle him without difficulty and still be able to be one of the most attacking players on the pitch. Foden is knackered and should have been rested duriing the tournament instead of being flogged to death. Foden is wank in an England shirt. He should have been rested ,instead of being played out of position to accomodate others. It was almost miraculous to get a shot on target from that ball that he had to stretch for with his left foot.
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Post by willieeetmiout on Jul 14, 2024 22:29:24 GMT
Everyonme keeps telling us how good Saka was. How come Cucurella was able to handle him without difficulty and still be able to be one of the most attacking players on the pitch. Foden is knackered and should have been rested duriing the tournament instead of being flogged to death. Foden is wank in an England shirt. Him and Bellingham operating, at Southgates request, in the same 3 sq m of pitch doesn't help
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 22:34:47 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me one bit..same for Potter or Lampard. So three “nailed on”. I meant either of those 3 wouldn't surprise me..but you knew what I meant.
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 22:35:09 GMT
Foden is wank in an England shirt. Him and Bellingham operating, at Southgates request, in the same 3 sq m of pitch doesn't help I presume that you are talking about Foden. Rice, Foden, Bellingham . Kane, Saka. ++ having no influence on the game, how can you expect to win unless at 0-0 you score a jammy goal. Can someone tell me who had a good game tonight apart from Pickford?
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