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Jul 14, 2024 21:42:55 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 21:42:55 GMT
These players are crying out for a creative manager. You won't get one of those in England.
If they sack Southgate (i don't think they will) they'll give it to Lee Carsley as it is the easiest option.
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Jul 14, 2024 21:43:06 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 21:43:06 GMT
We need winners mate, not more chancers or 'builders'. Poch is another builder. Howe is a chancer. Potter unproven at that level. You're talking Mourinho, Klopp, Ancelotti. Mourinho is a very dour manager these days. Klopp if he could persuaded would obviously be a very exciting choice - an excellent manager and passionate too Just think Klopp wants a break, year down the line different story
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England
Jul 14, 2024 21:43:22 GMT
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Post by hotterpotter on Jul 14, 2024 21:43:22 GMT
Kane retiring from international football will do this team a world of good Great player individual doesn’t fit this team Probably a blessing
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Post by bertiestan on Jul 14, 2024 21:43:57 GMT
I’ve always said I’d love England to win something but Stoke are my bread and butter…UTP🔴⚪️
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 14, 2024 21:44:26 GMT
Highest paid manager in international football with arguably the world's best squad at his disposal. Get him gone I think the squad is top 5-6 but who do we have that's actually world class - Bellingham? - Foden? - Not Kane based on this tournament. Maybe Saka? - Mainoo looks like he has the potential.
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 21:44:29 GMT
Mourinho is a very dour manager these days. Klopp if he could persuaded would obviously be a very exciting choice - an excellent manager and passionate too Just think Klopp wants a break, year down the line different story Nixon just said Bielsa or that Colombian manager who is playing top quality stuff at the moment. Those are the areas we should be looking. But we all know it will be some boring English guy and the cycle will rinse and repeat
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Post by collo68 on Jul 14, 2024 21:44:49 GMT
Mourinho is a very dour manager these days. Klopp if he could persuaded would obviously be a very exciting choice - an excellent manager and passionate too Just think Klopp wants a break, year down the line different story The FA should be camping outside Klopps house till he says yes
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England
Jul 14, 2024 21:44:52 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2024 21:44:52 GMT
Oh well, £500 better off. Always makes sense betting against England. This is the bonus of not giving a shit about international football. Makes betting easy as you're not swayed by England. The hard part is resisting saying "i was right" to all your friends and family who thought England will win it every tournament 😅 The amount of bets that go on England purely for sentimental and patriotic reasons also makes the bet value of the opposition better too.
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Post by independent on Jul 14, 2024 21:45:07 GMT
Like a lot of people I like Southgate but don't think that he is good enough as a manager. 4 years ago I said that if Mancini and he had changed sides then England would have won the Euros in 2020. However, if we had played an open game throughout the tournament, would we have even made the final. I really think our players are playing far too many games and a lot of them are greatly overrated. Was it a coincidence that Rodri went off at half-time for Spain and that the quality of the tournament was very poor. Antiques like Pepe and Modric etc still able to hold their own.
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Jul 14, 2024 21:45:27 GMT
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2024 21:45:27 GMT
I’ve always said I’d love England to win something but Stoke are my bread and butter…UTP🔴⚪️ You'll never see either win anything, I'm afraid.
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England
Jul 14, 2024 21:46:09 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 14, 2024 21:46:09 GMT
Just think Klopp wants a break, year down the line different story Nixon just said Bielsa or that Colombian manager who is playing top quality stuff at the moment. Those are the areas we should be looking. But we all know it will be some boring English guy and the cycle will rinse and repeat We went down the trendy foreigners route with Capello and Sven and they managed to make us even worse. The England job is for an Englishman.
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Jul 14, 2024 21:47:32 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 21:47:32 GMT
This is the bonus of not giving a shit about international football. Makes betting easy as you're not swayed by England. The hard part is resisting saying "i was right" to all your friends and family who thought England will win it every tournament 😅 The amount of bets that go on England purely for sentimental and patriotic reasons also makes the bet value of the opposition better too. Benefitted from it for many years now 😂 I was 8 years old last time I watched an England game fully..Euro 96. Always hated international football but it makes for great betting.
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Jul 14, 2024 21:47:35 GMT
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Post by tommycarlsberg on Jul 14, 2024 21:47:35 GMT
You have to sit back and look at the bigger picture as tough as it is. 2 finals, a semi and a quarter finals in the last 4 tournaments suggests it will happen at some point. Shake hands with Southgate, thank him for his excellent service and try and appoint a more dynamic manager that can get more out of this group offensively............ disagree mate. They’ve been shite, and if they didn’t get lucky with the draw we wouldn’t even be having this conversation
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 21:48:15 GMT
Just think Klopp wants a break, year down the line different story Nixon just said Bielsa or that Colombian manager who is playing top quality stuff at the moment. Those are the areas we should be looking. But we all know it will be some boring English guy and the cycle will rinse and repeat Bielsa fails everywhere goes, absolute charlatan
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 14, 2024 21:48:17 GMT
At the end of a disappointing evening what I would say is that as a country at the moment we’re in a very good place with some excellent young players coming through that should see us through the next 4 tournaments at least. Some will get better and some will drop off to be replaced by better.
The only thing missing is a world class striker to replace Kane when he hangs up his boots. Olly Watkins is pretty good but he’s 28 now so will only have 2-3 good years left.
What we do need is a proactive manager and a master tactician that will take us to the next level.
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England
Jul 14, 2024 21:48:50 GMT
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Post by jordan2009 on Jul 14, 2024 21:48:50 GMT
I've not watched the interviews. I do hope he's said that he's done though after this tournament. I'll be gutted if he isn't. English managers just aren't good enough tactically or brave enough.its criminal that we have had someone so defensively minded in charge of such a good group of attacking players. The setup and system as made most players look unrecognisable from their club form.
They should be on the phone testing the water for Klopp. Failing that Poch or Bielsa
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 14, 2024 21:49:05 GMT
I’ve always said I’d love England to win something but Stoke are my bread and butter…UTP🔴⚪️ You'll never see either win anything, I'm afraid. Well I'm 35 and I've seen Stoke win the Autoglass trophy two times so that puts your theory to bed doesn't it.
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Jul 14, 2024 21:49:05 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 21:49:05 GMT
At the end of a disappointing evening what I would say is that as a country at the moment we’re in a very good place with some excellent young players coming through that should see us through the next 4 tournaments at least. Some will get better and some will drop off to be replaced by better. The only thing missing is a world class striker to replace Kane when he hangs up his boots. Olly Watkins is pretty good but he’s 28 now so will only have 2-3 good years left. What we do need is a proactive manager and a master tactician that will take us to the next level. Yup But who?
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Jul 14, 2024 21:49:40 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 21:49:40 GMT
Nixon just said Bielsa or that Colombian manager who is playing top quality stuff at the moment. Those are the areas we should be looking. But we all know it will be some boring English guy and the cycle will rinse and repeat We went down the trendy foreigners route with Capello and Sven and they managed to make us even worse. The England job is for an Englishman. Neither of them were known for creative football really and the team they had is completely opposite to this squad. Players like Foden, Palmer, Jude, Saka, Mainno, Wharton, Rice etc aren't your stereotypical English players. They are full of flair and technique...perfect for a foreign manager
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jul 14, 2024 21:49:44 GMT
We need a world class manager. We haven’t had one in a long time.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 14, 2024 21:50:47 GMT
Good effort, best side ultimately won and we can have no complaints.
Honestly thought when we'd scored that we could kick on and get the ascendency but the opposite happened and Spain stepped up a gear.
Southgate should step down now.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 14, 2024 21:51:05 GMT
At the end of a disappointing evening what I would say is that as a country at the moment we’re in a very good place with some excellent young players coming through that should see us through the next 4 tournaments at least. Some will get better and some will drop off to be replaced by better. The only thing missing is a world class striker to replace Kane when he hangs up his boots. Olly Watkins is pretty good but he’s 28 now so will only have 2-3 good years left. What we do need is a proactive manager and a master tactician that will take us to the next level. Cobham can’t see past it being Eddie Howe it’s the profile the fa want
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Post by lordb on Jul 14, 2024 21:51:06 GMT
We went down the trendy foreigners route with Capello and Sven and they managed to make us even worse. The England job is for an Englishman. Neither of them were known for creative football really and the team they had is completely opposite to this squad. Players like Foden, Palmer, Jude, Saka, Mainno, Wharton, Rice etc aren't your stereotypical English players. They are full of flair and technique...perfect for a foreign manager Which one?
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Jul 14, 2024 21:51:11 GMT
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 14, 2024 21:51:11 GMT
At the end of a disappointing evening what I would say is that as a country at the moment we’re in a very good place with some excellent young players coming through that should see us through the next 4 tournaments at least. Some will get better and some will drop off to be replaced by better. The only thing missing is a world class striker to replace Kane when he hangs up his boots. Olly Watkins is pretty good but he’s 28 now so will only have 2-3 good years left. What we do need is a proactive manager and a master tactician that will take us to the next level. Yup But who? That's the million dollar question Lord
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 14, 2024 21:51:12 GMT
Highest paid manager in international football with arguably the world's best squad at his disposal. Get him gone Nowhere near the world's best squad. I'll wager that half that Spanish team were unknown to lots of people yet they were comfortably better than us. We focus a little too much on the managers all the time when the reality is our players are not as good as we hype them up to be, tactically, technically or mentally and because of the amount and style of football we play they're quite often knackered when tournaments come around.
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Post by Han Solo on Jul 14, 2024 21:51:31 GMT
Id go for Graham Potter if we’re after an English manager.
Had a tough time at Chelsea but he’s the forward thinking sort of manager that could do well.
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Jul 14, 2024 21:51:36 GMT
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 14, 2024 21:51:36 GMT
Ancelotti would be amazing. He’s cool as fuck and a legend
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Jul 14, 2024 21:51:55 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 14, 2024 21:51:55 GMT
I think the Premiership has conditioned/seduced us to be cautious. Keep possession, take your time , play it steady from the back. Play it safe . Spain were more positive, more speculative, more creative and quicker. Perhaps we are over coached in this football industry that we've bought onto.
Having said that Spain were the best team in the tournament and we didn't do too badly. For me Pickford was our mom.
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Jul 14, 2024 21:52:09 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe89 on Jul 14, 2024 21:52:09 GMT
Neither of them were known for creative football really and the team they had is completely opposite to this squad. Players like Foden, Palmer, Jude, Saka, Mainno, Wharton, Rice etc aren't your stereotypical English players. They are full of flair and technique...perfect for a foreign manager Which one? That's the problem. There's plenty of them out there. The FA just got to be creative and look outside the box. But they won't. Either Southgate keeps or it goes to Carsley.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 14, 2024 21:53:39 GMT
Spain the better team. We did ok but constantly sitting back when we shouldn't does my fucking nut in. Gareth has done some great stuff IMO, massively underrated in some ways. But this tournament was lots of unforgivable decisions so he's gotta go for me. Yes they were but Everyman and his dog knew our lineup, we gave them very little to think about prior to KO. At 1-1 I thought we’d go for it but … Yeah I thought he'd finally go for it too... Foden+Bellingham central is worth a try IMO, if they clicked it would he mint. But Spain realised they only had to worry about Saka as a pacy outlet and could use the rest of their players to compress us. Also someone fucked up and didn't shape the defence properly when Saka was pushed up. Sigh.
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