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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 10, 2024 21:43:52 GMT
This. Totally agree. The game is about 90 minutes plus. It's a very different game playing from the start compared to playing against tired defenders. Kane hindered us from the get go though. He was crap that first half and everything was done around him. He’s an absolute passenger. There was many times Bellingham was running right past him to engage the press how he just walked around. Surely he’s not working the way the team need it that’s the case. He shouldn’t be near a start on Sunday. Toney can start and do the work starting if anyone thinks it makes a difference, but either of Toney or Watkins will do a better job than Kane has done all tournament. There’s no way he’s close to fit yet still keeps getting picked.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2024 21:43:59 GMT
It was ok. I actually sort of celebrated that goal which is better than usual for me with England. Much better performance overall though. But Harry Kane just needs to fuck off. Scored the peno but yeah okay..... Let’s just wheel him on like a special teams player. He was awful. Footballers should score penalties, to quote Roy Keane, it’s their job and tbh it’s about the only bit of football I find easy. 🤣
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2024 21:44:10 GMT
And still call Southgate a useless cunt If we win it mate he's our useless cunt 😉 Never 🤣
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Post by delilahwhy on Jul 10, 2024 21:44:43 GMT
If you can't enjoy tonight then football isn't for you.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 10, 2024 21:44:47 GMT
It was ok. I actually sort of celebrated that goal which is better than usual for me with England. Much better performance overall though. But Harry Kane just needs to fuck off. Scored the peno but yeah okay..... We have loads of players who can score a penalty, shown by 5 players scoring in a shoot out he wasn’t there for. If scoring the penalty is all he offers then he shouldn’t even be in the squad.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 10, 2024 21:45:36 GMT
Can we have a proper match day thread for the Final?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2024 21:45:52 GMT
Palmer must start against the Spaniards. You know that I know that you know that I know we both know he'll play exactly the same side again. Tbf the only one that should be dropped from the starting XI tonight is Kane. So would you play Foden or Palmer as a false 9? Tbh I would be well happy with that.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Jul 10, 2024 21:45:55 GMT
If you can't enjoy tonight then football isn't for you. Absolutely buzzing, that was a Watkins goal he scores so often for Villa. Mental to do it like that.
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Post by lordb on Jul 10, 2024 21:46:04 GMT
Would you start Watkins on Sunday and put Kane on the bench? No, not for me Spanish aren't as physical as the Dutch, and not fast either Kane might get more joy Be surprised if Kane plays the whole game
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Jul 10, 2024 21:46:08 GMT
It was ok. I actually sort of celebrated that goal which is better than usual for me with England. Much better performance overall though. But Harry Kane just needs to fuck off. Scored the peno but yeah okay..... Considering the miss against France in the last world cup it took balls to step up and take that tonight and he didn't let us down.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2024 21:46:42 GMT
If you can't enjoy tonight then football isn't for you. It was a very enjoyable game of football indeed.
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Post by raythesailor on Jul 10, 2024 21:48:29 GMT
Spain are the favourites and beating them is going to be VERY TOUGH.
We go into this game as underdogs.
Great. It Means we are going into this in the mindset we need to fight and win
After we have won it we can then argue about HOW THE HELL DID WE DO THAT.!!
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Post by werrington on Jul 10, 2024 21:50:44 GMT
Utter carnage in that stadium
Truly fuckin wonderful 🏴
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Post by silsdenstokie on Jul 10, 2024 21:51:00 GMT
Just got in, absolutely buzzing!
Best weve played all tourny
Never a penalty but who cares
All to do on sunday but you never know
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jul 10, 2024 21:51:19 GMT
Bring in Shaw, the only change for me. The subs have made the difference, no need to change that philosophy.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2024 21:54:18 GMT
Bring in Shaw, the only change for me. The subs have made the difference, no need to change that philosophy. Surely you should be trying to make it so you don’t need the subs to make a difference? Obviously it’s good they have and you will need them at some point but to rely on it? Seems daft.
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Post by adri2008 on Jul 10, 2024 21:54:36 GMT
I think you stick with Kane despite the fact hes clearly off the pace. Maybe even the entire team bar shaw? Better to have these pacey options coming off the bench
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Post by delilahwhy on Jul 10, 2024 21:55:22 GMT
Utter carnage in that stadium Truly fuckin wonderful 🏴 Soak it up mate. Soak it up.
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Post by canadianmoose on Jul 10, 2024 21:55:44 GMT
Please do me one thing tho England. Stop playing that fucking Neil Diamond song. The bloke isn't even English. And they aren't in Carolina. I hate that freaking yuppie song. But congratulations on reaching the final! Now finish the job! Sweet Caroline has absolutely nothing to do with North or South Carolina. Hilarious 😂
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 10, 2024 21:55:46 GMT
This. Totally agree. The game is about 90 minutes plus. It's a very different game playing from the start compared to playing against tired defenders. Kane hindered us from the get go though. He was crap that first half and everything was done around him. He’s an absolute passenger. First half England were scintillating and Kane was a huge part of that. Second half we got stifled by the Dutch and Kane tired. Watkins maybe could have come on ten minutes earlier but I still think Kane has a massive role to play in the final. It would be nuts to drop him unless there’s a serious injury/fatigue concern. Watkins or Toney to come on depending on what’s needed.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jul 10, 2024 21:56:53 GMT
Would you start Watkins on Sunday and put Kane on the bench? No, I don’t think I would. Spains defence is pretty good with quicker players, controlled Mbappe. Struggled with the more physical players. I think Toney would be the better option but Kane will get the nod. The challenge is how do we stop Rodri and Ruiz from dominating - we could potentially go without a striker and play palmer bit giving him the freedom to move and switch with Bellingham and Foden as the main forward. Saka to stay wide. Who would you go for BJR?
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 10, 2024 21:57:22 GMT
Bring in Shaw, the only change for me. The subs have made the difference, no need to change that philosophy. Surely you should be trying to make it so you don’t need the subs to make a difference? Obviously it’s good they have and you will need them at some point but to rely on it? Seems daft. Because it’s a squad game and we’ve now had three gruelling games (including two going into extra time) in nine days. Making use of the subs bench is absolutely key.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 10, 2024 21:58:17 GMT
Palmer must start against the Spaniards. instead of who? Foden, Bellingham, Mainoo, Saka all very important players for England. I think he works well as an impact sub. You need more than 11 players in these kind of games anyway. Foden
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2024 21:58:55 GMT
Kane hindered us from the get go though. He was crap that first half and everything was done around him. He’s an absolute passenger. First half England were scintillating and Kane was a huge part of that. Second half we got stifled by the Dutch and Kane tired. Watkins maybe could have come on ten minutes earlier but I still think Kane has a massive role to play in the final. It would be nuts to drop him unless there’s a serious injury/fatigue concern. Watkins or Toney to come on depending on what’s needed. He barely fucking moved. It was like playing with a broken leg hanging on by a thread. He was diabolical.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jul 10, 2024 21:59:36 GMT
List all the more successful England managers No one remembers the runners up ! You know full well there's only one successful England manager unfortunately it’s from 60 yrs ago. Until Southgate actually wins something you can't label him successful. You will be able to by midnight on Sunday
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 10, 2024 21:59:52 GMT
Surely you should be trying to make it so you don’t need the subs to make a difference? Obviously it’s good they have and you will need them at some point but to rely on it? Seems daft. Because it’s a squad game and we’ve now had three gruelling games (including two going into extra time) in nine days. Making use of the subs bench is absolutely key. Of course it is. But there are some clear pretty big issues and because it’s Harry Kane shaped no one seems to have the minerals to want to solve it.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 10, 2024 22:02:12 GMT
First half England were scintillating and Kane was a huge part of that. Second half we got stifled by the Dutch and Kane tired. Watkins maybe could have come on ten minutes earlier but I still think Kane has a massive role to play in the final. It would be nuts to drop him unless there’s a serious injury/fatigue concern. Watkins or Toney to come on depending on what’s needed. He barely fucking moved. It was like playing with a broken leg hanging on by a thread. He was diabolical. I wonder what you’re watching sometimes. He was the perfect target man and created space for the likes of Foden and Saka to exploit. He won and scored a fine penalty. Isn’t one of your criticisms of Kane that he keeps dropping into midfield and getting in the way? So now he stays up top and you’re still not happy?
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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 10, 2024 22:03:00 GMT
instead of who? Foden, Bellingham, Mainoo, Saka all very important players for England. I think he works well as an impact sub. You need more than 11 players in these kind of games anyway. Foden Foden was unplayable in the first half. He was immense. You’d seriously drop him?
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Post by mickstupp on Jul 10, 2024 22:03:06 GMT
Because it’s a squad game and we’ve now had three gruelling games (including two going into extra time) in nine days. Making use of the subs bench is absolutely key. Of course it is. But there are some clear pretty big issues and because it’s Harry Kane shaped no one seems to have the minerals to want to solve it. Kane played well in the first half today. Joint top scorer in the tournament now and with an opportunity of winning the golden boot.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 10, 2024 22:03:48 GMT
instead of who? Foden, Bellingham, Mainoo, Saka all very important players for England. I think he works well as an impact sub. You need more than 11 players in these kind of games anyway. Foden I think Foden is a fantastic player but I also think that Palmer is world class. He's on another level.
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