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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jun 27, 2024 12:39:18 GMT
We could possibly win the Euros against these teams: R16 - Slovakia QF - Switzerland SF - Romania Final - Georgia ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) Who cares if we cant beat the BIG teams - we might not have to!! It always boils my piss when alot of people say You've got to beat the best teams to win it ,I've always argued that you really don't have to ,a lucky draw and abit of luck along the way and hey presto you're there.. I wonder if some of the English fans who moan that we had an easy route and didnt deserve it (See J-Roar above), if they refuse to celebrate when we lift the trophy? Like others said before Stoke had an easy route to the FA Cup final lets be honest, but IF we had won we wouldnt be saying "well we didnt really deserve." Its just a ridiculous argument. From now Im supporting Goergia in the other side of the draw!!
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Jun 27, 2024 12:41:26 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2024 12:41:26 GMT
I think it’s possible we have fooled ourselves into believing that just because we have the most competitive league in the world we also have best players. We do have the best players. If you added up the value of each of the squad's competing at the tournament, I'd be amazed if any other nation comes anywhere near the value of England's.
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Jun 27, 2024 12:46:03 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2024 12:46:03 GMT
Its a good point and Im hoping that Southgate cautious defensive approach will work better in the knock-out stages where most games are won by the single goal or so. We are shit to watch and Im not happy with the tactics, but we have an easy route to the final and we havent really had many goals scored against us. Everything will be forgiven if we win every game 1-0 to win the Euros. Heres hoping And generally the abuse for Southgate has definitely gone a bit overboard I'm a big fan of Foden and believe he's a key part to us winning anything, but him leaving and likely missing Sunday fixes an issue that Southgate has made himself. Trent in midfield doesn't work. Gallagher just isn't very good at this level. Mainoo and Palmer are a breathe of fresh air, and both strike me as players who won't shrink under the spotlight. So where are you suggesting Palmer should play?
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 27, 2024 12:48:22 GMT
It always boils my piss when alot of people say You've got to beat the best teams to win it ,I've always argued that you really don't have to ,a lucky draw and abit of luck along the way and hey presto you're there.. I wonder if some of the English fans who moan that we had an easy route and didnt deserve it (See J-Roar above), if they refuse to celebrate when we lift the trophy? Like others said before Stoke had an easy route to the FA Cup final lets be honest, but IF we had won we wouldnt be saying "well we didnt really deserve." Its just a ridiculous argument. From now Im supporting Goergia in the other side of the draw!! Take the draw and get on with it If you get an easier route on paper, all the better If they can hit form is there for them to reach the finals/semi Man City were close to going out V Notts Country was it the year they beat us in the cup? Last thing that matters if you win it but the other teams will be thinking the same
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 27, 2024 12:55:10 GMT
It always boils my piss when alot of people say You've got to beat the best teams to win it ,I've always argued that you really don't have to ,a lucky draw and abit of luck along the way and hey presto you're there.. I wonder if some of the English fans who moan that we had an easy route and didnt deserve it (See J-Roar above), if they refuse to celebrate when we lift the trophy? Like others said before Stoke had an easy route to the FA Cup final lets be honest, but IF we had won we wouldnt be saying "well we didnt really deserve." Its just a ridiculous argument. From now Im supporting Goergia in the other side of the draw!! It's part of the bollox when England do something good it has to be belittled. At the 2008 Euros Croatia were brilliant. With a leveller head they could've lifted Henri. September after we played them in Zagreb and thrashed them 4-1. Afterwards some labelled Croatia a pub team! Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic.. a pub team!! 😁😁. As far back as 1966. Argentina and Portugal were really good teams and highly fancied. Quarter and semifinals we beat both of them in 90 minutes. BUT we only lifted Jules because we were at Wembo!
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 27, 2024 13:03:03 GMT
I wonder if some of the English fans who moan that we had an easy route and didnt deserve it (See J-Roar above), if they refuse to celebrate when we lift the trophy? Like others said before Stoke had an easy route to the FA Cup final lets be honest, but IF we had won we wouldnt be saying "well we didnt really deserve." Its just a ridiculous argument. From now Im supporting Goergia in the other side of the draw!! It's part of the bollox when England do something good it has to be belittled. At the 2008 Euros Croatia were brilliant. With a leveller head they could've lifted Henri. September after we played them in Zagreb and thrashed them 4-1. Afterwards some labelled Croatia a pub team! Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic.. a pub team!! 😁😁. As far back as 1966. Argentina and Portugal were really good teams and highly fancied. Quarter and semifinals we beat both of them in 90 minutes. BUT we only lifted Jules because we were at Wembo! Rattin was sent off for talking to the ref which he was allowed to do under FIFA regulations, the ref said he was unaware of that rule , , Bobby Moore deliberately handled a through ball to Eusebio late on at 2-1 and didn't even get booked ...scandalous decisions. They changed the semi final venue. My unbiased take of course. As for that lino The whole tournament should have been replayed in a neutral venue
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2024 13:26:54 GMT
I think it’s possible we have fooled ourselves into believing that just because we have the most competitive league in the world we also have best players. We do have the best players. If you added up the value of each of the squad's competing at the tournament, I'd be amazed if any other nation comes anywhere near the value of England's. France will I'd argue overall their squad is better than ours too like England they have been hugely dissapointing so far
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 27, 2024 13:39:09 GMT
It's part of the bollox when England do something good it has to be belittled. At the 2008 Euros Croatia were brilliant. With a leveller head they could've lifted Henri. September after we played them in Zagreb and thrashed them 4-1. Afterwards some labelled Croatia a pub team! Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic.. a pub team!! 😁😁. As far back as 1966. Argentina and Portugal were really good teams and highly fancied. Quarter and semifinals we beat both of them in 90 minutes. BUT we only lifted Jules because we were at Wembo! Rattin was sent off for talking to the ref which he was allowed to do under FIFA regulations, the ref said he was unaware of that rule , , Bobby Moore deliberately handled a through ball to Eusebio late on at 2-1 and didn't even get booked ...scandalous decisions. They changed the semi final venue. My unbiased take of course. As for that lino The whole tournament should have been replayed in a neutral venue It was 3 feet behind the line and you know it
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 27, 2024 13:41:39 GMT
Rattin was sent off for talking to the ref which he was allowed to do under FIFA regulations, the ref said he was unaware of that rule , , Bobby Moore deliberately handled a through ball to Eusebio late on at 2-1 and didn't even get booked ...scandalous decisions. They changed the semi final venue. My unbiased take of course. As for that lino The whole tournament should have been replayed in a neutral venue It was 3 feet behind the line and you know it Not even close One of those wonky lines that you saw in paintings on the Vision On gallery They had The Queen doing VAR that day my bet
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Jun 27, 2024 13:42:45 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 27, 2024 13:42:45 GMT
It was 3 feet behind the line and you know it Not even close Same as Bono drawing the lots in 1990. 😉 One of those wonky lines that you saw in paintings on the Vision On gallery They had The Queen doing VAR that day my bet
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Post by jesusmcmuffin on Jun 27, 2024 13:46:00 GMT
Not even close Same as Bono drawing the lots in 1990. 😉 One of those wonky lines that you saw in paintings on the Vision On gallery They had The Queen doing VAR that day my bet Be realistic Bono would still be doing a speech about it and the draw still be ongoing Archie McPherson would be getting restless describing the events of the day
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Post by mr on Jun 27, 2024 13:53:52 GMT
We do have the best players. If you added up the value of each of the squad's competing at the tournament, I'd be amazed if any other nation comes anywhere near the value of England's. France will I'd argue overall their squad is better than ours too like England they have been hugely dissapointing so far France starting 11 valued at €702 million England starting 11 valued at €882 million. Bearing in mind the England defence is pretty old and not worth much it’s a sizeable gap.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 27, 2024 13:59:31 GMT
I think it’s possible we have fooled ourselves into believing that just because we have the most competitive league in the world we also have best players. We do have the best players. If you added up the value of each of the squad's competing at the tournament, I'd be amazed if any other nation comes anywhere near the value of England's. You are talking about the price of our players which has nothing to do with the value.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2024 14:48:16 GMT
We do have the best players. If you added up the value of each of the squad's competing at the tournament, I'd be amazed if any other nation comes anywhere near the value of England's. You are talking about the price of our players which has nothing to do with the value. Of course it does. How do you think Man Citeh, Liverpool and Arsenal finish in and around the top three of the Premiership each season, when invariably the promoted sides are the ones most likely to go down? Because the teams at the top can afford to buy the best (most expensive) players and the teams at the bottom can't.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 27, 2024 14:51:25 GMT
Be realistic Bono would still be doing a speech about it and the draw still be ongoing Archie McPherson would be getting restless describing the events of the day Val Doonican then
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Post by lordb on Jun 27, 2024 14:56:17 GMT
France will I'd argue overall their squad is better than ours too like England they have been hugely dissapointing so far France starting 11 valued at €702 million England starting 11 valued at €882 million. Bearing in mind the England defence is pretty old and not worth much it’s a sizeable gap. Is that the game Mbappe didn't start?
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jun 27, 2024 14:56:27 GMT
I'm a big fan of Foden and believe he's a key part to us winning anything, but him leaving and likely missing Sunday fixes an issue that Southgate has made himself. Trent in midfield doesn't work. Gallagher just isn't very good at this level. Mainoo and Palmer are a breathe of fresh air, and both strike me as players who won't shrink under the spotlight. So where are you suggesting Palmer should play? Good question! It might be a bit of a bold move, but I don't think Saka has done anywhere near enough so far - so I'd either move him to somewhere else or drop him all together. When I watched Palmer on Tuesday, I couldn't help but think that this lad has to play every minute moving forward.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 27, 2024 15:02:03 GMT
You are talking about the price of our players which has nothing to do with the value. Of course it does. How do you think Man Citeh, Liverpool and Arsenal finish in and around the top three of the Premiership each season, when invariably the promoted sides are the ones most likely to go down? Because the teams at the top can afford to buy the best (most expensive) players and the teams at the bottom can't. Lots of things, including footballers, are over priced for all sorts of reasons and English players in the PL are right up there.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2024 15:59:04 GMT
Of course it does. How do you think Man Citeh, Liverpool and Arsenal finish in and around the top three of the Premiership each season, when invariably the promoted sides are the ones most likely to go down? Because the teams at the top can afford to buy the best (most expensive) players and the teams at the bottom can't. Lots of things, including footballers, are over priced for all sorts of reasons and English players in the PL are right up there. That maybe but we have got the best squad at the tournament.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2024 16:06:27 GMT
So where are you suggesting Palmer should play? Good question! It might be a bit of a bold move, but I don't think Saka has done anywhere near enough so far - so I'd either move him to somewhere else or drop him all together. When I watched Palmer on Tuesday, I couldn't help but think that this lad has to play every minute moving forward. You see I don't think we remotely need to play with two holding midfielders against Slovakia, they are going to put 11 men behind the ball and keep it extremely tight. If Foden isn't going to be available, then Southate simply has to push Bellingham back (at least a little) play Palmer as the ten and then put either Eze or Gordon on the left. It's so blindingly obvious it's frightening. Both the draw and the Foden situation, has made it so incredibly simple for the manager. The ONLY question for me, is whether Watkins or Kane should lead the line.
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Post by Veritas on Jun 27, 2024 16:07:57 GMT
Lots of things, including footballers, are over priced for all sorts of reasons and English players in the PL are right up there. That maybe but we have got the best squad at the tournament. Some of the best players undoubtedly but the best squad no way.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2024 16:11:21 GMT
That maybe but we have got the best squad at the tournament. Some of the best players undoubtedly but the best squad no way. I'm not really sure what we're even arguing about anymore. We have the best squad to enable us to put out the best starting XI at the tournament. If you don't agree, that's absolutely fine.
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 27, 2024 16:15:21 GMT
So where are you suggesting Palmer should play? Good question! It might be a bit of a bold move, but I don't think Saka has done anywhere near enough so far - so I'd either move him to somewhere else or drop him all together. When I watched Palmer on Tuesday, I couldn't help but think that this lad has to play every minute moving forward. I’m a big fan of Saka but it’s blindingly obvious Palmer should be playing instead of him atm 🏴
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 27, 2024 16:19:39 GMT
It's part of the bollox when England do something good it has to be belittled. At the 2008 Euros Croatia were brilliant. With a leveller head they could've lifted Henri. September after we played them in Zagreb and thrashed them 4-1. Afterwards some labelled Croatia a pub team! Modric, Rakitic, Mandzukic.. a pub team!! 😁😁. As far back as 1966. Argentina and Portugal were really good teams and highly fancied. Quarter and semifinals we beat both of them in 90 minutes. BUT we only lifted Jules because we were at Wembo! Rattin was sent off for talking to the ref which he was allowed to do under FIFA regulations, the ref said he was unaware of that rule , , Bobby Moore deliberately handled a through ball to Eusebio late on at 2-1 and didn't even get booked ...scandalous decisions. They changed the semi final venue. My unbiased take of course. As for that lino The whole tournament should have been replayed in a neutral venue Are you a Scotsman?
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Post by AlliG on Jun 27, 2024 16:21:10 GMT
It was 3 feet behind the line and you know it Not even close One of those wonky lines that you saw in paintings on the Vision On gallery They had The Queen doing VAR that day my bet VAR would have disallowed West Germany's equaliser for handball, so with VAR the game wouldn't have even gone to extra-time. As for Bobby Moore not being booked for deliberate handball, no one used to get booked for deliberate handball in those days. Bookings were pretty rare in those days for anything. (Peter Dobing got an 8 week ban for picking up 3 bookings in 1970)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 27, 2024 16:23:04 GMT
Good question! It might be a bit of a bold move, but I don't think Saka has done anywhere near enough so far - so I'd either move him to somewhere else or drop him all together. When I watched Palmer on Tuesday, I couldn't help but think that this lad has to play every minute moving forward. I’m a big fan of Saka but it’s blindingly obvious Palmer should be playing instead of him atm 🏴 Palmer's best position is as a 10.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 27, 2024 16:27:18 GMT
The strength of the squad is important, "you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear".
But I'm always reminded of Ramsay saying when asked about his team selections: "I don't necessarily pick the best players, I pick the best team".
Clough was repeatedly successful at Derby and Forest winning the League and European Cup with some very average players but superb teamwork. He always used to talk about balance in a team which I take to mean that players need to complement each other and create synergy.
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Post by bertiestan on Jun 27, 2024 16:31:26 GMT
I’m a big fan of Saka but it’s blindingly obvious Palmer should be playing instead of him atm 🏴 Palmer's best position is as a 10. Ok🏴
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 27, 2024 16:33:14 GMT
Good question! It might be a bit of a bold move, but I don't think Saka has done anywhere near enough so far - so I'd either move him to somewhere else or drop him all together. When I watched Palmer on Tuesday, I couldn't help but think that this lad has to play every minute moving forward. You see I don't think we remotely need to play with two holding midfielders against Slovakia, they are going to put 11 men behind the ball and keep it extremely tight. If Foden isn't going to be available, then Southate simply has to push Bellingham back (at least a little) play Palmer as the ten and then put either Eze or Gordon on the left. It's so blindingly obvious it's frightening. Both the draw and the Foden situation, has made it so incredibly simple for the manager. The ONLY question for me, is whether Watkins or Kane should lead the line. Bellingham has the mobility and brainpower to play deeper but support the forwards effectively. He hasn't gone from an all time great to shit in a week however fickle we all are 😁 Kane leads the line. If we got knocked out without him playing it'd be like when Taylor subbed Lineker.
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Post by mr on Jun 27, 2024 16:51:54 GMT
France starting 11 valued at €702 million England starting 11 valued at €882 million. Bearing in mind the England defence is pretty old and not worth much it’s a sizeable gap. Is that the game Mbappe didn't start? No. Those figures are from the last game.
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